Nice F$%^ing Mouths In Public!

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: aircooled
They need to learn when it's appropriate. Some times/places it's OK. but in the middle of Denny's it's not. Ornery using %^$%$& marks in his title is appropriate.

When i type the word "fvck", your mind doesnt read it as "ph-vee-ck." It reads it as "ph-uh-ck." Regardless of how its spelled, your mind interprets it as the same word.

Ornery typing "F$%^ing" is no different. Are you honestly trying to tell me that seeing "F***ing" left any ambiguity in your mind as to what the masked word was? That your mind didnt instantly fill in the missing letters?

The whole point of masking a word is to let everyone know what word you want to use without using it. So, by all accounts, it shouldnt be treated any differently than actually saying the word. Ornery is just a small, hypocritical, ignorant person. And so is anyone who actually agrees with his twisted logic, aircooled.

It's appropriate here because Ornery knows the average type of person at ATOT (unlike you). And he knows that typing "F$%^ing" is not going to offend at leat 90% of the folks posting at ATOT.

If thats the case, then 90% of ATOT has a very warped sense of what is and is not acceptable. Since nowhere near 90% of ATOT has responded to this thread, i'll just assume that youre speaking for yourself, and not jump on the bandwagon by trying to drag other people to my side.

But thats besides the point. Whether or not it offends anyone is not the point i was trying to make - but that he uses the very word that he derides others for using. IMO, that kind of ignorance is more offensive than any single word could ever be.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said, go ahead and live your life that way. Never watch what you say in front of anyone, especially your bosses or business contacts. See how far you get in life.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, society has social norms. If you decide not to follow them, do NOT whine when no one will let you play their reindeer games.

I never said i dont watch what i say. Drawing conclusions like that isnt a very healthy character trait, Amused.

Business is different. Certain mannerisms are simply expected. Just as when writing a scholarly paper, a certain level of language is expected. I'm sure you dont always enjoy dressing up in a suit, but sometimes its simply required. Yet when that when the occassion for that suit is over, you take it off.

Society does have its social norms, but that doesnt make them logical or correct. Its people like you who perpetuate the bizarre standards in which we are forced to live.

Let me get this straight, you accept the social norms when they pertain to business, yet not for the rest of society? Business IS society. Society IS business. Both have accepted and expected behavior, and both will spit you out if you refuse to adhere to certain rules.

And I drew no conclusions. I simply gave advice. I advised you to follow your unrealistic idealisms to see how far you got in life with them. That's all.

You can spend your life bitching about what is and acting like a trout swimming upstream or you can accept what is and learn to function within the norms society has set. It's up to you.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Kilgor

This is what happens when parents don't raise their kid?s right. It's not about tradition it's about respecting other people?s right not to be bothered by rude rice boys and their little pierced sluts. You wouldn?t blow smoke in someone?s face why would you crap in their ears. The right to act like an Idiot ends when you leave your house and enter society.

Blowing smoke in someones face causes a physical, uncontrollable reaction. Smoke and your respiratory system simply dont go together.

Speaking a certain word causes no physical reaction. It doesnt cause you to cough, or convulse, or start bleeding from the ears. The only reaction it does cause is a psychological one. And that reaction is a direct result of your parents raising you to believe that certain words are simply "bad," for no legitimate reason.

Language evolves; societies "norms" evolve. Your statement of "...rude rice boys and their pierced sluts" is the same hypocrtical type of thing that your parents probably said of your generation. And their parents, and theirs. On it goes, the previous generation always confident that society is turning into more and more of a cesspool, and that things were better back in "their day."

It's blind ignorance - there's no other term to describe it.

Hell, I'm 19 and I think my generation is turning into more and more of a cesspool. You are correct though, simply saying vulgar things (doesn't have to be swear words, people can be extremely creative) will not cause you to bleed from you ears etc, and the negative reaction is all psychological. Even so, you must still respect that. You can't tell me that psychological events do no harm. While you may physically still be in tact, damage is still being done. (Not so much with the swearing, just getting my point across)

 

[aircooled]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: aircooled
They need to learn when it's appropriate. Some times/places it's OK. but in the middle of Denny's it's not. Ornery using %^$%$& marks in his title is appropriate.

When i type the word "fvck", your mind doesnt read it as "ph-vee-ck." It reads it as "ph-uh-ck." Regardless of how its spelled, your mind interprets it as the same word.

Ornery typing "F$%^ing" is no different. Are you honestly trying to tell me that seeing "F***ing" left any ambiguity in your mind as to what the masked word was? That your mind didnt instantly fill in the missing letters?

The whole point of masking a word is to let everyone know what word you want to use without using it. So, by all accounts, it shouldnt be treated any differently than actually saying the word. Ornery is just a small, hypocritical, ignorant person. And so is anyone who actually agrees with his twisted logic, aircooled.

It's appropriate here because Ornery knows the average type of person at ATOT (unlike you). And he knows that typing "F$%^ing" is not going to offend at leat 90% of the folks posting at ATOT.

If thats the case, then 90% of ATOT has a very warped sense of what is and is not acceptable. Since nowhere near 90% of ATOT has responded to this thread, i'll just assume that youre speaking for yourself, and not jump on the bandwagon by trying to drag other people to my side.

But thats besides the point. Whether or not it offends anyone is not the point i was trying to make - but that he uses the very word that he derides others for using. IMO, that kind of ignorance is more offensive than any single word could ever be.

The original post is concerned about where the words were said, not just what words were said.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: Amused
Let me get this straight, you accept the social norms when they pertain to business, yet not for the rest of society? Business IS society. Society IS business. Both have accepted and expected behavior, and both will spit you out if you refuse to adhere to certain rules.

And I drew no conclusions. I simply gave advice. I advised you to follow your unrealistic idealisms to see how far you got in life with them. That's all.

You can spend your life bitching about what is and acting like a trout swimming upstream or you can accept what is and learn to function within the norms society has set. It's up to you.

I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life. Thats not to say i'm some grand advocate of the non-conformist (which in itself is bizarre, but i digress) - there are many "norms" that ive simply come to accept and not think twice about. Yet there are some, such as this profanity taboo, that just make too little sense to apathetically accept.

Anyway, im not sure what society you belong to, but mine does not judge me by the medium in which i transport my thoughts - only for the thoughts themselves. If i happen to use a few words in a conversation that someone else might not use, the people i surround myself would not think any less of me for it. Unfortunately, it sounds as though you are not lucky enough to have such friends. If you are truly judged based on the structure of your speech and not the content, i pity you.

Business, however, is an exception. I have to meet and chat with people i've never set eyes on before. For all i know, i could be talking to someone as close-minded as yourself, who would judge me instantly because i used a certain word which he deems uncouth. To be successful, and to advance myself, exceptions must be made. But to live within those exceptions is foolish, and tantamount to pissing your life away by living within someone elses rules and expectations.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: aircooled

The original post is concerned about where the words were said, not just what words were said.

I see. So saying "fvck" is much more offensive in a resteraunt with perhaps 50 patrons, than on a message board with 20,000?

Yes, thank you, im beginning to understand your logic.

 

[aircooled]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: aircooled

The original post is concerned about where the words were said, not just what words were said.

I see. So saying "fvck" is much more offensive in a resteraunt with perhaps 50 patrons, than on a message board with 20,000?

Yes, thank you, im beginning to understand your logic.

Yes that is correct. Saying "Fvck" on a message board full of younger tech folks where the word has been used countless times is much more appropriate that sitting in Denny's with people who's personality you don't know.
Fun playing with you.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Amused
Let me get this straight, you accept the social norms when they pertain to business, yet not for the rest of society? Business IS society. Society IS business. Both have accepted and expected behavior, and both will spit you out if you refuse to adhere to certain rules.

And I drew no conclusions. I simply gave advice. I advised you to follow your unrealistic idealisms to see how far you got in life with them. That's all.

You can spend your life bitching about what is and acting like a trout swimming upstream or you can accept what is and learn to function within the norms society has set. It's up to you.

I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life. Thats not to say i'm some grand advocate of the non-conformist (which in itself is bizarre, but i digress) - there are many "norms" that ive simply come to accept and not think twice about. Yet there are some, such as this profanity taboo, that just make too little sense to apathetically accept.

Anyway, im not sure what society you belong to, but mine does not judge me by the medium in which i transport my thoughts - only for the thoughts themselves. If i happen to use a few words in a conversation that someone else might not use, the people i surround myself would not think any less of me for it. Unfortunately, it sounds as though you are not lucky enough to have such friends. If you are truly judged based on the structure of your speech and not the content, i pity you.

Business, however, is an exception. I have to meet and chat with people i've never set eyes on before. For all i know, i could be talking to someone as close-minded as yourself, who would judge me instantly because i used a certain word which he deems uncouth. To be successful, and to advance myself, exceptions must be made. But to live within those exceptions is foolish, and tantamount to pissing your life away by living within someone elses rules and expectations.

Woah now. I never said I was Ned Flanders here. I simply replied to your rant about social norms and gave you a warning about what refusing to follow them would get you. But you've backpeddled now and admit you use them when appropriate. I also suppose you don't scream out cuss words in restaurants, am I correct? I'll also bet you don't stand next to a group of old ladies and cuss up a storm, right?

So you either accept social norms, or you don't have the courage of your convictions. Which is it?

Look, I spent a few years in the Army Infantry. I'm not the saint/prude you seem to have me figured for. I'm only sharing with you what I have learned about social norms, and that not following them WILL harm your opportunities in life.

 

[AgentBehemoth]

I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life.



So who's the hypochrite now?

 

[N8Magic]

I can't believe that some of you are trying to defend blatant unnecessary swearing in public.

If you want to sound like a truck driver, go ahead. Just don't expect people to treat you with respect when you run your mouth in public like that.

 

[XZeroII]

I went to a White Castles once and (not meant to be racist...) there were 4 black people at 4 different tables and they were all yelling to each other and their language was terrible (swears up the yin-yang). Why do people do that? I just got my food and left. If I hadn't paid already, I would have just left.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: Amused<
Woah now. I never said I was Ned Flanders here. I simply replied to your rant about social norms and gave you a warning about what refusing to follow them would get you. But you've backpeddled now and admit you use them when appropriate. I also suppose you don't scream out cuss words in restaurants, am I correct? I'll also bet you don't stand next to a group of old ladies and cuss up a storm, right?

So you either accept social norms, or you don't have the courage of your convictions. Which is it?

Look, I spent a few years in the Army Infantry. I'm not the saint/prude you seem to have me figured for. I'm only sharing with you what I have learned about social norms, and that not following them WILL harm your opportunities in life.

Backpeddle?

I said i accept societies "norms" when necessary so as to continue enjoying a successful life. In other words, in a business environment, my mannerisms are just as subdued as yours.

Within a strictly social environment, however, i do not bite my tongue. I certainly dont run around TRYING to offend people, but i wont restrict my speech when there's no need for it.

Certainly, i'd love to remain true to my convictions all the time, but id be working at a mcdonalds for the rest of my life. Thats not a reflection of my intelligence, but a reflection of the illogical connotations society has for certain words. That said, there's a fine balance between remaining true to ones self, and sacrificing some of that independence to further your long term goals.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth
I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life.



So who's the hypochrite now?

Jumping on the bandwagon half way through the discussion renders your "ME TOO!" statement irrelevant. Thanks for trying.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Hell, I'm 19 and I think my generation is turning into more and more of a cesspool. You are correct though, simply saying vulgar things (doesn't have to be swear words, people can be extremely creative) will not cause you to bleed from you ears etc, and the negative reaction is all psychological. Even so, you must still respect that. You can't tell me that psychological events do no harm. While you may physically still be in tact, damage is still being done. (Not so much with the swearing, just getting my point across)

Wouldnt it be easier to simply raise children without all these social rules on which words are permissible and which arent?

Without the double standard, the entire effect a person gets when they say a swear is void. There is nothing to react to when "fvck" is just another word.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Hell, I'm 19 and I think my generation is turning into more and more of a cesspool. You are correct though, simply saying vulgar things (doesn't have to be swear words, people can be extremely creative) will not cause you to bleed from you ears etc, and the negative reaction is all psychological. Even so, you must still respect that. You can't tell me that psychological events do no harm. While you may physically still be in tact, damage is still being done. (Not so much with the swearing, just getting my point across)

Wouldnt it be easier to simply raise children without all these social rules on which words are permissible and which arent?

Without the double standard, the entire effect a person gets when they say a swear is void. There is nothing to react to when "fvck" is just another word.

How about you graduate from highschool first and post back when you're 40 or so? Let us know if your feelings have changed when your kid tells you to "go f*** yourself, Dad, you f*****g c***s*****g f****t"

- M4H

 

[AgentBehemoth]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth
I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life.



So who's the hypochrite now?

Jumping on the bandwagon half way through the discussion renders your "ME TOO!" statement irrelevant. Thanks for trying.

Truth hurts, huh?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Amused<
Woah now. I never said I was Ned Flanders here. I simply replied to your rant about social norms and gave you a warning about what refusing to follow them would get you. But you've backpeddled now and admit you use them when appropriate. I also suppose you don't scream out cuss words in restaurants, am I correct? I'll also bet you don't stand next to a group of old ladies and cuss up a storm, right?

So you either accept social norms, or you don't have the courage of your convictions. Which is it?

Look, I spent a few years in the Army Infantry. I'm not the saint/prude you seem to have me figured for. I'm only sharing with you what I have learned about social norms, and that not following them WILL harm your opportunities in life.

Backpeddle?

I said i accept societies "norms" when necessary so as to continue enjoying a successful life. In other words, in a business environment, my mannerisms are just as subdued as yours.

Within a strictly social environment, however, i do not bite my tongue. I certainly dont run around TRYING to offend people, but i wont restrict my speech when there's no need for it.

Certainly, i'd love to remain true to my convictions all the time, but id be working at a mcdonalds for the rest of my life. Thats not a reflection of my intelligence, but a reflection of the illogical connotations society has for certain words. That said, there's a fine balance between remaining true to ones self, and sacrificing some of that independence to further your long term goals.

So let me get this straight. You cuss around your grandma? How about in the company of old ladies? How about in a nice resuaraunt? Near little kids?

I get the feeling your adherence to social norms goes much further than simply work.

Tell me, do you pick your nose in public? Or do you refrain from that? How do you dress?

You adhere to social norms more than you think. You'd like to think of yourself as some kind of free-thinking rebel, but you're not. Get over it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova
Hell, I'm 19 and I think my generation is turning into more and more of a cesspool. You are correct though, simply saying vulgar things (doesn't have to be swear words, people can be extremely creative) will not cause you to bleed from you ears etc, and the negative reaction is all psychological. Even so, you must still respect that. You can't tell me that psychological events do no harm. While you may physically still be in tact, damage is still being done. (Not so much with the swearing, just getting my point across)

Wouldnt it be easier to simply raise children without all these social rules on which words are permissible and which arent?

Without the double standard, the entire effect a person gets when they say a swear is void. There is nothing to react to when "fvck" is just another word.

How about you graduate from highschool first and post back when you're 40 or so? Let us know if your feelings have changed when your kid tells you to "go f*** yourself, Dad, you f*****g c***s*****g f****t"

- M4H

:Q

 

[pphysicsguy]

It's as if people don't realise at all what is appropriate and when it is appropriate. Just as I wouldn't say "What the fsck" to a professor, I wouldn't go into a restaurant and show off what a small-minded small-vocabulary moron I am.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth
I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life.



So who's the hypochrite now?

Jumping on the bandwagon half way through the discussion renders your "ME TOO!" statement irrelevant. Thanks for trying.

Truth hurts, huh?

Seeing you repeat what someone else said, and had refuted, doesnt cause me pain. It does, however, anguish me to see that you don't realize the humor of your own post. My heart aches for humanity.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth
I accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life.



So who's the hypochrite now?

Jumping on the bandwagon half way through the discussion renders your "ME TOO!" statement irrelevant. Thanks for trying.

Truth hurts, huh?

Seeing you repeat what someone else said, and had refuted, doesnt cause me pain. It does, however, anguish me to see that you don't realize the humor of your own post. My heart aches for humanity.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: Amused
So let me get this straight. You cuss around your grandma? How about in the company of old ladies? How about in a nice resuaraunt? Near little kids?

I get the feeling your adherence to social norms goes much further than simply work.

Tell me, do you pick your nose in public? Or do you refrain from that? How do you dress?

You adhere to social norms more than you think. You'd like to think of yourself as some kind of free-thinking rebel, but you're not. Get over it.

Perhaps if you actually read what ive been saying, instead of blindly following your own convictions, you wouldnt have missed this:

Originally posted by: PaperclipGodI accept social norms when theyre absolutely necessary for me to have a successful life. Thats not to say i'm some grand advocate of the non-conformist (which in itself is bizarre, but i digress) - there are many "norms" that ive simply come to accept and not think twice about. Yet there are some, such as this profanity taboo, that just make too little sense to apathetically accept.

Ironically, you even responded to that very post.

 

[AgentBehemoth]

No whats been pointed out quite clearly is that you're nothing but a punk wannabe poser. It's been shown that no matter how badly you've wanted to show your wit it's just not working.

You've refuted noone here so don't get the big head just yet.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
How about you graduate from highschool first and post back when you're 40 or so? Let us know if your feelings have changed when your kid tells you to "go f*** yourself, Dad, you f*****g c***s*****g f****t"

- M4H

An angry kid is going to let his feelings known whether or not he uses a swear. As it is, the only reason they use swears, is because they know it gets to you.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: AgentBehemoth
No whats been pointed out quite clearly is that you're nothing but a punk wannabe poser. It's been shown that no matter how badly you've wanted to show your wit it's just not working.

You've refuted noone here so don't get the big head just yet.

Agreed.