Next election, will you trust major media and polls?

[Texashiker]

Major media along with so called unbiased polling services showed shillary trouncing donald.

CNN said hillary had an 80% chance of winning.

huffpost predicted shillary would win 303 electoral votes.

Poll, after poll, after poll,,,, showed hillary winning. The electrical college was not even close.

Next election will yall who spout off "the polls show this and that", will you put your full faith in polls?

Have your eyes been opened that the media was against donald trump? Are you accepting the fact that the people were lied to?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Won't trust the voters that's for sure.

 

[IronWing]

Still no job, eh?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Major media along with so called unbiased polling services showed shillary trouncing donald.

CNN said hillary had an 80% chance of winning.

huffpost predicted shillary would win 303 electoral votes.

Poll, after poll, after poll,,,, showed hillary winning. The electrical college was not even close.

Next election will yall who spout off "the polls show this and that", will you put your full faith in polls?

Have your eyes been opened that the media was against donald trump? Are you accepting the fact that the people were lied to?

Tip of the hat to you TH, this is a very sensible, and logical question to ask considering how utterly wrong most polls were. My faith in polls and polling will never be the same, that's for damn sure.
But you have to admit that BOTH sides touted polling when it favored their candidate, there are countless threads on this forum alone that prove that, some from you and some from me.

But I FIRMLY disagree with you that the media was against drumpf.
That asshole got 2.8 billion dollars worth of free, unpaid for, airtime. TWO POINT EIGHT BILLION.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-has-gotten-nearly-3-billion-in-free-advertising-2016-05-06
CBS Execs were caught on tape saying how good he was for ratings. So no, under no circumstances was the media against drumpf.

 

[PokerGuy]

I personally think the polls got it wrong because the lefties made it such that people kept their support for Trump to themselves. I mean, how can you support Hitler!?!? You must be a racist/sexist/misogynist/intolerant/bigot if you don't support illary! The pollsters will tweak their models and make adjustments to refine their models.

The media on the other hand lost a ton of credibility. Their heavy bias to the left, to the point where they were working directly as a propaganda arm of the DNC was there for all to see. Sad that it takes Russian hackers to expose the reality of our media. The good news is people are finally starting to wake up to the reality of what most of the media really is.

So do I trust polls and media? Polls, yes. Media, no.

 

[Sonikku]

I personally believed Nate Silver's estimate that pegged Trump as having a 35% chance to win. 35% is not 0%, it's one in three. (which is a very real possibility of victory) If you look into his reasoning, he states the reasons why Hillary had a far lower chance than Obama did four and eight years ago and elaborating about the factors that are impossible to predict with absolutely certainty from just polling.

 

[Texashiker]

Still no job, eh?

I have a job, I work from home. Would rather not share the details in public, but let's say I make more than enough to pay my bills and have some extra.

20 years ago I had this idea of starting a company. When I left the tugboat I followed the dream I have had for 20 years. So far things are working out.

My kids are grown, my home is paid for, I am mostly debt free (I have a $400 loan I am paying on), I am living the life I have wanted to live for a long time.

 

[PokerGuy]

But I FIRMLY disagree with you that the media was against drumpf.
That asshole got 2.8 billion dollars worth of free, unpaid for, airtime. TWO POINT EIGHT BILLION.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-has-gotten-nearly-3-billion-in-free-advertising-2016-05-06
CBS Execs were caught on tape saying how good he was for ratings. So no, under no circumstances was the media against drumpf.

The media was absolutely against Trump. However, $$ trumps (pardon the pun) ideology. As much as they would have liked to ignore him, they could not. He moved the ratings needle, pure and simple. Being forced to cover him, they predictably started covering everything he does in the most negative light possible, referring to him as a joke or worse, thinking "hey, this is a win-win, we get a ratings boost from covering this guy 24x7, and we crush him so our wonderful queen can take office!". Well, they got the ratings boost, but their negative coverage actually helped him instead of hurting him. The rest is history.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The media was absolutely against Trump. However, $$ trumps (pardon the pun) ideology. As much as they would have liked to ignore him, they could not. He moved the ratings needle, pure and simple. Being forced to cover him, they predictably started covering everything he does in the most negative light possible, referring to him as a joke or worse, thinking "hey, this is a win-win, we get a ratings boost from covering this guy 24x7, and we crush him so our wonderful queen can take office!". Well, they got the ratings boost, but their negative coverage actually helped him instead of hurting him. The rest is history.

If they were actually against him the $$ would not have mattered. Then again, the media, for the most part is a bunch of vapid, money grubbing fucksticks.
So you have no problem with a candidate pimping his steaks, and water, etc, during a presidential press conference? That's pretty telling.

 

[boomerang]

I have a job, I work from home. Would rather not share the details public, but let's say I make more than enough to pay my bills and have some extra.

20 years ago I had this idea of starting a company. When I left the tugboat I followed the dream I have had for 20 years. So far things are working out.

My kids are grown, my home is paid for, I am mostly debt free (I have a $400 loan I am paying on), I am living the life I have wanted to live for a long time.

Good for you and you have my respect for not knuckling under to these immature bullies.

As to your question, I have never trusted the media - ever. They learned a long time ago that they wielded enormous power and that they could influence huge masses of people that would accept what they were told at face value. I was raised to suspect everything and I do. As far as the pollsters, I learned in this election that they either decided that they could influence people too or they decided to take payoffs to skew the results they then provided. It's neither here nor there which it is, but they too are now not to be taken seriously along with their friends in the media.

 

[PokerGuy]

If they were actually against him the $$ would not have mattered. Then again, the media, for the most part is a bunch of vapid, money grubbing f*cksticks.

That's exactly what I said: money trumps ideology. They had disdain for Trump, but covering him brought in money so they had no choice but to do it.

So you have no problem with a candidate pimping his steaks, and water, etc, during a presidential press conference? That's pretty telling.

I have no idea, I didn't see the press conference or hear anything about it.

The vilification chickens are coming home to roost for the lefties. You spend a year vilifying the guy and telling everyone he is Hitler. Now that he's been elected, when he actually does bad things, makes bad appointments, doesn't properly distance himself from his business ventures etc etc, you're just not going to move the outrage needle anymore telling us how bad he is. Sorry, that ship has sailed. To most people it just sounds like the same old typical drivel. Political "boy who cried wolf" issue.

 

[vi edit]

As far as polls go, 75 electoral votes for Trump were decided between 220k'ish total votes. Between undecideds, 3rd party and those that simply decided not to show up it's hard to account for that narrow of a margin. Silver was the closest and he's still slammed for it. Whatever. It's all high stakes guessing and with as wild as a election cycle and final couple weeks that we had I don't think anyone *really* expected that. Lots of hope one way or the other. Sure. But I don't think anyone *really* expected Trump to carry PA, MI and WI. And that's on both sides of the isle.

That being said, next election I hope the focus is on policy. And holding candidates accountable for policy. Trump won selling the world to the disillusioned. In four years it's on the media to validate if he met those promises. It's on the media to force challengers to provide a better alternative and a reasonable plan for getting there.

It's on us a voters to take the time and actually educate ourselves and understand what exactly it is we are voting in. Buyers remorse on these things are 4 years +/- another 20 or more on legacy damage. Vote with your brain and not your heart. Feelings don't fix problems.

 

[PokerGuy]

As far as the pollsters, I learned in this election that they either decided that they could influence people too or they decided to take payoffs to skew the results they then provided. It's neither here nor there which it is, but they too are now not to be taken seriously along with their friends in the media.

I disagree. Pollsters make their money with accuracy. In the real world, $$$ almost always trumps ideology. The pollsters weren't wrong because of some ideology driven conspiracy to make it look like illary was going to win, they got it wrong for a variety of reasons and they will tweak their modeling accordingly.

 

[Kazukian]

I'll trust them less, not seeing any changes despite them being caught, I suspect they'll do the same again with less or encrypted emails, and more phone calls.

As vocal as the left has been after the election, I think the conservatives will be even less forthcoming with their plans.

 

[PokerGuy]

That being said, next election I hope the focus is on policy. And holding candidates accountable for policy. Trump won selling the world to the disillusioned. In four years it's on the media to validate if he met those promises. It's on the media to force challengers to provide a better alternative and a reasonable plan for getting there.

The media were already exposed as lying shills and the propaganda arm for the DNC. I don't see how they can hold anyone accountable for anything if they themselves have zero credibility.

It's on us a voters to take the time and actually educate ourselves and understand what exactly it is we are voting in. Buyers remorse on these things are 4 years +/- another 20 or more on legacy damage. Vote with your brain and not your heart. Feelings don't fix problems.

Voting with your brain instead of your heart doesn't mean a darn thing when you have two really bad options. Either way you're voting for a terrible candidate.

 

[dank69]

The media were already exposed as lying shills and the propaganda arm for the DNC. I don't see how they can hold anyone accountable for anything if they themselves have zero credibility.

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No, conservative media sources tell you this is true but they don't actually have any evidence. You just accept it as true because it tells you what you want to hear and then you shit it out all over the forums.

 

[PokerGuy]

No, conservative media sources tell you this is true but they don't actually have any evidence. You just accept it as true because it tells you what you want to hear and then you shit it out all over the forums.

I don't need "conservative media sources" to tell me this is true when I turn on the TV or read on the internet every day and can see it with my own eyes. Also, last I checked, all the emails showing the media working with the illary campaign and the DNC didn't come from "conservative media sources". Nice try though.

 

[dank69]

I don't need "conservative media sources" to tell me this is true when I turn on the TV or read on the internet every day and can see it with my own eyes. Also, last I checked, all the emails showing the media working with the illary campaign and the DNC didn't come from "conservative media sources". Nice try though.

All the emails, huh? I guess it should be easy for you to produce a few of these emails then.

 

[vi edit]

The media were already exposed as lying shills and the propaganda arm for the DNC. I don't see how they can hold anyone accountable for anything if they themselves have zero credibility.

Voting with your brain instead of your heart doesn't mean a darn thing when you have two really bad options. Either way you're voting for a terrible candidate.

Really? Lying shills? Can you be a little more dramatic? If you want to go that direction lets tall about the shitposting and outright fabricated articles solicited to Trump Supporters if you want get pedantic. There was such an emphasis on "non-college educated" voters when the real issue was uneducated voters. AKA - no clue on the impact of their vote or what a candidate really stood for or could do. That was the real story this election. I live in Kentucky and I've got waves of people in the poorer parts of the state now worried that they won't have health care. And they voted for him in huge numbers. Well, what did you really expect? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Knowing what you will get for your vote and buyers remorse provided by it. Those are things the media should be addressing. Impacts of your vote and what they really mean to you. Oh but here's some article showing in my Facebook feed that Hillary crucified a baby at the alter of clean energy. MUST BE TRUE!!!

 

[cubby1223]

You won't be able to trust the polls for some time to come. The Democratic Party will continue to brand themselves as the anti-discrimination party, regardless of whether or not (1) they are achieving anti-discrimination, & (2) the opposition is discrimination.

Smart people have already learned to not open their mouths unless anything is absolutely necessary to convey.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't need "conservative media sources" to tell me this is true when I turn on the TV or read on the internet every day and can see it with my own eyes. Also, last I checked, all the emails showing the media working with the illary campaign and the DNC didn't come from "conservative media sources". Nice try though.

Exactly! PokerGuy doesn't need evidence, he knows what he knows. He's already shown numerous times that he's immune to evidence that threatens his bubble. Last time he was asked about this he provided his 'proof' that, if you accepted it at face value, was the media conspiring AGAINST the most liberal candidate. He somehow thought this proved the liberal bias of the media, which is pretty amusing.

 

[fskimospy]

Major media along with so called unbiased polling services showed shillary trouncing donald.

CNN said hillary had an 80% chance of winning.

huffpost predicted shillary would win 303 electoral votes.

Poll, after poll, after poll,,,, showed hillary winning. The electrical college was not even close.

Next election will yall who spout off "the polls show this and that", will you put your full faith in polls?

Have your eyes been opened that the media was against donald trump? Are you accepting the fact that the people were lied to?

Those polls were of the popular vote for the most part, which she did in fact win pretty comfortably. In fact the polling error for this year on the popular vote was smaller than in 2012. So yes, you would have to be stupid not to view public opinion polls as the best evidence available. They won't be right 100% of the time but by looking at them in an objective, analytical way you will be right more often than any other method.

Also, bonus points for the 'electrical college'.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I have a job, I work from home. Would rather not share the details in public, but let's say I make more than enough to pay my bills and have some extra.

20 years ago I had this idea of starting a company. When I left the tugboat I followed the dream I have had for 20 years. So far things are working out.

My kids are grown, my home is paid for, I am mostly debt free (I have a $400 loan I am paying on), I am living the life I have wanted to live for a long time.

Glad to hear it. I've always taken polls with a grain of salt, especially when the media portray one side (the right) as some kind of monster or buffoon. In this last election only a masochist would admit to supporting Trump in some venues. Only someone that wanted their home vandalized would have had a yard sign supporting Trump and only someone not concerned with getting their car keyed would have a Trump bumper sticker. The level of hatred and violence directed at the Republicans and conservatives in this last election cycle have never been seen...............well, until the next election.

 

[agent00f]

Really? Lying shills? Can you be a little more dramatic? If you want to go that direction lets tall about the shitposting and outright fabricated articles solicited to Trump Supporters if you want get pedantic. There was such an emphasis on "non-college educated" voters when the real issue was uneducated voters. AKA - no clue on the impact of their vote or what a candidate really stood for or could do. That was the real story this election. I live in Kentucky and I've got waves of people in the poorer parts of the state now worried that they won't have health care. And they voted for him in huge numbers. Well, what did you really expect? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Knowing what you will get for your vote and buyers remorse provided by it. Those are things the media should be addressing. Impacts of your vote and what they really mean to you. Oh but here's some article showing in my Facebook feed that Hillary crucified a baby at the alter of clean energy. MUST BE TRUE!!!

Worth noting the smarter ones (and they're smarter than they look) know they're propagating lies, but that's less important than winning.

 

[fskimospy]

Glad to hear it. I've always taken polls with a grain of salt, especially when the media portray one side (the right) as some kind of monster or buffoon. In this last election only a masochist would admit to supporting Trump in some venues. Only someone that wanted their home vandalized would have had a yard sign supporting Trump and only someone not concerned with getting their car keyed would have a Trump bumper sticker. The level of hatred and violence directed at the Republicans and conservatives in this last election cycle have never been seen...............well, until the next election.

Conservatives sound very oppressed. I hope they will be okay.