Next Gen Exynos laughs at your Tegra 3

[sour07]

I've read a couple articles mentioning the SGS3 with 1.8-2.0GHZ quad core processor being released very soon, so it could very much be true. If it is I'm getting it.

 

[Fire&Blood]

Interesting, german sites talk about a display issue being the cause for the delay, negating the synced world wide launch as reason behind this move.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/25/2733022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-mwc-rumor

 

[dagamer34]

i remember samsung annonced a 2ghz dual-core smartphone for early 2012 release (most likely the upcoming SGSIII)
http://mashable.com/2011/04/18/samsung-2ghz-dual-core-smartphone-2012/

so if it has 2ghz dual-core processor, why can't it be the exynos 5250 all u guys are talking about?

as far as i know it's also a 2ghz clocked dual-core SoC....also in that same link above, the samsung guy says ''This product will have the data processing capacities of a regular PC''

in the official press release for the new 5250 chip, it says:

"Designed specifically for high-end tablets"

but specifically doesn't translate to ''ONLY'', now does it?
All it means is that it was designed for tablets, not that it can't be used for smartphones...

there may be a chance samsung could put this in the SGSIII also, which i really hope.

what do you think?

The Exynos 5250 won't hit mass production until Q2, so unless they are launching in June, you'd be talking about a Q3 product launch. Possible, but less likely.

 

[Bateluer]

The Exynos 5250 won't hit mass production until Q2, so unless they are launching in June, you'd be talking about a Q3 product launch. Possible, but less likely.

Rumor is that Samsung won't be announcing the SGS3 at MWC2012 though.

 

[Bateluer]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5467/samsung-exynos-5250-begins-sampling-mass-production-in-q2-2012

Sampling now.

Back in November, Samsung announced its next generation Exynos 5250 SoC based on ARM’s Cortex-A15 architecture. Samsung dropped the ball today during its earnings call that the Exynos 5250 has begun sampling and should hit mass production in Q2 2012

Just to recap, the Exynos 5250 is a 32nm dual-core Cortex-A15 SoC running at 2.0 Ghz. Memory bandwidth is a staggering 12.8 GB/s and allows it to drive up to WQXGA (2560x1600) resolution displays. As we reported back in November, compute performance should easily be twice that of the 1.5Ghz dual-core Cortex-A9-based Exynos 4210 and graphics performance is expected to be a four-fold improvement.

However, not much is known about the GPU at this moment; but if the Exynos 4210 was anything to go by, we could see ARM's Mali T-604 based on their new Midgard architecture handling the pixel pushing duties. The Exynos 4210 packed a Mali-400 MP4 GPU, while its predescessor, Hummingbird, used a PowerVR SGX540 GPU. Samsung does have licenses to other GPU designs from ARM and Imagination Technologies, so at this point, the GPU in the Exynos 5250 could be anybody's guess.

 

[ilkhan]

Damnit. Much as I was planning on grabbing a SGSIII as soon as its available with Tmo freqs, I actually love my SGSII. Maybe I'll wait for a Big.Little SoC. :/ Damn ye, finances!

Oh, but, very good news on the 5250.

 

[Headcase_Fargone]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5467/samsung-exynos-5250-begins-sampling-mass-production-in-q2-2012

Sampling now.

Production in Q2, so I guess we can expect devices in our hands... what? Q4?

 

[Fire&Blood]

Word is there won't be a SGS3 announcement at MWC.
Word is that the reason is a display problem, with few insiders claiming they know they the precise issue but can't speak on it yet.
But, word is also that Samsung wants to "unify" it's SGS3 launch dates, they followed Apple's lead before?

So which word is which?

If the SGS3 is delayed by 3-4 months, it's very likely to feature the Exynos 5250.

 

[dagamer34]

Production in Q2, so I guess we can expect devices in our hands... what? Q4?

Q2-Q3, though at this point, I think the display will be harder to produce that the chip.

 

[ilkhan]

Probably having issues with the 72p RGB stripe.

 

[sarav]

I have gone back and forth on this, but the recent announcements that the SGS3 announcement will be delayed and only be available in May/June has convinced me that the SGS3 will indeed use an Exynos 5250 and not 4412. Exynos 5250 is sampling now and will mass produced in Q2, which is when SGS3 will be released (or Q3 if the release gets delayed by a couple of months).

Also there are rumours of the Exynos 5250 using Power VR 6xx series GPU instead of Mali. Things will get clearer when the next gen Galaxy Tab gets announced in MWC this month.

Speculation in the rumour threads at XDA, best case scenarios
SGS 3 - Exynos 5250 - dual core A15 with Pover VR 6xx GPU
SGS 2+ or something - Exynos 4412 - quad core A9 with Mali T604

Conservative estimates
5250 will use a Mali T604 GPU and 4412 will use an overclocked Mali 400 or Mali 400x2 (a la Pover VR 543 MP2)

 

[jiffylube1024]

I'd take a 1.5Ghz quad core A9 based SOC over a dual core 2Ghz A15 setup any day of the week for exactly the same reason I'd take a 1Ghz dual core over a 1.5Ghz single core.

Erm, would you take a dual-core Pentium D over Core 2 Solo?

The A15's have better IPC compared to the A9's iirc.

Considering it has both a higher clock and higher IPC, why you'd take the quad is beyond me.

In today's world a Pentium D would destroy a Core 2 Solo. A single core is utterly unacceptable in a modern PC. I do not like my entire machine being locked up busy if I run one application. That is why I like multicore.

Your argument fell off the rails there. First you were saying you'd rather a quad core A9 based SOC over a dual core A15, then you were talking about how a single core chip is unacceptable in today's multitasking computing. That's a strawman argument; you're yanking around the target that you're aiming at.

A dual core chip negates the lock-ups caused by a single core processor, and a higher IPC dual core can easily outperform a quad core setup.

 

[lothar]

Tegra 3 has 100% more cores than this new Exynos, not 50% more so the Phenom II to SB comparison is invalid. Comparing an 8 core Bulldozer to a 4 core Sandybridge is not valid either because each core on Bulldozer takes a pretty large step back in performance compared to what was out while Tegra 3's 4 cores are state of the art as of now. Single thread performance in order of best to worst goes something like i7(SB), i7(Nehalem), Core 2 Penryn, Core 2 Conroe, Phenom II, Bulldozer.

A better comparison would be an 8 core Nehalem vs a 4 core Sandybridge.

I'm pretty sure A15 cores will blow the A9 cores out of the water. Comparing dual core A15 to quad core A9 won't affect the results.

It's not just going to be a ~10-15% IPC improvement clock for clock that is typical of desktop chips like Nehalem is to SandyBridge.
Keep thinking that though.

 

[dagamer34]

I have gone back and forth on this, but the recent announcements that the SGS3 announcement will be delayed and only be available in May/June has convinced me that the SGS3 will indeed use an Exynos 5250 and not 4412. Exynos 5250 is sampling now and will mass produced in Q2, which is when SGS3 will be released (or Q3 if the release gets delayed by a couple of months).

Also there are rumours of the Exynos 5250 using Power VR 6xx series GPU instead of Mali. Things will get clearer when the next gen Galaxy Tab gets announced in MWC this month.

Speculation in the rumour threads at XDA, best case scenarios
SGS 3 - Exynos 5250 - dual core A15 with Pover VR 6xx GPU
SGS 2+ or something - Exynos 4412 - quad core A9 with Mali T604

Conservative estimates
5250 will use a Mali T604 GPU and 4412 will use an overclocked Mali 400 or Mali 400x2 (a la Pover VR 543 MP2)

I'm very wary of predictions that have the 5250 in a phone, as Samsung has clearly positioned it as a tablet chip in its press releases. I would think that production would be limited since Samsung hasn't made any shipping 32nm or Cortex-A15 chips yet. It would be remarkably ambitious.