Newt Gingrich: Gingrich: Republicans have 'zero' health care ideas

[frowertr]

I understand what Gingrich is saying, but, so what?!

Where does it say in the constitution that the government must pay for your health care?? And, not only must they pay for it but you MUST have it?

It surely doesn't say anything of the sort in the constitution that I have.

 

[Incorruptible]

I understand what Gingrich is saying, but, so what?!

Where does it say in the constitution that the government must pay for your health care?? And, not only must they pay for it but you MUST have it?

It surely doesn't say anything of the sort in the constitution that I have.

Why do you think that death panels would not exist under free market health care? Under real capitalism, why wouldn't private insurance companies have death panels where employees receive commissions for finding contractual loopholes for being able to deny coverage to insured customers when they get sick? We already have those kinds of death panels today at insurance companies.

Why do you think that private insurance companies would not have death panels under laissez-faire capitalism? Don't you think there would be plenty of loopholes in the 1000 page insurance contracts written in small print by the best lawyers money could buy?

There are already death panels under socialist healthcare. It is reprehensible that you would attack Capitalism like this.

 

[ChunkiMunki]

Death panels should exist under a capitalist system. No money or insurance? No treatment. Republicans should introduce legislation freeing up health care providers from treating people without insurance or a fat wad of cash in their pocket, since they believe this is how it should be anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are already death panels under socialist healthcare. It is reprehensible that you would attack Capitalism like this.

And those would be different from the death panels in the boardrooms & executive offices of insurance companies, how, exactly?

 

[Incorruptible]

And those would be different from the death panels in the boardrooms & executive offices of insurance companies, how, exactly?

You're lying like you always do. Under a free market system we would be better off.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're lying like you always do. Under a free market system we would be better off.

I'll just leave this here. Not that you'll read it yourself, but others will, and it'll help them recognize you for the mindless shill that you are.

http://www.salon.com/2009/08/11/denial_of_care/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/07/health-care-rationing-death-panels

Leftists! Leftists! Leftists! who hate the Constitution & make the baby Jesus cry, obviously.

 

[zinfamous]

There are already death panels under socialist healthcare. It is reprehensible that you would attack Capitalism like this.

what death panels?

Oh right, you're a complete tool.

 

[Incorruptible]

what death panels?

Oh right, you're a complete tool.

The only tool is you, there are death panels with socialism and healthcare but keep attacking Capitalism.

 

[Matt1970]

I've said he's a right of center president in the past. His healthcare law actually comes from the Heritage Foundation and the GOP's response to hillarycare back in the early 90's. However, it sure is better than nothing. OTOH, it seems like he might be back dooring a public option by funding a non-governmental/non-profit entity to provide health insurance plans through the exchanges at a lower cost than for profit companies would offer, so it might not be a complete piece of shit, i posted this about a year ago, can't find the article though.

Edit: I don't see the difference between being forced to buy private insurance or being forced to pay for medicare, at least with the former, you have 'choice', from a conservative's perspective (i would rather have single payer though), i really don't understand why conservatives bitch about that so much.

So which is it? Is it that Republicans have no ideas for healthcare or is it that ACA is actually a Republican idea?

 

[Pulsar]

The only tool is you, there are death panels with socialism and healthcare but keep attacking Capitalism.

Why are you even here? You have no interest in intelligent discussion. You have no intention of trying to learn anything. You simply spout political rhetoric, insult people, and generally make an ass of yourself.

The free market is fabulous when it applies to luxury items that people can choose to buy. It does not work in cases of necessities or monopolies like phone service (finally being broken up by wireless / cellphones), power distribution, and healthcare.

In any service that is a monopoly, the government has to get involved. The alternative is to have companies price many folks right out of the market, or collude together to make the prices so outrageous that people become beholden to them for the rest of their lives.

Healthcare is just one instance. Student tuition / upper education is quickly becoming another.

So explain how you can claim that a free market is so fabulous when it is the free market that has created a health care market where a single serious illness can bankrupt 99% of the families in the United States?

 

[Fern]

Guess what, young people will someday be old. And being young without health insurance is fucking stupid. I didn't see all the bitching and complaining about this healthcare plan when conservatives were the ones proposing it back in the 90's.

What was there to bitch about?

The Repubs in Congress didn't support it. Heck they controlled Congress and the few who supported the individual mandate couldn't even get it to the floor for a vote. They dropped it.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

So which is it? Is it that Republicans have no ideas for healthcare or is it that ACA is actually a Republican idea?

The ACA was based off of old republican healthcare reform ideas, they don't like it and they have no new ideas that they would replace the ACA with.

Is it really that hard for you to understand? I feel like when incorruptible gets back from his little vacations you guys on the right get dumber as a whole.

 

[Incorruptible]

The ACA was based off of old republican healthcare reform ideas, they don't like it and they have no new ideas that they would replace the ACA with.

Is it really that hard for you to understand? I feel like when incorruptible gets back from his little vacations you guys on the right get dumber as a whole.

Typical leftist who has to resort to personal attacks. You've already lost the debate.

 

[Fern]

I dont understand America's reluctance to go with universal health care when every other advanced, modern society has done so.

Nobody can figure out an acceptable path to get there. If they have it sure hasn't been articulated.

UHC will decimate our current private HC businesses, and that's big business here. Insurance companies? They'll be gone or we'll have a few remain but will be a fraction of their current size. Where will those people find work?

All of our physicians, physician groups and clinics are private. What's going to happen to them? Same with hospitals.

No one has answers. Heck, no one even talks about it.

Besides, none of this is the real problem. The AMA and the HC professionals keep telling us how to control costs but no one will listen.

Then there's a serious lack of trust in the govt. Many don't want them running HC.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Phokus

I don't know who you're trying to fool here, but the Dems don't have any ideas either.

Certainly not any that are any good. And patting yourself on the back for coming up with a bad idea is silly.

Fern

 

[johnnobts]

I liked the Republican's "no ideas" on healthcare over Obama's destined-to-fail-so-he-can-setup-single-payer-plan. Seriously, republicans have promoted free market solutions to help curb costs, but even if the repubs proposed nothing, rates would still be going up at a significantly lower percentage than under the impending obamacare stuff (75-125 percent increases in one year folks in plenty of states). we are losing health care options b/c of this (wish he was just a rodeo) clown of a president.

 

[Incorruptible]

I liked the Republican's "no ideas" on healthcare over Obama's destined-to-fail-so-he-can-setup-single-payer-plan. Seriously, republicans have promoted free market solutions to help curb costs, but even if the repubs proposed nothing, rates would still be going up at a significantly lower percentage than under the impending obamacare stuff (75-125 percent increases in one year folks in plenty of states). we are losing health care options b/c of this (wish he was just a rodeo) clown of a president.

This is what it was all about from the start. It was never meant to be this way but to screw up the system so badly that they could blame Capitalism and implement UHC. The same thing with the Wall Street crash where they blamed the Free Market.

He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

 

[Pulsar]

This is what it was all about from the start. It was never meant to be this way but to screw up the system so badly that they could blame Capitalism and implement UHC. The same thing with the Wall Street crash where they blamed the Free Market.

He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

News flash - the Wall Street crash was directly caused by the free market and a lack of regulatory oversight. I see in all the time you've been here you still haven't stopped digging holes for yourself.

 

[Incorruptible]

News flash - the Wall Street crash was directly caused by the free market and a lack of regulatory oversight. I see in all the time you've been here you still haven't stopped digging holes for yourself.

Keep up the lying. There was no Free Market and government interference caused the crash. I have owned you on this subject and you think you somehow got me. Pathetic.

 

[Matt1970]

The ACA was based off of old republican healthcare reform ideas, they don't like it and they have no new ideas that they would replace the ACA with.

Is it really that hard for you to understand? I feel like when incorruptible gets back from his little vacations you guys on the right get dumber as a whole.

You basically just repeat what I said, ask me why I don't understand it, then call me dumb. You are unique son...

 

[brycejones]

There are already death panels under socialist healthcare. It is reprehensible that you would attack Capitalism like this.

What is your evidence of death panels in the ACA?

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep up the lying. There was no Free Market and government interference caused the crash. I have owned you on this subject and you think you somehow got me. Pathetic.

In the sense that the Bush Admin aided & abetted the greatest looting spree in the history of finance, you'd be correct.

And, of course, you'd probably claim that every financial panic & depression in History was caused by govt interference rather than such occurrences being part & parcel of poorly regulated markets.

 

[Zaap]

Now if ONLY Democrats would admit the same thing.

 

[Jhhnn]

What is your evidence of death panels in the ACA?

Don't need no steenking evidence. It's true because he believes it is, and that's that.

It's the same with all his opinions- unadulterated truthiness in action.

It's also known as simulated rationality. First believe, then find whatever evidence you can to support such belief, rejecting all else.

It's a universal feature of what passes for thought on the Right.

 

[brycejones]

Don't need no steenking evidence. It's true because he believes it is, and that's that.

It's the same with all his opinions- unadulterated truthiness in action.

It's also known as simulated rationality. First believe, then find whatever evidence you can to support such belief, rejecting all else.

It's a universal feature of what passes for thought on the Right.

I believe the "death panels" have already been discredited but I really want to know what incorruptible has for evidence to support his blanket assertion. I am giving him a chance to prove his position.