Newt Gingrich: Gingrich: Republicans have 'zero' health care ideas

[Phokus]

You basically just repeat what I said, ask me why I don't understand it, then call me dumb. You are unique son...

You are dumb, and just to elaborate, the GOP has gone further to the right in the aughts that they're rejecting their OWN ideas in from the 90's. Just because the black guy championed it and signed it into law, you guys went NUTS that you even repudiate your own ideas from before. How stupid are you to not understand that this is a problem? When i say you guys have no ideas, i'm clearly talking about the modern day GOP.

 

[cubby1223]

Will you be honest and admit that Obama-care is a true Corpratist-Republican's wet-dream?

Forcing people to buy private insurance? That is so far from liberal idealism it is ludicrous.

It is funny watching the two sides argue about it, when they would be taking the exact opposite positions if the roles were switched.

Are you kidding? My opinion of Obamacare is it is purposefully designed to fail. It is designed to be a stepping stone to full government run payment control.

 

[cubby1223]

You are dumb, and just to elaborate, the GOP has gone further to the right in the aughts that they're rejecting their OWN ideas in from the 90's. Just because the black guy championed it and signed it into law, you guys went NUTS that you even repudiate your own ideas from before. How stupid are you to not understand that this is a problem? When i say you guys have no ideas, i'm clearly talking about the modern day GOP.

You really are full of hatred. You say things as if you know what you're talking about, but all you do is enjoy hating other people.

 

[Phokus]

You really are full of hatred. You say things as if you know what you're talking about, but all you do is enjoy hating other people.

Yes, clearly saying the GOP has no ideas and are obstructionist is 'hateful' and so out of left field that i don't know what i'm talking about, even though any REASONABLE person would agree with that statement. It's so bad even Newt Gingrich woke up to this reality.

When are conservatives going to come out of their bubble and embrace reality? I'm not holding out hope for the near future.

 

[cubby1223]

Yes, clearly saying the GOP has no ideas and are obstructionist is 'hateful' and so out of left field that i don't know what i'm talking about, even though any REASONABLE person would agree with that statement. It's so bad even Newt Gingrich woke up to this reality.

When are conservatives going to come out of their bubble and embrace reality? I'm not holding out hope for the near future.

Look at how you go about spreading your message, this thread and every other thread you create. You are a miserable person. On one hand I feel sorry for you for how miserable you are, while on the other hand am very grateful I don't know you in real life!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Are you kidding? My opinion of Obamacare is it is purposefully designed to fail. It is designed to be a stepping stone to full government run payment control.

"Obamacare" itself cannot fail, because "Obamacare" is merely a small modification to the current quasi-free market health care system. It's the quasi-free market health care part that's going to fail with or without Obamacare. It isn't as though it wasn't already failing before.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

\Where does it say in the constitution that the government must pay for your health care?? And, not only must they pay for it but you MUST have it?

Nowhere. It's nowhere in the Constitution. In fact, enacting real socialized medicine might very well require constitutional reform.

What I wonder, is, why do people believe that the Constitution is some sort of a divine document that lays out the best possible government and government policies? This is the same document that allowed for slavery before it was amended.

Given that the Constitution can allow for bad government, why do so many people mindlessly and retardedly treat the document as though it were the word of God?

 

[frowertr]

Nowhere. It's nowhere in the Constitution. In fact, enacting real socialized medicine might very well require constitutional reform.

What I wonder, is, why do people believe that the Constitution is some sort of a divine document that lays out the best possible government and government policies? This is the same document that allowed for slavery before it was amended.

Given that the Constitution can allow for bad government, why do so many people mindlessly and retardedly treat the document as though it were the word of God?

Comparing constitutional slavery to constitutional health care is a bit of a stretch. All I am saying is that you hear the left (and apparently Newt Gingrich) talk about how the GOP has no answer to Obamacare.

The GOP's answer is simply we don't want it. The majority of Americans polled don't want forced health care.

 

[Incorruptible]

"Obamacare" itself cannot fail, because "Obamacare" is merely a small modification to the current quasi-free market health care system. It's the quasi-free market health care part that's going to fail with or without Obamacare. It isn't as though it wasn't already failing before.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for attacking the Free Market. If you want socialism then go to Europe.

 

[Matt1970]

You are dumb, and just to elaborate, the GOP has gone further to the right in the aughts that they're rejecting their OWN ideas in from the 90's. Just because the black guy championed it and signed it into law, you guys went NUTS that you even repudiate your own ideas from before. How stupid are you to not understand that this is a problem? When i say you guys have no ideas, i'm clearly talking about the modern day GOP.

You are just angry once again because I poked holes in your pathetic argument. I would say you debate on a 3rd grade level but that would be insulting 3rd graders.

 

[jackstar7]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for attacking the Free Market. If you want socialism then go to Europe.

There is no Free Market.

Wrap your head around that.

 

[Incorruptible]

There is no Free Market.

Wrap your head around that.

Right now there isn't though and in partly thanks to obama.

Wrap your head around that.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is no Free Market.

Wrap your head around that.

There never has been. Even in ancient times, govt has always been involved to one degree or another. Markets can't function w/o the protection of govt.

"Free Market" is an oxymoron.

 

[Pulsar]

Keep up the lying. There was no Free Market and government interference caused the crash. I have owned you on this subject and you think you somehow got me. Pathetic.

You 'owned' me on this subject? Care to provide a link to that?

The reason we had a housing crisis is because banks realized that they could make a lot of easy money providing huge home loans to people who couldn't necessarily afford it. They then packaged those loans together into bonds and sold them. The money that came in from the bond sales propagated the cycle.

Regulators both here and in the UK (the housing crisis wasn't just here) did nothing.

This entire mess could have been avoided had the government simply taken medicare/medicaid and translated it so it was available for any age group. Instead we've got yet another complex system to manage and regulate. I don't hate the idea behind health care that is available to all. I just don't trust our politicians to do it right.

Truly 'free markets' are all about companies turning a profit. Dishonesty, fraud, collusion, and other unsavory activities are par for the the course because if they can get away with it they can make even bigger profits.

In a truly 'free market' companies are only as honest as their leaders. Those leaders end up being very dishonest, because let's face it: dishonesty can be very, very profitable. Without anyone to answer to, it becomes a giant cesspool.

There's really no argument for it. If there are no consequences for negative actions, and huge net positives for immoral actions, then people will generally choose immoral actions. The steroid scandal in baseball is another example. Anything to win, and if the regulators can't catch you then it's all good. Track and field. Any other free market is the same way.

You need a dose of reality. When people aren't regulated, they'll do anything to make a profit.

 

[Sonikku]

We object to Obama care because trusting the government with your healthcare is foolhardy. Trusting your healthcare to the corporations instead is a far better alternative. Unlike the government, corporations actually have our personal well being at heart.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You are dumb, and just to elaborate, the GOP has gone further to the right in the aughts that they're rejecting their OWN ideas in from the 90's. Just because the black guy championed it and signed it into law, you guys went NUTS that you even repudiate your own ideas from before. How stupid are you to not understand that this is a problem? When i say you guys have no ideas, i'm clearly talking about the modern day GOP.

Well dumb is relative. Politicians don't waste time becoming educated on an issue. The Republicans should have responded with something worthwhile. The Dems invented something which doesn't do anything to help improve care in substantial way, but apparently some of them want what black guys champion.

My opinion is that a bunch of hack idiots can't come up with a good plan period.

 

[ivwshane]

Well dumb is relative. Politicians don't waste time becoming educated on an issue. The Republicans should have responded with something worthwhile. The Dems invented something which doesn't do anything to help improve care in substantial way, but apparently some of them want what black guys champion.

My opinion is that a bunch of hack idiots can't come up with a good plan period.

Two of the biggest issues in healthcare have been addressed, a lack of coverage and now 30 million more people will have access to healthcare, and pre existing conditions and lifetime caps that either prevented people from getting care or limited the amount of care that they could get.

I guess if, to you, that's not an improvement in the system then I'd suspect nothing is, in your mind.

 

[brycejones]

Right now there isn't though and in partly thanks to obama.

Wrap your head around that.

Hey are you going to attempt to support your death panel claim?

 

[Incorruptible]

Hey are you going to attempt to support your death panel claim?

Yes but why should I waste my time on someone like you. There is plenty of evidence out there and I can't believe you haven't seen it.

 

[jackstar7]

Right now there isn't though and in partly thanks to obama.

Wrap your head around that.

As was said, there never has been. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Actually, the delusions might explain a lot.

 

[Incorruptible]

As was said, there never has been. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Actually, the delusions might explain a lot.

Yes there was a system before and if it wasn't Capitalism are you suggesting socialism? The idea that socialism built this country is sheer stupidity.
You lost the debate when you decided to attack me.

 

[Phokus]

You are just angry once again because I poked holes in your pathetic argument. I would say you debate on a 3rd grade level but that would be insulting 3rd graders.

You poked NOTHING you idiot, the GOP ideas over healthcare from the 90's are so toxic within the GOP that they try to blame each other for it like it's a game of hot potato:

Romney: "Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you."

Gingrich: "That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation."

Romney: "Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage Foundation."

Gingrich: "Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation."

Romney: "And you've never supported --"

Gingrich: "I agreed with them. I'm just saying. What you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true. That's not where you got it from."

Romney: "Have you supported in the past an individual mandate?"

Gingrich: "I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare."

Romney: "You did support an individual mandate?"

Gingrich: "Yes sir."

Romney: "OK. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation."

Gingrich: "OK, a little broader."

Justify this you moron.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Two of the biggest issues in healthcare have been addressed, a lack of coverage and now 30 million more people will have access to healthcare, and pre existing conditions and lifetime caps that either prevented people from getting care or limited the amount of care that they could get.

I guess if, to you, that's not an improvement in the system then I'd suspect nothing is, in your mind.

It's an insurance patch. In 10 or 15 years the complete lack of preparation and foresight will start to become apparent and then we'll engage in crisis mode and try to fix what will probably take at least a decade to implement properly. You'll then blame everyone else.

No this is not nearly good enough.

 

[brycejones]

Yes but why should I waste my time on someone like you. There is plenty of evidence out there and I can't believe you haven't seen it.

As usual, you'll throw something out there and refuse to support it. I was genuinely interested in what source you were basing your statement on. But I can only take your refusal to back it up as a sign that you know you really don't have anything and are just repeating someone else's talking point.

 

[jackstar7]

Yes there was a system before and if it wasn't Capitalism are you suggesting socialism? The idea that socialism built this country is sheer stupidity.
You lost the debate when you decided to attack me.

You lost the debate when you approached socio-politico-economic systems as an either/or equation.

They are far more complex than that and trying to minimize them with your marketing lingo undermines any chance you might have had for engaging in a worthwhile discussion.

Get better at this.