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Saylick

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I wish the Niners won, but Mahomes is just too good. That's all I can say. There were a few luck-of-the-draw moments, especially with that muffed punt, that changed the tide completely, but pretty much all SBs have something like that. I liked that there wasn't a lot of penalty flags either.
 

JujuFish

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Now Josh reached the level of Jim Kelly copium. Including "wide right".

It's just a fact of life for me. Last Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship: never. Last Buffalo Sabres Stanley Cup championship: never. Last Cleveland Guardians World Series championship: 1948.
 

dank69

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I wish the Niners won, but Mahomes is just too good. That's all I can say. There were a few luck-of-the-draw moments, especially with that muffed punt, that changed the tide completely, but pretty much all SBs have something like that. I liked that there wasn't a lot of penalty flags either.
That absolute dog shit luck on that punt had to be demoralizing for a defense that was playing extremely well up to that point.
 

MrSquished

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Besides that one pretty questionable intentional grounding call, it seemed like a well-officiated game. That was great. Pretty clean game really. For folks that watched who don't follow football or understand it, the first few quarters were probably boring, but the fourth quarter and OT were amazing. To me the first few quarters were two great teams just playing hard against each other.
 
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Saylick

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That absolute dog shit luck on that punt had to be demoralizing for a defense that was playing extremely well up to that point.
Yeah, when I watched it happen live, I could not believe my eyes. Just when I thought the Niners defense really stepped up, especially in comparison to their performance in the games leading up to the SB, something like that happens and its all for naught.
 
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purbeast0

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Besides that one pretty questionable intentional grounding call, it seemed like a well-officiated game. That was great. Pretty clean game really. For folks that watched who don't follow football or understand it, the first few quarters were probably boring, but the fourth quarter and OT were amazing. To me the first few quarters were two great teams just playing hard against each other.
Aside from the missed illegal man downfield call on the CMC touchdown too.
 

RPD

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I thought it was well ref'd as well.
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dlerious

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He's on three hours before the game starts? He must be very influential.
He's part of The NFL Today crew - Phil Simms, James Brown, Coach Cowher, Nate Burleson, and Boomer are the ones I usually see pre-game, halftime report, and post game wrap up.
 

manly

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I wish the Niners won, but Mahomes is just too good. That's all I can say. There were a few luck-of-the-draw moments, especially with that muffed punt, that changed the tide completely, but pretty much all SBs have something like that. I liked that there wasn't a lot of penalty flags either.
I wouldn't call that a muffed punt; the ball caromed off a blocker's ankle and force the returner to try to field the ball. Maybe he could have done better, but it wasn't his fault. It's notable that the Chiefs recovered 6 of 7 fumbles, which is just terrific luck. When Pacheco mishandled the pitch back, he picked up the football right before the defender tackled him for a big loss. Usually players are taught to just jump on a fumbled ball because it's very hard to scoop it up as opponents are crashing towards you.

I don't think Shanahan necessarily called a bad game (ESPN's Bill Barnwell didn't think so). CMC ended up with good stats but what I saw was a running game that was barely better than the Chiefs' bad one. It's far from obvious to me that if you pounded the rock, they would have won the game. The main difference between the first half and second half was the Niners 4-man rush was no longer dominating; so Steve Wilks started to blitz and Mahomes went 5/5 against the blitz. Also, nobody could have predicted designed run plays for Mahomes so there was no game plan for it. Despite all the post-game groaning, Shanahan also explained why they wanted the ball to start overtime.

Finally, an XP should never be blocked. Although we don't know how the game plays out if the Niners had a 4 point lead, Moody fucked up by kicking the ball low. I'm not going to sit here and blame him for the L, but we all know it was an important miss that Romo (or Nantz) mentioned immediately. It's hard as fuck to beat Mahomes, and you want to force him to go the whole field rather than half of it.
 

dlerious

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I was surprised by all the betting commercials. The one with Gronk kicking a field goal had me scratching my head. I've bet on stupid stuff decades ago, but those bets were usually game related.
 

purbeast0

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I was surprised by all the betting commercials. The one with Gronk kicking a field goal had me scratching my head. I've bet on stupid stuff decades ago, but those bets were usually game related.
That was a free game to play and if you picked correct, you got a free bet.

I picked he'd miss it and he missed, and I had a $25 free bet when I woke up this morning.
 

dlerious

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That was a free game to play and if you picked correct, you got a free bet.

I picked he'd miss it and he missed, and I had a $25 free bet when I woke up this morning.
You get $25 to bet, not $25 for your pocket? Can you cash out or do you just get money to play the game?
 

Torn Mind

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dude, you guys hired our o-line coach, and our o-line has nothing but sucked under him. I mean of course they are missing talent in several positions, but he couldn't do anything and did not help Neal turn into a serviceable anything.

It's a been one-sided affair of Giants owning Washington throughout history. This will blow up in Washington's face. :p

You Giants only give smallpox blankies to Washington.
 

purbeast0

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I mean I honestly don't think coaches in general are that big of a deal. If you don't have the talent in the position group, the group is doing to suck. There is a reason why all of these former Washington coaches have move to other teams and had success, but on Washington they didn't. It's because of the talent.
 

manly

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LMAO ESPN has the Ravens atop the power rankings despite their having 25 UFAs! The reigning champs slot in at #2 despite being widely expected to "run it back" in hopes of an unprecedented three-peat.


Since The Athletic is paywalled, here are their (interesting) top 6:
1. Chiefs
2. Niners
3. Lions
4. Ravens
5. Texans
6. Packers
 
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MrSquished

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I mean I honestly don't think coaches in general are that big of a deal. If you don't have the talent in the position group, the group is doing to suck. There is a reason why all of these former Washington coaches have move to other teams and had success, but on Washington they didn't. It's because of the talent.
I don't think that's quite right, I think position coaches/coordinators can be important, and along with the talent question, it could lean both ways.. There are coaches well known for mentoring QB's, that's not a myth. And there is the flip side, players leaving teams and playing better elsewhere - in fact the Giants had two o-linemen leave under Bobby who played much better for their next team. Also see Evan Engram in Jacksonville as a TE who left and played much better.
 

BoomerD

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Coaches DO make a difference. Do they deserve to be fired if a team does poorly? Not always. Team performance can be the result of many things. Coaching, team culture/ownership values/attitudes, draft picks by GM or above, etc. Even a great coach can't turn a turd into a diamond.
 

Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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Chiefs are underdogs for Super Bowl.
They weren't for me.

9ers Achilles heels:

Greenlaw's yesterday
Moody's foot (missing that extra point)
Young quarterback, he was good but couldn't be as perfect yesterday as Mahomes.

Andy Reid had a play up his sleeve to score a touchdown from the 10 yard line. Shanahan's play flopped and they kicked a FG instead.

I didn't watch a single ad. I was way to worked up for that. The 1/2 time show was pretty good, but over produced, a typical Super Bowl issue. The whole extravaganza syndrome.

Jim Nance outed himself as a nincompoop before the game started when he said the winner would be determined by which of Kelce or Kittle would have the better performance. :rolleyes: So dumbass! I didn't pay attention to him after that. Romo's comments seemed intelligent, informed and pretty spot on to me.

Who knows, maybe next year the 9ers will reach the summit.
 
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Muse

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Not exactly the most exciting super bowl so far. And the commercials suck too
I stopped watching SB commercials last year. Recent years I tried, but FF through most. Yesterday, I had no interest in seeing any, instantly FF past every single one. I do that for most sports.

Bad aftertaste this game for me. Nothing unusual, but sometimes I really am exhilarated watching sports on TV. Was hoping, but didn't happen yesterday.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The 1/2 time show was pretty good, but over produced, a typical Super Bowl issue. The whole extravaganza syndrome.
Funny, i thought it was very subdued, relatively speaking. More like a normal concert performance. Dude was veeeery out of shape though. Gassed and leaking vital fluids from about 4 minutes of his best MJ impressions.
 

Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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So do the niner's have a curse or pox on their house or something now?

Seem to be able to make it to SB but not win in the current era.
I've had the feeling that the 9ers have had a curse on them for 25 years or so. OK, they've been in a slew of NFC championship games, won a couple recently. No Lombardi for 29 years and a franchise that doesn't feel vindicated if they don't win it given the Walsh and Seifert eras.