BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
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ITHURTSWHENIP
Senior member
I have a Galaxy S2 :whiste:
Do you need Android to win in every department? Is it a sin if you admitted IOS is better in certain aspects?
Both platforms have strengths/weaknesses. Gaming is IOS strength. It doesnt mean Android is worse or sucks. It has it owns strengths
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
This thread is about Tegra, Tegra3 could be running Win8, Android, BB OS10 or even iOS. You mentioned IB2 as an example that nothing can touch on any Tegra devices, I pointed out a quick one not to mention the T3 custom build of Shadowgun which Engadget said looks better then anything they have seen on the iPad2. For this particular discussion it really has nothing to do with the OS, the point is if Tegra devices can directly compete with IT's GPUs and from the games I have actually seen running on them, I would say very easily so despite what GLBenchmark numbers state.
ITHURTSWHENIP
Senior member
If it has nothing to do with the OS then what was exactly the point of throwing the lame last resort "walled garden" comment?
Shadowgun and Riptide do not have A5 versions. Infinity Blade 2 does. So you are being dishonest by trying to compare versions Nvidia paid for to regular versions that were made for SGX 535
Go to any GPU forum like Beyond3D and claim Tegra 3 is equal to 543MP2 and see if anybody even takes that seriously. Hell read Anands preview of it
Your argument seems more like wishful thinking on your part than based on reality.
Engadget also does not review games as far as i know.
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Read the reviews of actual Tegra3 devices. All of them that I have read explicitly mention comparisons to the A5 games and none of them gave the edge to the A5.
Reality is that when you buy a nV product you can expect to see games that were paid to benefit your platform. That is how nVidia operates, and that is always a factor.
A site that was run by an IT engineer and an ATi director may not be even handed when it comes to nVidia? A shocker(for the record Kristof and Dave are both great guys, but they have their clear leanings).
Theorycrafting is great, what I want to see is some evidence in games. So far, nVidia is providing that better then anyone else at this point in time.
Tegra hasn't been all that impressive, whether that be Tegra2 or Tegra3, both are beaten by the A5 chip. Thats even taking into consideration that the A5 was released last year.
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Because GLBenchmark says so......
... in the same way that i7-2600k is beaten by A6, yes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
If you got a better way to test it, lets hear it, but Anand's preview of Tegra3 says otherwise. I'd rather trust that preview than your skewed Android fanatic bias. Thanks.
A5 > Tegra3, I'm sorry you can't accept that.
This thread is about next gen Exynos anyway, which would surely stomp Tegra 3.
Exynos is a beast, it's obviously going to face roll Tegra 3
Not even close....
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Tegra 3 is reported to run Windows 8 too(by MS), dual booting a tablet with Android and Win8 has a lot of appeal to several people I know. This discussion is about SoCs, there is an Apple forum if you want to worship in peace.
Even in Anand's tests, the A5 loses every CPU bench, even those that aren't using all the CPU cores on the Tegra3. Those are the benches on the page you didn't link. We could also bring up no Linpack numbers shown, why not use an industry standard test? Nope, we will use a back to front sort order sham of a benchmark.
ITHURTSWHENIP
Senior member
Again. You are being intellectually dishonest. You know that there are no A5 specific versions of those games. Has ANY site claimed they look better than Infinity Blade 2? Exactly
Those two are not the only ones posting in the forums and you know that. I love how you dismiss every respected journalist in the field in favour of Engadget reviews though (LOL)
And Nvidia cant pay developers forever when nobody is actually buying these games.
ITHURTSWHENIP
Senior member
Also staying on topic: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/08/samsu...et-with-retina-resolution-tablet-in-february/
Im not sure about seeing a Cortex A-15 that early. Everyone else is releasing in the 2nd half of 2012. But Samsung does have its own fab and they already have 32nm available to go. Rumour is that Samsung is favoured by ARM after taking a gamble with their MALI-GPU
Im not sure about seeing a Cortex A-15 that early. Everyone else is releasing in the 2nd half of 2012. But Samsung does have its own fab and they already have 32nm available to go. Rumour is that Samsung is favoured by ARM after taking a gamble with their MALI-GPU
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
That Apple doesn't support developers as well as nVidia is Apple's issue, not mine.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-review/
Emphasis mine.
The site has been an anti nV anything breeding ground since the 3Dfx era and you should know that. During the 8800GT days they were talking about all of ATi's advantages, they are very far removed from being close to unbiased.
How many years before they stop? Been going over a decade on the PC and it's still happening. In theory they may drop down to the level of developer support that Samsung or Apple offers, but as of right now if you buy something from them you know it is part of package.
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
I am looking forward to seeing how it stacks up. The bigger issue with Sammy doing things faster is that they have their own fab, if you want to push out a direct by the book A15 it doesn't really take that long(not saying it is trivial, but lead time isn't close to what we have already seen). Hopefully they can hit the window they are talking about, probably when I'll be getting my next tablet and I'd like to see how they stack up to each other.
ITHURTSWHENIP
Senior member
February still seems too optimistic though. The screen is intriguing aswell. I remember Samsung displayed a 2500x1600 SAMOLED screen a while back but it was using Pentile
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Pentile with that level of pixel density isn't going to matter much. Once you reach a certain PPI the pentile layout becomes a non factor.
February may be overly optimistic, it could be that they are going to demonstrate the tablet at that point(nV demoed Tegra3 at CES last year).
February may be overly optimistic, it could be that they are going to demonstrate the tablet at that point(nV demoed Tegra3 at CES last year).
runawayprisoner
Platinum Member
I think it's worth mentioning that Engadget hasn't had any time with Infinity Blade 2 on an iPad 2 yet.
You were talking about how Tegra3 games were impressive/more impressive than anything on iOS. Aren't games GPU driven? But then you go on to mention the CPU which barely beats the A5, all the while you ignore the fact that the A5 stomps Tegra3's GPU.
Nice cherry picking your arguments. Either talk about GPU performance or not. AFAIK, linpack isn't available on iOS.
EDIT: You choosing Engadget over Anandtech is full of LOL.
To bring this somewhat on topic, looks like the launch device for this chip may be an 11.6", 25*16 ICS tablet:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...et-at-mobile-world-congress-in-february-2012/
Ignore the not-very-funny mockup pic.
MWC: the place you learn to regret the awesome toys you got for Christmas (SGS3 announcement, anyone?). 😉
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...et-at-mobile-world-congress-in-february-2012/
Ignore the not-very-funny mockup pic.
MWC: the place you learn to regret the awesome toys you got for Christmas (SGS3 announcement, anyone?). 😉
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I actually remember using that now, but it's a CPU benchmark.
soccerballtux
Lifer
the A5 is a fine CPU it's just "slower" because it's clocked slower. If it were clocked 20% higher it would do much better...I really see it as a non issue, it's fine.
poofyhairguy
Lifer
Honestly I don't care about having an Android tablet with a retina display in 2011 or 2012. So a Tegra 3 is fine to me.
It is just like how I feel about the GNex. Already in Android Market reviews there are people complaining that apps don't fill the full screen on the GNex (because they are hardcoded WVGA). I personally feel everyone buying a Gnex is a Guinea pig- they will have all the growing pains as apps shift from WVGA to 720p. Given how slowly the Android market reacted to qHD I expect by the time most apps are 720p compatible the GNex will be obsolete hardware otherwise. You never get to use it at its best, unless all you do on a phone is surf the internet.
Same way with Android tablets. There is already only a few decent Android tablet apps, and so those who want the combo of retina display and tablet are going to be in the minority for a while. It might two years for the market to shift to support high-density apps, and by that time the SoCs will be miles beyond Tegra 3 or an A5.
With my SGS2 and a Transformer Prime I could wait out the growing pains on a Low PPI Plateau, enjoying maximum compatibility during the primary life cycle for these devices.
Of course this is a different story in iOS- Apple makes it easer on developers (like the iPhone 4 being exactly twice the resolution of older iPhones) so they respond quickly to hardware changes. For Android often it is a second platform to iOS anyway for many developers, and so high PPI Android apps are a third or fourth platform to target at best....
It is just like how I feel about the GNex. Already in Android Market reviews there are people complaining that apps don't fill the full screen on the GNex (because they are hardcoded WVGA). I personally feel everyone buying a Gnex is a Guinea pig- they will have all the growing pains as apps shift from WVGA to 720p. Given how slowly the Android market reacted to qHD I expect by the time most apps are 720p compatible the GNex will be obsolete hardware otherwise. You never get to use it at its best, unless all you do on a phone is surf the internet.
Same way with Android tablets. There is already only a few decent Android tablet apps, and so those who want the combo of retina display and tablet are going to be in the minority for a while. It might two years for the market to shift to support high-density apps, and by that time the SoCs will be miles beyond Tegra 3 or an A5.
With my SGS2 and a Transformer Prime I could wait out the growing pains on a Low PPI Plateau, enjoying maximum compatibility during the primary life cycle for these devices.
Of course this is a different story in iOS- Apple makes it easer on developers (like the iPhone 4 being exactly twice the resolution of older iPhones) so they respond quickly to hardware changes. For Android often it is a second platform to iOS anyway for many developers, and so high PPI Android apps are a third or fourth platform to target at best....
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