NFL 2022 Season

[RPD]

How in the hell do the Raiders come out first half shot out of a cannon only to completely fall on their face in the 2nd half? Like what 4 games like this now? It's almost amazing how well they play the 1st half vs. the 2nd.

 

[MrSquished]

I haven't watched many games, and Rodgers is certainly not playing well, but he's not the main problem. The problem began when Davante Adams was expected to sign a lucrative extension, but he wanted to go back near the West coast and also fleece the Raiders for $28M per season annual average. On top of that, the now inexperienced WR crew has suffered injury after injury. Kaaron doesn't trust any receiver besides Lazard (who's been hampered) and he throws hissy fits when the kids fuck up. Not a great leader at this point, but at least the Packers seem destined for a top 12 overall draft pick?

I mean having no receivers can't be a big part of the problem right? I've heard that from some so-called QB experts.

Rodgers is not helping by being a petulant dick though. But we all knew that

 

[Captante]

The Packers are pretty bad from top to bottom right now.... it's been a "team" effort!

Even so as much as I dislike Rodgers as a human-being I don't think he's completely washed up yet. It takes more than just throwing the football, downfield, eventually somebody needs to catch it on the other end!

A solid running game really helps too (keeps the opposing pass-rush honest!) and Green Bay doesn't have that going for them either.

 

[Captante]

Lamar Jackson has the same problem.... Baltimore does have a ground-game though.

 

[manly]

The Packers are pretty bad from top to bottom right now.... it's been a "team" effort!

Even so as much as I dislike Rodgers as a human-being I don't think he's completely washed up yet. It takes more than just throwing the football, downfield, eventually somebody needs to catch it on the other end!

A solid running game really helps too (keeps the opposing pass-rush honest!) and Green Bay doesn't have that going for them either.

Per usual, you don't know what you're talking about. The Packers have an All-Pro RB1, and a very good power back as RB2. Some have called these two RBs the second and third best players on the team (but that's probably ignoring a couple defensive stars).

The Packers unexpectedly lost Davante Adams (and also MVS), and went with a very inexperienced WR crew. On top of that, they've been decimated by injuries more than the average team, which explains their shitty record. If they had good health, they'd probably be 5-4 right now. They just lost their star OLB Rashan Gary for the season, and likely a CB as well. But those are the breaks.

 

[MrSquished]

Per usual, you don't know what you're talking about. The Packers have an All-Pro RB1, and a very good power back as RB2. Some have called these two RBs the second and third best players on the team (but that's probably ignoring a couple defensive stars).

The Packers unexpectedly lost Davante Adams (and also MVS), and went with a very inexperienced WR crew. On top of that, they've been decimated by injuries more than the average team, which explains their shitty record. If they had good health, they'd probably be 5-4 right now. They just lost their star OLB Rashan Gary for the season, and likely a CB as well. But those are the breaks.

Giants are the third most injured team in the league and they're 6-2

 

[manly]

Giants are the third most injured team in the league and they're 6-2

Well that's because you have Daniel Jones, and we have Kaaron.

 

[Captante]

Per usual, you don't know what you're talking about. The Packers have an All-Pro RB1, and a very good power back as RB2. Some have called these two RBs the second and third best players on the team (but that's probably ignoring a couple defensive stars).

The Packers unexpectedly lost Davante Adams (and also MVS), and went with a very inexperienced WR crew. On top of that, they've been decimated by injuries more than the average team, which explains their shitty record. If they had good health, they'd probably be 5-4 right now. They just lost their star OLB Rashan Gary for the season, and likely a CB as well. But those are the breaks.

The Packers are a terrible all-around football team right now on the field IRL the ONLY place that matters to non-Packer fans.

😉

That was my point.... everyone has injuries.

 

[manly]

The Packers are a terrible all-around football team right now on the field IRL the ONLY place that matters to non-Packer fans.

😉

That was my point.... everyone has injuries.

Then you shouldn't have said they don't have a solid running game, because it makes you seem uninformed. 😛 Although all NFL teams have injuries, there's a lot of variance and some teams get hit really hard. If you lose QB1 for the season, you're pretty much done as a contender.

Although I won't disagree that the Packers are terrible, they've been in some of these games. But it's hard to win when you literally have no WRs to throw the ball to. See the Titans last night LOL.

 

[Torn Mind]

GB could have a running game. They have a tendency to not use it.

 

[Captante]

Then you shouldn't have said they don't have a solid running game, because it makes you seem uninformed. 😛 Although all NFL teams have injuries, there's a lot of variance and some teams get hit really hard. If you lose QB1 for the season, you're pretty much done as a contender.

Although I won't disagree that the Packers are terrible, they've been in some of these games. But it's hard to win when you literally have no WRs to throw the ball to. See the Titans last night LOL.

Green Bay doesn't really have a solid "anything" right now frankly from what I've seen however I don't follow the team closely enough to know the injury-details and will take your word for it.

If it makes you feel any better I'm still not sold on the Giants myself considering who we've beaten.

😉

 

[Captante]

The Saints with Dalton @ QB are looking inept. 🙄

The "red rifle" is more like a BB gun these days!

 

[zinfamous]

ok now check Dalton's hands for some stickum, because that was some gluey fingertips to hold that ball like that on what should have been a fumble. that was weird.

 

[Torn Mind]

Dalton and Jameis....
Indistinguishable in terms of the way they suck and throw picks.

 

[Captante]

I bailed out.

 

[Captante]

Although there have been some terrific games this year so far (like KC/TN Sunday night for example) I'm really starting to think Tom Brady was right and the league overall is in trouble.... there are too many complete "duds" like the Ravens/Saints MNF stinker last night.

While on the one hand nobody wants an NFL where you pretty much know that one of 3-4 teams 100% IS winning the Superbowl before the season even starts like we had in the 1990's, it's also possible to take "parity" too far and end up with a lot of "evenly matched" but boring football.

 

[purbeast0]

Although there have been some terrific games this year so far (like KC/TN Sunday night for example) I'm really starting to think Tom Brady was right and the league overall is in trouble.... there are too many complete "duds" like the Ravens/Saints MNF stinker last night.

While on the one hand nobody wants an NFL where you pretty much know that one of 3-4 teams 100% IS winning the Superbowl before the season even starts like we had in the 1990's, it's also possible to take "parity" too far and end up with a lot of "evenly matched" but boring football.

I don't know why anyone would have expected Ravens/Saints to be a "good" game.

The only "good" games on primetime are TYPICALLY when you have 2 good QB's going up against eachother.

The problem with the NFL right now is there aren't that many good quarterbacks. And I don't really think it's fair to say they aren't good. It's that defenses have just gotten that much better making their job so much harder.

But like, the top guys are gone and/or going out. Breeze and Manning are gone. Rogers and Brady just aren't what they used to be. Who knows wtf happened to Russel Wilson. Big Ben is gone.

The only TRULY good QBs out there right now are Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes. That's really it.

Then you have a few on the next tier like Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurtz seems to be coming into his own as well.

Then maybe you have Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Matt Stafford in the next tier maybe. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are still kind of possibly good but still haven't seen enough.

And the you have "the rest" with some of them being higher than others, but none of em are going to lead a team to the promised land without a lot of luck.

I just think the NFL has a QB problem right now.

 

[Torn Mind]

AFC East and NFC East are the two best divisions in football in terms of wins so far.

 

[Torn Mind]

Although there have been some terrific games this year so far (like KC/TN Sunday night for example) I'm really starting to think Tom Brady was right and the league overall is in trouble.... there are too many complete "duds" like the Ravens/Saints MNF stinker last night.

While on the one hand nobody wants an NFL where you pretty much know that one of 3-4 teams 100% IS winning the Superbowl before the season even starts like we had in the 1990's, it's also possible to take "parity" too far and end up with a lot of "evenly matched" but boring football.

I would say this season, it's the worst of both worlds.

We know KC, Buffalo, Philly, or maybe Dallas have the inside track to the Super Bowl. Everyone else is a load of meh at best. Maybe Seattle is the dark horse up-and-comer no expects but despite Geno be "efficient", he still appears a bit "off" in terms of reading the field well


Even among the four super teams, there are flaws.

KC did lose something when Hill was traded to Miami
Buffalo was seemingly invincible but they cracked against two division rivals...and Allen's elbow might be a issue going forward
Dallas...has a bad head coach that doesn't instill discipline or focus when they need it...so they might be due for another embarssing bounce-out.
Philly - they are doing great but they are inexperienced in deep playoff runs.

 

[Torn Mind]

lol, GET UP's memoriam for the abrupt departure of Saturday.

 

[Captante]

I don't think the Colt's problems have much to do with Frank Reich. Pretty sure he'll have another job before long although maybe not as a head coach.

That organization has really been "bringing the stupid" with their player-moves dating all the way back to the way they absolutely wrecked Andrew Luck's QB career by completely neglecting the O-line. (and culminating with signing Carson Wentz)

 

[Torn Mind]

Pat Mcafee talks about Josh Allen's potential injury.

If Allen came out with only a minor injury, that's very fortunate indeed but the Bills and him still better not compromise his future too much for the present.

 

[purbeast0]

The drama continues with the trash organization that is the Commanders.

First this news dropped earlier today like before noon.

Brian Robinson's agent slams Commanders' response to news of Racine's 'major announcement'

A "major announcement" regarding the Washington Commanders is expected on Thursday, according to D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine.

wjla.com

And then this was the statement that the Commanders put out in response to that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590481263437451264

And they are just getting COMPLETELY HAMMERED by everyone in the media right now, deservedly so. Trying to basically use Brian Robinson's shooting as a political move. Completely and utter trash organization and I can't wait till Snyder is gone.

 

[manly]

I don't know why anyone would have expected Ravens/Saints to be a "good" game.

The only "good" games on primetime are TYPICALLY when you have 2 good QB's going up against eachother.

The problem with the NFL right now is there aren't that many good quarterbacks. And I don't really think it's fair to say they aren't good. It's that defenses have just gotten that much better making their job so much harder.

But like, the top guys are gone and/or going out. Breeze and Manning are gone. Rogers and Brady just aren't what they used to be. Who knows wtf happened to Russel Wilson. Big Ben is gone.

The only TRULY good QBs out there right now are Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes. That's really it.

Then you have a few on the next tier like Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurtz seems to be coming into his own as well.

Then maybe you have Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Matt Stafford in the next tier maybe. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are still kind of possibly good but still haven't seen enough.

And the you have "the rest" with some of them being higher than others, but none of em are going to lead a team to the promised land without a lot of luck.

I just think the NFL has a QB problem right now.

No it doesn't. I generally respect your NFL knowledge, but there are more "franchise" QBs in the NFL now than in most eras. What you're referring to are "elite" QBs, which will always be highly limited. By franchise QB, I mean someone a team will not let go of (the rare exception was when Wash. decided Kirk Cousins wasn't good enough for the money).

Maybe Father Time instantly hit both Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers; or at least in the latter case, maybe it's because he has no WRs to throw the ball to this season. He just won back to back MVPs, so it's hard to argue he's suddenly garbage.

Yes, some of the old elite guys did retire but there's been a influx of young QBs excelling way before the historical development curve dictated. Whether Joe Burrow or Jalen Hurts will ultimately be elite QBs is certainly a fair debate; but if you judge by passing stats alone, there are now many competent QBs starting in the NFL. Obviously, rules changes have helped passers become "better," but that doesn't really explain how year 2 and year 3 guys are playing better than they ever have.

I think you're using a small sample size (half season) and drawing a conclusion that a lot of top veteran QBs are no longer good. They are struggling for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they've fallen off the wagon necessarily. Regardless of what happens hereon out, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are gonna get paid massive extensions soon.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't know why anyone would have expected Ravens/Saints to be a "good" game.

The only "good" games on primetime are TYPICALLY when you have 2 good QB's going up against eachother.

The problem with the NFL right now is there aren't that many good quarterbacks. And I don't really think it's fair to say they aren't good. It's that defenses have just gotten that much better making their job so much harder.

But like, the top guys are gone and/or going out. Breeze and Manning are gone. Rogers and Brady just aren't what they used to be. Who knows wtf happened to Russel Wilson. Big Ben is gone.

The only TRULY good QBs out there right now are Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes. That's really it.

Then you have a few on the next tier like Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurtz seems to be coming into his own as well.

Then maybe you have Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Matt Stafford in the next tier maybe. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are still kind of possibly good but still haven't seen enough.

And the you have "the rest" with some of them being higher than others, but none of em are going to lead a team to the promised land without a lot of luck.

I just think the NFL has a QB problem right now.

successive drafts of relatively weak QB classes year after year will tend to do that, heh. Even Allen and Mahomes came in somewhat unheralded. Allen especially.