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[Hacp]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Hacp


I will send tracking tommorow as I think I can ship then?
You can def ship on saturdays, and he did not send tracking. WILL is a promise.

No no no....a promise would be:

"I will ship it tomorrow, I promise!"

To any sane person the line "I will send tracking tomorrow as I think I can ship it then" means that he thinks he will have the time to get to the PO and ship it and will do so if possible. Again...LIFE/WORK/Etc. Happens. He did not make a promise to ship it on Saturday. He basically said he'd try to ship in on Saturday.

You sir are taking this waaay too far and need to seriously reevaluate how you do business on here or anywhere else.

This is why I asked him in my first post about the shipping. I just had a feeling that the OP was blowing things out of proportion.

I was not blowing anything out of proportion. I did not have a huge problem with his shipping/scratches as I made it clear in the Heatware eval, but posted about it anyways for future traders. From his statement, I interpereted it as, I will ship tommorow if the Post Office allows me to. My eval was overall positive, as I did not expect the case that came with it, and the shuffle works fine.

What made me post this was his overall NEGATIVE response to my eval, which was truthfull. Again read my eval, and read his PM responding to my eval.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Here's how it breaks down:

You jumped the gun on leaving heat. He may have honestly not have seen those scratches. You have a right to be finnicky, however, you should have contacted him to try to rectify the problem prior to leaving heat.

Heat should be left only after both parties are satisfied. You obviously were not satisfied and made it known on your heat explanation. Regardless if you left a positive or not.

A good trader isn't defined as someone who "get's it right" 100% of the time. A good trader is defined as someone who "get's it right and if not does whatever is necessary to satisfy the other party."

Yes, the seller made an error selling you a scratched iPod. But you didn't even give him a chance.

About the shipping. No, no matter how you spin it, he did not promise you to ship it out on Saturday. You should have never even mentioned that in your heat eval. He sent it to you when? Monday? After you paid on a Friday? To me that's excellent shipping.

Next time, shoot the guy a PM and try to work it out. Leaving a posi-neutral eval without offering him an opportunity to make you happy is ridiculous.

That's like buying something from Best Buy having it crap out on you a day later and then vowing to never shop there again, EVEN THOUGH they'll exchange it out.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Since many of you wanted to ask, Here is pics of it in the morning with just the sunlight. Its really hard to see with the Digital Camera, but in real life, it is a little worse as the tiny scratches are way more visibile if you just turn it from left to right.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture008.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture004.jpg

Now he decided to be a biatch and left neutral heat for me, because of my heat response. What a tard.


My original Eval:
I gave Him Positive but left this comment
Grade: B
Said that when he looked at the player, it had no scratches, but it had alot. Doesn't matter to me much though. He included an Ipod case though, so that kinda made up for it (I have no use for the case )Also shipped a little late(2 days, I paid first). Everything else was Ok though, and I would def deal with him again if I got a good deal on an item, like I did for the shuffle(75 shipped which is awesome for 1GB model).



COmment after trade:

hi there


I'd like you to either edit your review at Heatware or agree to a refund. Where are these scratches? please send a picture as when i said i looked at it, i looked at it. If you are incredibly picky person, that is one thing; don't say in a public review. A scratch which isn't visible to your face when you hold it up means it doesn't have any scratches worth mentioning.

You have just sullied my name with utterly baseless claims; are you a 12 year old that you don't realize that is important to some people more than money?


Do you realize you just called me a liar on that public review?

What does it matter that it was a positive review when it says that?



Pic of Ipod Shuffle:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture.jpg

Btw, to those asking questions about the scratches, Here are all of the pms involving scratches, or talk of scratches. I do not want to emphasize the scratch part, what I'm asking is should I change my Eval to neutral? I posted saying I would deal with him again, but after these comments, I WOULD NOT want to deal with him again.



From the Seller:
THe unit is in good shape; just stared at it for 30 seconds and can't see any scratches

From Me

what condition is the shuffle in? How much scratches if any? Thanks.

Next time buy NEW.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I've decided to keep my X2 after 7 deals fell through for it!

you guys read his sig? how ironic.

btw, Hacp, you just made my DNT list. i just don't need the drama.



also, good luck trading here again, good traders around here know who to avoid.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: OdiN
...
You lack basic comprehension skills.

They locked the thread because it was inappropriate and uncalled for.

His "highly negative" PM was really not that harsh at all.

I still think the neutral was because of your LACK OF COMMUNICATION with him over this deal. You just started posting threads about him on here telling people to avoid him, posting crap in his heatware, etc. without even communicating to him about the problem first. That is your fatal mistake. If you at least talked about the issues with him and THEN still decided to post heat as you did...fine. He probably wouldn't be so upset with you.

I would trade with him...he seems very reasonable in that if a problem arose he seemed to have no problems with giving a refund or helping to resolve the problems.

I would not, however, trade with you after reading all of this.

I have mentioned his lack of comprehension skills to the OP before.
I know he's trying but he's so busy posting that he doesn't do enough reading.
Take a breath Hacp and learn the ropes.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: Hacp
Since many of you wanted to ask, Here is pics of it in the morning with just the sunlight. Its really hard to see with the Digital Camera, but in real life, it is a little worse as the tiny scratches are way more visibile if you just turn it from left to right.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture008.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture004.jpg

Now he decided to be a biatch and left neutral heat for me, because of my heat response. What a tard.


My original Eval:
I gave Him Positive but left this comment
Grade: B
Said that when he looked at the player, it had no scratches, but it had alot. Doesn't matter to me much though. He included an Ipod case though, so that kinda made up for it (I have no use for the case )Also shipped a little late(2 days, I paid first). Everything else was Ok though, and I would def deal with him again if I got a good deal on an item, like I did for the shuffle(75 shipped which is awesome for 1GB model).



COmment after trade:

hi there


I'd like you to either edit your review at Heatware or agree to a refund. Where are these scratches? please send a picture as when i said i looked at it, i looked at it. If you are incredibly picky person, that is one thing; don't say in a public review. A scratch which isn't visible to your face when you hold it up means it doesn't have any scratches worth mentioning.

You have just sullied my name with utterly baseless claims; are you a 12 year old that you don't realize that is important to some people more than money?


Do you realize you just called me a liar on that public review?

What does it matter that it was a positive review when it says that?



Pic of Ipod Shuffle:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture.jpg

Btw, to those asking questions about the scratches, Here are all of the pms involving scratches, or talk of scratches. I do not want to emphasize the scratch part, what I'm asking is should I change my Eval to neutral? I posted saying I would deal with him again, but after these comments, I WOULD NOT want to deal with him again.



From the Seller:
THe unit is in good shape; just stared at it for 30 seconds and can't see any scratches

From Me

what condition is the shuffle in? How much scratches if any? Thanks.

Next time buy NEW.

Exactly.
If you want new, pay for new.
There's nothing wrong with that Ipod.

Try a little communication next time.
If you're not happy, let the seller make it right.

You're picky and wrong, and the seller could use some work on his skills as well.

 

[waggy]

Some of you are being dicks over this to the OP.

He asked if there was scratches the seller said NO there was scratches.

while he could/should have messaged the seller about it the seller gave him false information about the product. The buyer still left a positive heat ware.

The seller then gets a spure up his rear and leaves a bad heatware over it.

Both are idiots.

This is not about buying new or such. Its about giving honest answerers to the question. when asked if there was scratches the seller should have stated there was from wear and tear. But the buyer should have contacted the seller asking why there was scratches when he claimed it didn't have any.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I've decided to keep my X2 after 7 deals fell through for it!

you guys read his sig? how ironic.

btw, Hacp, you just made my DNT list. i just don't need the drama.



also, good luck trading here again, good traders around here know who to avoid.

I have no Idea what you are talking about. How is that Ironic?

As for DNT, do whatever you want. Just keep it to yourself.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: Hacp
Since many of you wanted to ask, Here is pics of it in the morning with just the sunlight. Its really hard to see with the Digital Camera, but in real life, it is a little worse as the tiny scratches are way more visibile if you just turn it from left to right.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture008.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture004.jpg

Now he decided to be a biatch and left neutral heat for me, because of my heat response. What a tard.


My original Eval:
I gave Him Positive but left this comment
Grade: B
Said that when he looked at the player, it had no scratches, but it had alot. Doesn't matter to me much though. He included an Ipod case though, so that kinda made up for it (I have no use for the case )Also shipped a little late(2 days, I paid first). Everything else was Ok though, and I would def deal with him again if I got a good deal on an item, like I did for the shuffle(75 shipped which is awesome for 1GB model).



COmment after trade:

hi there


I'd like you to either edit your review at Heatware or agree to a refund. Where are these scratches? please send a picture as when i said i looked at it, i looked at it. If you are incredibly picky person, that is one thing; don't say in a public review. A scratch which isn't visible to your face when you hold it up means it doesn't have any scratches worth mentioning.

You have just sullied my name with utterly baseless claims; are you a 12 year old that you don't realize that is important to some people more than money?


Do you realize you just called me a liar on that public review?

What does it matter that it was a positive review when it says that?



Pic of Ipod Shuffle:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/hacp/Picture.jpg

Btw, to those asking questions about the scratches, Here are all of the pms involving scratches, or talk of scratches. I do not want to emphasize the scratch part, what I'm asking is should I change my Eval to neutral? I posted saying I would deal with him again, but after these comments, I WOULD NOT want to deal with him again.



From the Seller:
THe unit is in good shape; just stared at it for 30 seconds and can't see any scratches

From Me

what condition is the shuffle in? How much scratches if any? Thanks.

Next time buy NEW.

Exactly.
If you want new, pay for new.
There's nothing wrong with that Ipod.

Try a little communication next time.
If you're not happy, let the seller make it right.

You're picky and wrong, and the seller could use some work on his skills as well.

How am I picky? I said that the SCRATCHES did not matter to me. I just posted it in my heatware eval because there was a little inconsistancy in the regard to the scratches, especially when the seller implied that the unit was in good condition no scratches that he could see from staring at it for 30 secs. As I said, I knew what I paid for it, and I was HAPPY with the deal. But someone else might not have been satisfied with the scratches, and that is why I left the eval. Also, how would the OP have worked it out? In what way would it have worked out? Are we really going to cancel the deal because I mentioned the inconsistancy, because it was true?

What if someone sells a PSP for 100 bucks, and tells you he can't see any dead pixels when staring hard for 30 secs. Turns out theres 5 on the corners. You are happy with your deal, but theres still the dead pixels. How would you work it out with the seller? Would you demand a refund and return the PSP and cancel a great deal because of five dead pixels that the Seller misinformed you about? I would keep the PSP and mention the inconsistancy in the heatware.


Why did I post so many pics of the scratches? Because everyone asked to post more pics because they didn't beleive that the first picture really had "scratches", just normal wear and tear made worse by the "flash". THat is why I posted the morning pic with the sunlight and no flash.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: OdiN
...
You lack basic comprehension skills.

They locked the thread because it was inappropriate and uncalled for.

His "highly negative" PM was really not that harsh at all.

I still think the neutral was because of your LACK OF COMMUNICATION with him over this deal. You just started posting threads about him on here telling people to avoid him, posting crap in his heatware, etc. without even communicating to him about the problem first. That is your fatal mistake. If you at least talked about the issues with him and THEN still decided to post heat as you did...fine. He probably wouldn't be so upset with you.

I would trade with him...he seems very reasonable in that if a problem arose he seemed to have no problems with giving a refund or helping to resolve the problems.

I would not, however, trade with you after reading all of this.

Maybe you should bring your attitude elsewhere.

 

[John]

I skimmed thru this thread so please forgive me if I am repeating what has already been said.

1) Seller said no scratches, I can see scratches in the pics. Are the scratches on the clear sleeve only?

2) He said he would send the tracking # on Sat. and then said he thinks that he'll be able to ship it....that's not a promise. However he should have messaged you with the delay on Sat, Sun, or Mon instead of Tues.

3) Why did you leave those comments in his heatware eval without trying to rectify the issues first?

4) You don't modify your heat evals. You gave him a positive and he gave you a neutral based on your comments and lack of communication. I can't say that I blame him. Your eval reminds me of some of the feedback comments I see on eBay. A lot of n00bs leave a neutral and post positive comments.

I had someone on eBay leave me a neutral eval saying that I took too long to ship his item. Funny thing is it took him 7 days to pay me, and he was slow to reply to emails. He had the item in his possession 4 business days after I received payment. I left him a negative but it was not out of retaliation. It was for the inaccuracies in the eval that he left for me, and most of all the lack of communication.

Communication can make or break a deal!

 

[ktehmok]

Hacp,

Don't drag yourself down over this. In my opinion, the neutral is not warranted. You paid for the item in a timely manner and you left your honest opinion, with a POSITIVE EVAL. That was being generous, or perhaps foolhardy, considering the outcome? But anyone who looks at it will read the comments and judge for themselves if they wish to deal with you. You may contact Heat23 here via PM & discuss your options on whether it can be removed or not.

I must comment however, on how you are acting about this whole incident with other traders. First off: the "Off-Topic" forum, isn't the place to intelligently bring up any important matter. Posting in this place is akin to throwing rocks at abandoned warehouse windows. It's fun, but it accomplishes nothing. And it will eventually be more trouble than it's worth.

That being said, you have received response's from traders with quite a few years of trading experience under their belts (If you doubt me, just click on the Heatware link in their sig). And you have shown a degree of disrespect. We're just trying to help. The answers and opinions will not ever agree with what you are thinking 100% of the time. But our opinions are based on experience, we've all been through a sh|tty deal or three. If we didn't care we wouldn't post, it's that simple. But we've been there. They are opinions though, and should be treated as such.

Cliffs for the OT Drunkards:

1. Deal sucked.
2. Contact Heat23 about removal options.
3. Stop bashing those trying to help, and/or just tossing in their 2 cents.
4. Neutral eval is not the end of the world. How you conduct yourself afterwards could be...at least as far as the FS/FT Forum is concerned.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I've decided to keep my X2 after 7 deals fell through for it!

you guys read his sig? how ironic.

btw, Hacp, you just made my DNT list. i just don't need the drama.



also, good luck trading here again, good traders around here know who to avoid.

I have no Idea what you are talking about. How is that Ironic?

As for DNT, do whatever you want. Just keep it to yourself.

yup. like you did right? you publically criticized a trader in the heat before contacting him. :roll:

you are obviously too thin skinned a person to be a good person to trade with.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I've decided to keep my X2 after 7 deals fell through for it!

you guys read his sig? how ironic.

btw, Hacp, you just made my DNT list. i just don't need the drama.



also, good luck trading here again, good traders around here know who to avoid.

I have no Idea what you are talking about. How is that Ironic?

As for DNT, do whatever you want. Just keep it to yourself.

yup. like you did right? you publically criticized a trader in the heat before contacting him. :roll:

you are obviously too thin skinned a person to be a good person to trade with.

And he started a thread in FS/T about the trader.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I've decided to keep my X2 after 7 deals fell through for it!

you guys read his sig? how ironic.

btw, Hacp, you just made my DNT list. i just don't need the drama.



also, good luck trading here again, good traders around here know who to avoid.

I have no Idea what you are talking about. How is that Ironic?

As for DNT, do whatever you want. Just keep it to yourself.

yup. like you did right? you publically criticized a trader in the heat before contacting him. :roll:

you are obviously too thin skinned a person to be a good person to trade with.

And he started a thread in FS/T about the trader.

ya, but the other trader was over sensitive also. both traders are on my DNT list.

of course, i don't really trade too much anymore. too much drama.

 

[Drakkon]

i gotta say after reading the evals i dont think this warrented neutral. I mean the guy got a positive, mr hacp got his item to his satisfaction with just a couple issues and noted them in his review, he is entitled to his opinion. If i sold something to someone he thought there were scratches, and i shipped a couple days after i recieved the money, but still ended satisfactorily, a positive noting these things would be a lesson to me. To always show pictures of stuff before selling and to let the buyer know if there were delays on shipping...
Neutral wasn't jsutified in this case, dood should've just shrugged it off, he got his money promptly and got his positive such that its doubtful anyone would read it and draw any conclusions unless hes planning on making a habit of selling scratched items saying they are perfect and shipping a couple days late.

 

[Conky]

I will never understand why people live and breathe about their heatware reputation.

Why shouldn't your reputation at Anandtech and/or any other place matter?

I've tried to deal with kids in the past in the FS/T forum who were like "I have high heatware, send me the item, I will evaluate it and then pay you if I care to" to which I respond... "If you want it you pay for it... you can ding my flawless online trading credit then". I mean dang, I sell knives for frikkin $400 a piece with happy traders and some teenaged freak wants to get retarded over a stick of old RAM?

I am far more interested in a person's paypal or ebay ranking than their "heatware" ranking.

 

[smack Down]

So the seller out right lies about the condition of the item and people here think the buyer is wrong because ???

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: smack Down
So the seller out right lies about the condition of the item and people here think the buyer is wrong because ???

Read the thread. We are not here to educate you.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: smack Down
So the seller out right lies about the condition of the item and people here think the buyer is wrong because ???

I didn't follow the thread much but I saw the "scratch" pics on bbzzdd... I didn't think it was that big a deal.. it was used, right?

 

[cronos]

this is what happened when the seller do not give heat until the buyer gives heat first. i think it's totally wrong. as a buyer my responsibility is to pay, that's all. and the seller should have immediately left me my heat as soon as he gets my money.

sadly, this is a common practice and almost everybody does it. i don't. i gave heat as soon as i got the payment. it's the most logical thing to do for me.

 

[VoBoy]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: xinco

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: xinco
lol

Read you own rules!

Heatware is based on the transaction. I paid. That should be my heatware evaluation.

So, the seller is only allowed to grade you on whether you paid or not?

I beg to differ. You are obligated to work out any issues with the trade prior to leaving heat. By not doing that, you deserve the neutral right there.

But you left a positive, you say? So what? By your own rules, he left an evaluation that reflected his experience on the trade. Basically, would he trade with you again.

If he were really harsh, he could have left you a negative. If his view is he wouldn't trade with you again, that would warrant a negative.

You had no issue with the trade until his heatware feedback. You left feedback when your side of the deal was done. You got you stuff, you were happy with what you got, you left feedback. If you weren't happy, you needed to contact him.

Now, the seller isn't done with his deal until the buyer is totally happy, or he doesn't agree to what the buyer wants. The contents of your heatware eval becomes part of his deal (or his experience wth the trade). Note - the rating left does not become part of the deal - only the information presented in the eval.

I suspect this is falling on deaf ears, but think about it for a bit. Take some deep breaths and/or sleep on it. I know you are pissed about the neutral eval. Try to step back and think rationally about it.

This post was not started becuase he left me a neutral. This post was started when he sent me a PM complaining about my heatware evaluation. AS I STATED BEFORE, THE MINOR QUIRKS WERE NOT ISSUES TO ME, AND I WAS HAPPY WITH THE DEAL, BUT IT MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE, SO I INCLUDED IT IN MY HEATWARE EVALUATION.

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: OdiN
...
You lack basic comprehension skills.

They locked the thread because it was inappropriate and uncalled for.

His "highly negative" PM was really not that harsh at all.

I still think the neutral was because of your LACK OF COMMUNICATION with him over this deal. You just started posting threads about him on here telling people to avoid him, posting crap in his heatware, etc. without even communicating to him about the problem first. That is your fatal mistake. If you at least talked about the issues with him and THEN still decided to post heat as you did...fine. He probably wouldn't be so upset with you.

I would trade with him...he seems very reasonable in that if a problem arose he seemed to have no problems with giving a refund or helping to resolve the problems.

I would not, however, trade with you after reading all of this.

Maybe you should bring your attitude elsewhere.

Based on your actions, I would never deal with you. You need to check yourself and stop criticizing this trading community. Based on what was stated, I would be satisfied and have left positive feedback with a positive comment to support it. I have more respect for the trader you had dealth with than I do for you as of this moment. Clearly you have more attitude problems then the trader you told off.

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: xinco
So, the seller is only allowed to grade you on whether you paid or not?

imo:

yes, absolutely. that's exactly what heatware about buyer is about.

the OP made a mistake by not trying to resolve it directly with the seller first and hastily left a long comment saying that he was disappointed. he might think that since it's a positive heat anyway, then it should not damage the seller's reputation (the fact is: it doesn't). of course it's a mistake, but it's understandable.

the seller, however, left a neutral heat to retalliate to the OP's positive heat, simply because he didn't like the way the comments were written. i think that's ridiculous, unacceptable, and not within the spirit of heatware as a feedback system.

 

[John]

Originally posted by: cronos

Originally posted by: xinco
So, the seller is only allowed to grade you on whether you paid or not?

imo:

yes, absolutely. that's exactly what heatware about buyer is about.

the OP made a mistake by not trying to resolve it directly with the seller first and hastily left a long comment saying that he was disappointed. he might think that since it's a positive heat anyway, then it should not damage the seller's reputation (the fact is: it doesn't). of course it's a mistake, but it's understandable.

the seller, however, left a neutral heat to retalliate to the OP's positive heat, simply because he didn't like the way the comments were written. i think that's ridiculous, unacceptable, and not within the spirit of heatware as a feedback system.

cronos, the entire deal as a whole should be evaluated.

xinco, I agree with you for the most part. However IMHO since the buyer did not communicate with the seller very well after he received the item, didn't give the seller a chance to make it right for both parties, and left a positive eval with "neutral/negative sounding" comments the seller was not obligated to leave a positive eval for the buyer. The buyer then makes a nasty post in the FS/T forum that gets locked down, and now he proceeds to post in this forum about the same issue. hacp is really making things worse than what they already are.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: cronos
this is what happened when the seller do not give heat until the buyer gives heat first. i think it's totally wrong. as a buyer my responsibility is to pay, that's all. and the seller should have immediately left me my heat as soon as he gets my money.

sadly, this is a common practice and almost everybody does it. i don't. i gave heat as soon as i got the payment. it's the most logical thing to do for me.

I don't leave heat until the deal is done. I evaluate the deal as a whole and evaluate the buyer at that time. I don't leave positive just because he paid. There is more to a deal than that. Thankfully...I don't think I've ever had to leave a negative eval as I haven't had any serious issues...at least not on here. Ebay, etc. is another story.