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Next Gen Exynos laughs at your Tegra 3

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s44 said:
To bring this somewhat on topic, looks like the launch device for this chip may be an 11.6", 25*16 ICS tablet:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...et-at-mobile-world-congress-in-february-2012/

Ignore the not-very-funny mockup pic.

MWC: the place you learn to regret the awesome toys you got for Christmas (SGS3 announcement, anyone?). 😉
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Exynos 5250 sounds too good to be true and the source for the story is BGR. I would welcome Samsung skipping the 4212 and 4412 and heading straight to a complete next gen part but that's not how the industry works.

Tired of BGR crap, waiting 2 months to have their FUD debunked is getting old.
 
AFAIK the 4212 is just a shrunk 4210, while the 4412 would be a quad core version of the same. The 5250 (not a dream, its actually been announced) is the true next gen (A15) Exynos.

The interesting matchup for next year seems to be the Exynos 5250 (Samsung) vs Krait/Adreno3xx (HTC). With OMAP5 and Kal-El being runners-up. Also Intel is jumping into the field as a wild-card this generation. I'd love to see the Exynos 5250 in the SGSIII, but the timeline doesn't seem to matchup. 4212/4412 is more likely, but would be a disappointment.

It'll be an interesting year for mobile SoCs, thats for damn sure. Also I'm wondering what the first big.little SoC will be. Kal-El is close but not quite.
 
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ilkhan said:
The interesting matchup for next year seems to be the Exynos 5250 (Samsung) vs Krait/Adreno3xx (HTC). With OMAP5 and Kal-El being runners-up. Also Intel is jumping into the field as a wild-card this generation. I'd love to see the Exynos 5250 in the SGSIII, but the timeline doesn't seem to matchup. 4212/4412 is more likely, but would be a disappointment.
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Qualcomm's roadmap indicates Adreno 225 first before we see the Adreno 320, sometime between late 2012/early 2013, just as Samsung is likely to launch another (or two) Exynos refresh before the 5250.

4212 seems like the most likely candidate for SGS3. A9, die shrink and a ~50% higher clocked Mali 400 compared to the 4210's GPU.

With spring/summer lineups indicating devices featuring Samsung Exynos refresh and Qualcomm's "fake A15" custom cores with Adreno 225, A15 and Mali T-604/Adreno 320 seem far away.

Maybe ipad3 could boost competing and accelerate the arrival of next gen parts but it's not looking good, not for H1 2012 at least. I would be more optimistic about summer next gen parts should the OMAP4470 arrive before March. From a performance enthusiast perspective it is disappointing indeed. Less than 3 weeks away from 2012, I fail to get excited about any A9 parts and it looks like we'll get a fair share of those "oldies" throughout H1 2012.

Considering how hard it is to match up a favorite SoC with a favorite OEM, with favorable designs/features and last but not least, with a favorable carrier, it's not looking good at this point.
 
After researching around for some time, my speculation is that Samsung Galaxy S3 would probably be Exynos 5250 with Mali T-604 because Samsung mention that they are sampling it and that it will go into production in Q2 2012.

If you look at the Linux Kernel development, they have started on Exynos5 and would reuse most of Exynos4 code.

My guess is that Exynos 4212 would probably go into Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini.

http://www.digipedia.pl/usenet/thread/18820/7163/
"But since upcoming Samsung's SoCs such as EXYNOS5 (ARM Cortex A15) can reuse most codes in current mach-exynos4, one mach-exynos directory will be used for them."

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...o?news_id=1267

"The Exynos 5250 is currently sampling to customers and is scheduled for mass-production in the second quarter of 2012."

For this reason the Samsung Galaxy S3 would probably be launched around June/July 2012.
 
I would say the chances of 4212 being in Galaxy S3 would be almost zero unless they plan to release another flagship before the end of 2012. Iphone 5 is almost guaranteed (even Anand believes it) to be using Cortex A-15. Samsung is not going to release a SOC for their 2012 flagship that would be obsolete in a couple of months. Galaxy S was competitive until Tegra 2 (and went head to head GPU wise) and Galaxy S2 is still competitive now until Tegra 3/Krait phones come out

Its not their style
 
Rick James Astley said:
Qualcomm's roadmap indicates Adreno 225 first before we see the Adreno 320, sometime between late 2012/early 2013, just as Samsung is likely to launch another (or two) Exynos refresh before the 5250.

4212 seems like the most likely candidate for SGS3. A9, die shrink and a ~50% higher clocked Mali 400 compared to the 4210's GPU.
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Considering how hard it is to match up a favorite SoC with a favorite OEM, with favorable designs/features and last but not least, with a favorable carrier, it's not looking good at this point.
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The released info shows several dual core Kraits with Adreno 225, one quad with Areno 320 and one Single core Krait with Adreno 305. Just for laughs theres no release dates on any of them. Dual core with 320 is what we actually want from them. :shrug:

sharmadeepak said:
After researching around for some time, my speculation is that Samsung Galaxy S3 would probably be Exynos 5250 with Mali T-604 because Samsung mention that they are sampling it and that it will go into production in Q2 2012.

If you look at the Linux Kernel development, they have started on Exynos5 and would reuse most of Exynos4 code.

My guess is that Exynos 4212 would probably go into Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini.

http://www.digipedia.pl/usenet/thread/18820/7163/
"But since upcoming Samsung's SoCs such as EXYNOS5 (ARM Cortex A15) can reuse most codes in current mach-exynos4, one mach-exynos directory will be used for them."

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...o?news_id=1267

"The Exynos 5250 is currently sampling to customers and is scheduled for mass-production in the second quarter of 2012."

For this reason the Samsung Galaxy S3 would probably be launched around June/July 2012.
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While good news, that press release also says it was designed for high-end tablets. :shrug: A pentaband Exynos 5250 superphone would probably be enough for me to upgrade my almost brand new TMoUS SGSII.
 
ilkhan said:
The released info shows several dual core Kraits with Adreno 225, one quad with Areno 320 and one Single core Krait with Adreno 305. Just for laughs theres no release dates on any of them. Dual core with 320 is what we actually want from them. :shrug:


While good news, that press release also says it was designed for high-end tablets. :shrug: A pentaband Exynos 5250 superphone would probably be enough for me to upgrade my almost brand new TMoUS SGSII.
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Official Qualcomm slides indicated Q3/Q4 2012 for the good stuff. Past & present Adreno offerings have proven to be anemic and paled in comparison with competition. Adreno 225 looks comparable to SGX543 on paper but I can't justify buying a inferior part in 2012 hence I feel inclined to wait for the 3xx models.

Should the SGS3 feature the Exynos 5250, I would definitely get it but it doesn't seem likely. I already set aside some $700 for it, just in case Samsung decides to skip the refreshes. Such a phone would be hot enough to go for even if it means only having EDGE on T-Mobile, should it be incompatible with AWS bands.
 
I have a TMo SGSII now, so I'm not in any hurry. Yeah, I wouldn't touch a Krait/225 phone, but it seems like 5250 and krait/3xx will be coming out at approximately the same time if they stay on schedule.

5250 is *not* supposed to have the big.little thing, right?
 
ilkhan said:
I have a TMo SGSII now, so I'm not in any hurry. Yeah, I wouldn't touch a Krait/225 phone, but it seems like 5250 and krait/3xx will be coming out at approximately the same time if they stay on schedule.

5250 is *not* supposed to have the big.little thing, right?
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I think you are right, 5250's architecture isn't big little, it apears TI and Qualcomm will be first there.

From what I read, Qualcomm will push parts with Adreno 225 beginning with H2 2012 and the 3xx ones towards the end of the year. From Qualcomm's perspective, it makes little sense to hut their own 225 line up with 3xx parts.
 
Neither TI or Qualcomm will be using big.little technology in 2012. OMAP 5 will have 2 M4 processors but they dont help with general computing, only aid in imaging. Qualcomm will be using quadcores that can individually scale depending on how much power you need

big.little involves using a custom ARM A7 core that will handle general computing while A-15 handles the more powerful stuff. A Samsung spokesperson said in an interview they will be releasing a chip using big.little sometime in 2012.
 
ilkhan said:
Uses an A7 core for low power usage when you don't need much processing, uses A15 core(s) when you do. A7 being very power efficient, its going to be a big deal for battery life.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4991/...alcore-more-power-efficient-highend-devices/2
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Don't see anything worth hyping about.
Seems to me like it's a waste of die space.
Why not use that extra space to create more efficient A15 cores instead and use power gating/voltage/speed step techniques that Intel/AMD uses? If Intel were to adopt this big.little strategy, wouldn't this be like Intel putting a Pentium 4 core with a Sandy Bridge chip and claim not everyone needs much processing but if you do it uses Sandy Bridge? A Pentium 4 Northwood core developed on a 32nm process today should be pretty efficient.

We shall see I guess...
 
The point is that when the phone is idle or just doing background tasks the power hungry A15 cores can be turned off and use the power sipping A7 core.
Essentially, small and super efficient is less power hungry than large and efficient.
 
Rick James Astley said:
Exynos 5250 sounds too good to be true and the source for the story is BGR. I would welcome Samsung skipping the 4212 and 4412 and heading straight to a complete next gen part but that's not how the industry works.
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For what it's worth, they very well may have made parts but decided to scrap a mass production run for one reason or another. Just because they aren't shipping products with chips doesn't mean that they didn't go through the design effort or learn anything in the process.
 
I guess we'll know for sure @MWC, 8 weeks from today. If the 5250 does power the SGS3, for me it's just a matter of waiting until the initial astronomical prices comes down to an acceptable level.

It's still possible that Samsung may screw the phone up but unlikely. Redo the SGS2 with new chip and display and take my money, Samsung.
 
Rick James Astley said:
It's still possible that Samsung may screw the phone up but unlikely. Redo the SGS2 with new chip and display and take my money, Samsung.
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Its their flagship phone for 2012. And its Samsung. Of course they'll find a way to screw it up. 🙁
They'll probably skin ICS on it. Of course, if they wanted to win the undying love of the enthusiast community they could post a pure AOSP ROM on their site (or leak it) too. :shrug:
 
I asked Eldar a few days back if the processor in SGS3 will be 4412 or 5250. This is the answer that he gave me http://imgur.com/sqeBk

We can't know which one for sure, but an intelligent guess would be they'd follow whatever Apple does and if Anand thinks Apple is going to go with dual core A15, then I hope and wish Samsung would do the same!
 
"Both versions are exist"
At least he's succinct. 🙂

I'd really prefer the 5250. Oh well, we won't know until MWC. The horrible usage of "are" makes we wonder if he means "do" or "will".
 
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Haha, his English isn't very good. So you can safely assume that he meant both versions exist. Yes, I really do hope SGS3 will have Exynos 5250 and a Super AMOLED HD Plus display . lol.
 
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Me as well. Finances (and frequency bands) allowing I'm planning on getting an international SGS3 to replace my TMo SGSII. One nice thing about GSM and no contract, its much easier to switch phones.
 
Samsung is in a rather interesting bind for 2012. There's a very good chance that the SGS III that they announce at MWC 2012 will have the Exynos 4412 (Quad core A9), but it will be at the top for 6 months, at best. We also know that the Exynos 5250 (Dual core A15) will be ready for mass production during Q2 2012, but likely wouldn't be in shipping phones until Q3 2012 (which makes an MWC announcement rather silly). Or that chip may even be strictly for tablets for Windows 8...

So that begs the question, are we going to see two flagship phones from Samsung in 2012?
 
dagamer34 said:
Samsung is in a rather interesting bind for 2012. There's a very good chance that the SGS III that they announce at MWC 2012 will have the Exynos 4412 (Quad core A9), but it will be at the top for 6 months, at best. We also know that the Exynos 5250 (Dual core A15) will be ready for mass production during Q2 2012, but likely wouldn't be in shipping phones until Q3 2012 (which makes an MWC announcement rather silly). Or that chip may even be strictly for tablets for Windows 8...

So that begs the question, are we going to see two flagship phones from Samsung in 2012?
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I hope so. If the SGSIII announced at MWC doesn't have the 5250 I won't be grabbing it immediately. My SGSII isn't lacking badly. Hell, long as it gets ICS it'll last until Q3-Q4 just fine.
 
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