Next election, will you trust major media and polls?

[fskimospy]

If you want to really count votes,lets remove all the dead and ineligible voters that voted for Hillary. I bet it was more than 2 million,ok?

Do you now. How much do you want to bet and what are the standards of evidence we're going to use?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There were 3 million votes cast by illegal unregistered voters , so actually Trump won both parts.

Yea, you need to cite the fvck outta that statement.
Equally plausible, 43 million mentally challenged non-us citizens voted internationally for drumpf. That's how that fucktard won.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There were 3 million votes cast by illegal unregistered voters , so actually Trump won both parts.

Lol let me guess. Alex Jones told you so right? You're going to need sources for this claim.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yet he still won! Despite all the voter fraud the DNC could muster and the biased media.

This is America after all!

Yes, for the umpteenth time, he won. Congrats, you get the president you deserve. your childish gloating and incessant ragging on it only solidifies an already irrefutable fact, drump supporters, by and large are ill-informed (he loves the poorly educated), childish boors.

 

[vi edit]

If you get that for a argument then I get to submit GOP voter suppression rules and the targeted attacks on young and minority voters. We'll call it a draw.

 

[sportage]

Next election, will you trust major media and polls?

Oh I'm sure just one election won't put pollsters out of business. If this happened 3 or 4 times, maybe, but not with just one election screw-up.
And too, I think there was a mass Trump conspiracy to skunk the polls.
Say no, or say Hillary when they will vote Trump.

Also, I would imagine it's hard to poll with so many unlisted cell numbers, and so few land lines.
Above all of that, this time we had the celebrity thing going on. People think "gawd I hate what Trump did or said, but then again he's a celebrity."
So after Trump said nasty things people leaned Hillary, then 24 hours back to Trump "the TV star".

This was a screwy election.
Things came into play that no poll could predict.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So in answer to the original post, liberals/Democrats/progressives/Communists are still going to believe and trust in their media and their polls. While conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/independents are going to have very little trust in them. Post answered.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

If you get that for a argument then I get to submit GOP voter suppression rules and the targeted attacks on young and minority voters. We'll call it a draw.

Of course! When i went to the polls and had to show my drivers license and the poll worker pulled the label off and i signed it so i could cast a legal vote ........I felt so SUPPRESSED! It was agony! I may never, ever vote again!

 

[vi edit]

So in answer to the original post, liberals/Democrats/progressives/Communists are still going to believe and trust in their media and their polls. While conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/independents are going to have very little trust in them. Post answered.

Why does it have to be so binary? There's a lot of room between "Don't Trust" and "Trust". From media reporting to polling it's up to the reader to discern slant. I find CNN unreadable. If for no other reason that's it's converted into a click bait, cess pool of crap. Their election night coverage was spot on and John King did an excellent job for what that is worth. I find the same thing with Fox news and and it's obvious bias. I do however enjoy NYT and the work that goes into a lot of their stuff. Same for The Atlantic and their writing. The Atlantic has an obvious "liberal" bias but it's scathing to anyone when appropriate. I don't form opinions from everything I read nor do I let myself get caught up in sound bites. There were multiple times I went and listened to the full context of things to make sure I heard it on my own. Everyone else should do the same.

 

[Texashiker]

Trump won selling the world to the disillusioned.

I respectfully disagree. trump won because he addressed the issues people wanted to talk about.

Hillary lost because she fear mongered, rather than addressing the issues.

Example:

Hype - Hillary talked a lot about pay inequality. She promised when she is president women will make as much as men.

Fact - There is already a federal law on the books that ensures pay equality. It is the equal pay act of 1963. The law is being used in courts to sue companies who discriminate.

Hillary played on the emotions of minorities and women to gain their votes.

Hillary never detailed balancing trade with china, she never detailed ending tax havens.

Trump proposed realistic solutions to boost the economy.

Please explain exactly "how" trump sold the world to the disillusioned.

 

[fskimospy]

All western media is garbage.Better off with RT and Liveleaks.
All the western outlets do is take the base AP article and put a little English on it.

Trump supporter parody account confirmed? Nobody is stupid enough to actually believe RT.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The New York Times "rededicates itself" I can see why you still believe in them, but why would you expect conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians and independents to have faith in them?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-rededicate-itself-to-reporting-honestly.html

The difference is that most conservatives have no trouble pointing out that Fox news is biased. The problem arises when most Democrats/liberals lie about their media of choice and try to claim there is no bias.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I respectfully disagree. trump won because he addressed the issues people wanted to talk about.

Hillary lost because she fear mongered, rather than addressing the issues.

Example:

Hype - Hillary talked a lot about pay inequality. She promised when she is president women will make as much as men.

Fact - There is already a federal law on the books that ensures pay equality. It is the equal pay act of 1963. The law is being used in courts to sue companies who discriminate.

Hillary played on the emotions of minorities and women to gain their votes.

Hillary never detailed balancing trade with china, she never detailed ending tax havens.

Trump proposed realistic solutions to boost the economy.

Please explain exactly "how" trump sold the world to the disillusioned.

You know you had a decent somewhat sane approach to this thread, and then you went and toothlessed it up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schultz_v_Wheaton_Glass_Co.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalez_v._Abercrombie_&_Fitch_Stores,_Inc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pao_v._Kleiner_Perkins

drumpf provided cheering, and rah-rah sessions. exactly how he was going to bring jobs back was never fully fleshed out. and if you think drumpf will be hard on corporations or banks.. hahahahahahaha. Ok.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trump supporter parody account confirmed? Nobody is stupid enough to actually believe RT.

well, not NOBODY.. some folks here clearly read that as gospel

 

[fskimospy]

The New York Times "rededicates itself" I can see why you still believe in them, but why would you expect conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians and independents to have faith in them?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-rededicate-itself-to-reporting-honestly.html

The difference is that most conservatives have no trouble pointing out that Fox news is biased. The problem arises when most Democrats/liberals lie about their media of choice and try to claim there is no bias.

Lol, nice job on the selective quoting by Fox.

 

[Svnla]

<<---------- Trust no one. Verify everyone.

 

[fskimospy]

Unfortunately they print more truth than western media. I wouldn't go believing them wholeheartedly at all.
With RT, you take the half-truth that they tell and then deduce what's real for yourself.With western media,they're just flat-out lying all the time.

If you're willing to believe Russian state run media and the modern equivalent of Pravda over western media because you've convinced yourself western media is always lying then that's on you.

I find it hard to believe someone is actually that stupid but I've been wrong before! It still seems a lot more like something a parody poster would say as... jesus christ it's Russian state media. What is your position on the Korean Central News Agency? Probably some bold truth tellers there too! hahaha.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

America is going to do better with Trump.Most likely he'll end up being twice as good as Reagan.

well that's a pretty fucking low bar.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yet 10x better than anything since after Reagan's first 70 days.

lol, ok, whatever drumpf-fluffer.

 

[fskimospy]

Yet 10x better than anything since after Reagan's first 70 days.

So Trump is going to be 2,000% better than anything since March of 1981!? Wow, that's super exciting!

This keeps getting funnier.

 

[Pens1566]

I have to know who this rbm is.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You know it's the truth. Name one that Trump won't do better than.

Hoover.

 

[Pens1566]

You know it's the truth. Name one that Trump won't do better than.

Clinton and his job creation, balancing the budget.
Obama and his recovery of the economy.

We'll have much greater deficits/debt, and higher unemployment by the time Trump leaves.

 

[First]

After the final popular vote results are in, the polls will have been off by about 2 pts to the left. The 2012 polls were off by a little more, closer to 3 pts, but to the right (other poll misses in 2008 and before too), so polling misses like that are common. Had the polls been off by 1 pt instead of 2 pts this month, all of MI, PA & WI would have stayed blue and we'd be having a very different conversation. It's also difficult to know how much outside factors like the FBI and Wikileaks had on the election, though probably a good chance it was a real impact. Overall, Clinton was an even weaker candidate than everyone already knew she was, and America showed itself to be enraptured with POTUS personality even more than we already knew. Probably a dozen other conclusions we could draw too but those are just a couple.

Saying you don't trust "the media" is vague and an ignorant dodge, though. It really just depends on the source. If you can't vet sources and actively think folks at the NYT, WSJ, etc. are trying to deceive you because they're part of some unspecified "establishment", you're probably just not that well informed and likely voted Trump anyway. ;-)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hoover came after Reagan? Who knew?



Now THAT is funny! LOLz

my mistake, I was thinking that you meant all presidents. He will be worse than dubya, by a wide margin. Nowhere near as good as Clinton (save for sex scandals, those should be a boon during his fuckery), no where near as good as Obama.