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Newt Gingrich: Child labor laws 'truly stupid'

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AyashiKaibutsu said:
We should just institute the republican wet dream. No child labor laws, no minimum wage, no public schools. Lets create a new class below working poor one that needs 3 or 4 jobs to keep a household running. It'll be glorious just think of all the jobs the creators could make then!
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It's really too late for that. The 1920s Hoover administration as well as the FDR administration did irreparable damage to the workings between government and the economy.

Hoover set out to make government an essential tool in dealing with depressions, with the 1920-21 depression still fresh in his mind, and did just that....

Maybe we could take some of Hoover's and the "new economic ideals of the 1920s/30s and use them today. Start a national housing price fund and give out massive loans to support the price of housing by restricting the supply like they did with agricultural products.... It worked out well....

Actually it did work out well, all that agricultural surplus in the 20s came back to the USA in gold, although that was at no thanks to Hoover, sad part is we finished spending the gold in the 70s, and the finale of credit spending came just a few years ago.
 
I disagree. Kids should concentrate on school, not money, when they're young. They don't need the money. Also, his focus on poor kids is troubling, implying that they are part of the problem.
 
Dari said:
I disagree. Kids should concentrate on school, not money, when they're young. They don't need the money. Also, his focus on poor kids is troubling, implying that they are part of the problem.
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Uh... what? Shows how you think. Just because you're obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone is. It's more about instilling good work ethic and responsibility into the child, rather than teaching them to be money grubbing assholes. You cannot truly appreciate having something if you've never had to work for it.
 
bfdd said:
Uh... what? Shows how you think. Just because you're obsessed with money doesn't mean everyone is. It's more about instilling good work ethic and responsibility into the child, rather than teaching them to be money grubbing assholes. You cannot truly appreciate having something if you've never had to work for it.
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STFU, please. Kids can learn the same ethics in school. In S. Korea, they have to import workers from Vietnam and other poor countries because the young do not want to do manual labor. And yet S. Korea is ranked at or near the top in almost every academic ranking. The students get good work ethics from their parents and their culture and that shows in their successful careers in S. Korea, America, and elsewhere. This noise about the child labor laws is truly dumb. It has less to do with the laws and more to do with the parenting.
 
Dari said:
STFU, please. Kids can learn the same ethics in school. In S. Korea, they have to import workers from Vietnam and other poor countries because the young do not want to do manual labor. And yet S. Korea is ranked at or near the top in almost every academic ranking. The students get good work ethics from their parents and their culture and that shows in their successful careers in S. Korea, America, and elsewhere. This noise about the child labor laws is truly dumb. It has less to do with the laws and more to do with the parenting.
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I don't disagree with you that parenting is a key issue, but that's because of the "system" we've put in place. People are all to amped to dump their children on societies lap and then point the finger at society when their children fuck up. Remember Columbine? I think allowing children to work(mind you when I'm saying children I'm talking about teenagers) will help teach them work ethics and responsibility. Maybe we can impede this cycle of terrible parents by reverting to older practices.
 
bfdd said:
I don't disagree with you that parenting is a key issue, but that's because of the "system" we've put in place. People are all to amped to dump their children on societies lap and then point the finger at society when their children fuck up. Remember Columbine? I think allowing children to work(mind you when I'm saying children I'm talking about teenagers) will help teach them work ethics and responsibility. Maybe we can impede this cycle of terrible parents by reverting to older practices.
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Or maybe we can put more legal pressure on parents. You are actually relying on a system you just criticized. Why do we need to repeal or enact new laws? Why do we need to encourage kids to take up manual labor when we are trying to go towards a service/knowledge society? Why shouldn't the parents do their jobs? If the kids are poor it's because the parents are poor. This has nothing to do with poor children but poor parents, materially and ethically. If the Asians or others can bring up good children without reversing the clock 100 years, why can't we? If we have to change any laws, we should focus on the source of the problem, the parents, not the children.
 
I agree with the conservatives on this one. Children should be taught to support themselves. And besides, we have so many jobs and no one to do them!
 
What is wrong with this statement:

”I tried for years to have a very simple model,” he continued. “Most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work, they would have cash, they’d have pride in the schools, they’d begin the process of rising.”
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Taken from the OP.
 
Throckmorton said:
Maybe you should hire some kids to fix your sarcasm meter
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There are plenty of jobs, people simply will not take them. Not when their unemployment pays more than the job pays.

I do not blame them for it, I would do the same...but that does not magically make the jobs go away.

Now that unemployment is ending for many, these jobs will start being filled.
 
DrPizza said:
I just read what Newt said. Why do people have an issue with that? The only people who have an issue with his comments are probably the idiots who only read the headline and jump to conclusions without ever reading the article.
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i read the article then posted. i was actually semi neutral about newt until i read this. he has no touch with reality.

i think its been said a few times now in the thread. its not really a bad thing to get kids to work, the real issue is that we are required to work almost our entire lives, non stop, just to survive... and that is ridiculous given the amount of people we have on this planet. i cant believe people (many!) still think pure capitalism is the best situation. it might have been coming out of a world war, but things are drastically different now, and we need to learn to share so that none of us are required to work until death.
 
cybrsage said:
There are plenty of jobs, people simply will not take them. Not when their unemployment pays more than the job pays.

I do not blame them for it, I would do the same...but that does not magically make the jobs go away.

Now that unemployment is ending for many, these jobs will start being filled.
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yeah, those jobs are filled, the person who lived on a $25/hr salary for 10 years just went through a year of $13/hr (unemployment) and is now supposed to work for $10/hr doing something he has never done and completely hates? you cant lose that much pay and expect to keep your life, or be forced to change your lifestyle and expect sanity. this guy (which is a LOT OF MOFOS out there) just lost his house, motorcycle and things to do on free nights (cant go anywhere when you dont have money. just stay home and go to work.)

its bad enough that everything doubled/tripled in price the last 10 years, but then suddenly $10 an hour is supposed to be "thankful u got a job" when thats already half what you used to make plus it all gets spent more then twice as fast... its so fucked up
 
Ausm said:
I started my first job when I was 13 working in the restaurant industry 12 hour days until someone turned the owner in.

I am thankful there are laws protecting children but I do believe kids should be working by at least 16 because I believe it teaches responsibility.
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And after you hit the ripe age of indoctrination (14 years of age) you started a new job shoveling shit on the internet right?
 
Small children would be much more efficient coal miners. The coal companies could get away with digging passageways of half the diameter, and they wouldn't have to pump nearly as much oxygen down into the mines. If a mine collapsed, some of the little tykes could probably squeeze through the obstructions, thereby saving the companies the cost of digging them out.

As usual, Newt has his finger on the pulse of America.
 
wirednuts said:
i read the article then posted. i was actually semi neutral about newt until i read this. he has no touch with reality.

i think its been said a few times now in the thread. its not really a bad thing to get kids to work, the real issue is that we are required to work almost our entire lives, non stop, just to survive... and that is ridiculous given the amount of people we have on this planet. i cant believe people (many!) still think pure capitalism is the best situation. it might have been coming out of a world war, but things are drastically different now, and we need to learn to share so that none of us are required to work until death.
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99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% of humanity has had to work their entire lives just to live, why are you such a weak individual that you are incapable of doing such? or do you just think you're better than the rest of humanity?
 
bfdd said:
I have to agree. I worked when I was 15, but it was such a fucking hassle. I would have loved for it to be easier for me to get a job and make money, but now a days we're so inclined to keep children children.
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completely agree.
i worked when i started hs, doing odd jobs for cash after school. bought my first car, went to college, and i'm doing just fine.
nothing teaches a kid the value of a dollar more than working for it themselves.
 
Dari said:
I disagree. Kids should concentrate on school, not money, when they're young. They don't need the money. Also, his focus on poor kids is troubling, implying that they are part of the problem.
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having a job keeps them out of trouble, teaches them responsibility, and how to manage money.
i had a job when i was 14 all throughout HS, and managed to get straight A's.
 
Ausm said:
I started my first job when I was 13 working in the restaurant industry 12 hour days until someone turned the owner in.

I am thankful there are laws protecting children but I do believe kids should be working by at least 16 because I believe it teaches responsibility.
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Since when do libtards believe in responsibility?
 
I have to agree with newt.... the law is stupid. One thing we have to realize... NOT every family have 2 parents providing a warm meal to children. Let put it THIS way... would would rather young children allow normal work or allow them into illegal prostitution for money? No flame or nothing.... just a honest answer.... which is the two choice is better?
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
And after you hit the ripe age of indoctrination (14 years of age) you started a new job shoveling shit on the internet right?
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??? No but I was able to work 8 hours a day when I when I was 14 due to the Restaurant owner being turned in. What you don't understand is my Oldman is a great Republican he don't give a flying fuck how much OTHER people have to work just how much he has to work. My Mother was killed by a drunk driver when I was 6 so she was out of the picture.

You must not be familiar how the Restaurant industry works...It works alot like factory work. You are worked like dogs and paid like shit. Raises where typically a nickel possible up to a dime increase for each summer worked. The owner of the restaurant also pocketed all my money that was suppose to go to Social Security too.

I worked summers when I was 13-16 and when I was 16 I worked year around while going to school.

I used the money I made to go to college where I also worked when I was going to school.
 
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KK said:
Since when do libtards believe in responsibility?
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Anyone who uses that term to describe a Democrat obviously has not entered puberty yet. But answering your reply, You don't have a clue what a Democrat is because you seem to be blinded by your ideology.
 
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