Question Newegg now selling 12th gen CPUs and motherboards.

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fleshconsumed

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Hm, I have to say that I'm not a huge fan of Intel's move here to release the product for sale before outlets are allowed to share their results. The LTT video from today suggested that they've had it for around a week so far, so it's not like there hasn't been enough time. Albeit, I'm considering an upgrade from an i9-9900k, so it's not likely that worthwhile anyway. Although, given the shift in processor design, I am curious to see if it is more worthwhile than I expect!

The other hard part for me is that I'd rather just buy a motherboard with 10Gbps Ethernet built in, which is what my current motherboard (ASRock Z370 Professional Gaming i7) has. Unfortunately, that leaves me with two options from Gigabyte priced at $470 and $900. Given that I have a 10Gbps Intel card lying around, I'd probably just be better off using that, and going with a simpler board. Although, awkwardly enough, the DDR5 is selling out quite quickly too. I was perusing Corsair's store this evening, and at one point, all they had was the 64GB kit left for ~$600, but now that's gone too.
Do you even have a 10Gbps switch? We just now got semi-affordable as in under $200 for an 8 port 2.5G switch last year. 10Gbps ethernet switches are super duper expensive and require active fan cooling.

Given the state of high speed ethernet switches 2.5G is probably the sweet spot for the next 5 years unless you can drop $1K for a 10G ethernet switch.
 

KentState

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Do you even have a 10Gbps switch? We just now got semi-affordable as in under $200 for an 8 port 2.5G switch last year. 10Gbps ethernet switches are super duper expensive and require active fan cooling.

Given the state of high speed ethernet switches 2.5G is probably the sweet spot for the next 5 years unless you can drop $1K for a 10G ethernet switch.

You don't have to spend $1k to get competent 10Gbe switch.
 
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Aikouka

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Do you even have a 10Gbps switch? We just now got semi-affordable as in under $200 for an 8 port 2.5G switch last year. 10Gbps ethernet switches are super duper expensive and require active fan cooling.

Given the state of high speed ethernet switches 2.5G is probably the sweet spot for the next 5 years unless you can drop $1K for a 10G ethernet switch.

Yes. I have a Ubiquiti US-16-XG. I do agree that 10Gbps hardware is a bit too pricey at this point for most consumers though. Even my aforementioned switch is predominantly for fiber. (I need to switch my server to DAC.) To be honest, the reason why I use 10Gbps Ethernet is to help speed up transfers to/from my file server. It has actually been quite a nice change... albeit probably not great considering the cost of the switch. Although, I could've gotten a 10Gbps switch from other companies for a lower cost, but I wanted everything tied into my existing Ubiquiti components.

As an example of the cost, when I was going to move my computer and another computer into the same room, I needed to run Ethernet to that room. I ended up running two lines, because while it added slightly more complexity, a 5-ish port 10Gbps switch would've been ~$200.
 
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The motherboards seem to increase in price by like 20-30% each generation. The MSI Carbon version of my board is $400, versus the $250 I paid.
 

fleshconsumed

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The motherboards seem to increase in price by like 20-30% each generation. The MSI Carbon version of my board is $400, versus the $250 I paid.
Unfortunately that is true for both Intel and AMD. But at least with AMD they have really good backward compatibility which makes it much easier to upgrade piecewise by picking used stuff or when new stuff goes on sale. I got 3950x earlier this year for $400 used, it's been great. Hoping Alder lake will finally bring some competition to AMD which will drive both Intel and AMD prices down.
 
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Furious_Styles

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I doubt this will be an Asus only thing. Prices went up for PCIE 4 boards and now we have 5 and a new ram standard.

Nah I checked, no one has some of the insane prices asus does. For example, their waterblocked board is 2k. No one even comes close to that.
 

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Nah I checked, no one has some of the insane prices asus does. For example, their waterblocked board is 2k. No one even comes close to that.
It depends on your definition of "insane".

I bought my Asrock Z270 Taichi motherboard for under $200, and their new Z690 version is now up to $590.

It's crazy how much motherboards (in particular) have increased in price over the last 3-4 years. o_O

Edit:

I was curious of the exact amount I paid since it was purchased in 2017, and it was $170.00 :oops:

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Furious_Styles

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It depends on your definition of "insane".

I bought my Asrock Z270 Taichi motherboard for under $200, and their new Z690 version is now up to $590.

It's crazy how much motherboards (in particular) have increased in price over the last 3-4 years. o_O

Edit:

I was curious of the exact amount I paid since it was purchased in 2017, and it was $170.00 :oops:

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Yeah but right now the taichi is their top offering, I don't think that was the case for the z270 line-up

Edit: I should note I do agree the prices certainly have gone up, but that's why I was trying to do an apples to apples z690 only comparison.
 

KentState

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Nah I checked, no one has some of the insane prices asus does. For example, their waterblocked board is 2k. No one even comes close to that.

Who else has a full waterblock board out yet? Wait until MSI and Gigabyte release their versions before making a claim that no one comes close.
 

Furious_Styles

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Who else has a full waterblock board out yet? Wait until MSI and Gigabyte release their versions before making a claim that no one comes close.
C'mon kent give me a little credit here I checked all the manufacturers, that was just an example.

Gigabyte most expensive non-waterblocked: $899.
Asus: $1,100.
Asrock: $599
MSI: $599
 

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C'mon kent give me a little credit here I checked all the manufacturers, that was just an example.

Gigabyte most expensive non-waterblocked: $899.
Asus: $1,100.
Asrock: $599
MSI: $599
Model Numbers and links?

Also, I showed you a sub-$300 Z690 motherboard with all the new features. You're trying to pick out the most specifically expensive model and then saying a manufacture is way overcharging. Kind of a stupid argument. Prices have gone up due to a variety of reasons, but it's not like all vendors haven't gone up.
 

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Model Numbers and links?

Also, I showed you a sub-$300 Z690 motherboard with all the new features. You're trying to pick out the most specifically expensive model and then saying a manufacture is way overcharging. Kind of a stupid argument. Prices have gone up due to a variety of reasons, but it's not like all vendors haven't gone up.
The de-facto high end boards from ASUS and Gigabyte for most users - the Hero and Aorus Master, have increased in price from their Z590 counterparts by 20% ($499 to $599) and 17.5% ($399 to $469) respectively, with the Z690 Hero having fewer USB type A ports on the back panel compared to the Aorus Master.

Asus is definitely price gouging. What's more, many of their mid-range boards from the Strix lineup are incompatible with air coolers due to the design of the VRM heatsinks.
 
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The de-facto high end boards from ASUS and Gigabyte for most users - the Hero and Aorus Master, have increased in price from their Z590 counterparts by 20% ($499 to $599) and 17.5% ($399 to $469) respectively, with the Z690 Hero having fewer USB type A ports on the back panel compared to the Aorus Master.

Asus is definitely price gouging. What's more, many of their mid-range boards from the Strix lineup are incompatible with air coolers due to the design of the VRM heatsinks.
Are you sure they are price gouging or is supply and demand (components) is at the root cause here? Could be both. All I know is, I paid more for my Gigabyte x570 Aorus Ultra late last year than I did some of the Z690 boards coming out. Singling out Asus and then only referencing those super high end models is just to fit an agenda.

Plus, these new boards have quite a few more features which are going to cost more. Initial production numbers are going to be smaller than current products and then the new tech. I only have an Asus board in my server (dual Xeon) right now, so I haven't used their boards in awhile. I just know this is normal when you come out with new product lines.
 

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The de-facto high end boards from ASUS and Gigabyte for most users - the Hero and Aorus Master, have increased in price from their Z590 counterparts by 20% ($499 to $599) and 17.5% ($399 to $469) respectively, with the Z690 Hero having fewer USB type A ports on the back panel compared to the Aorus Master.

Asus is definitely price gouging. What's more, many of their mid-range boards from the Strix lineup are incompatible with air coolers due to the design of the VRM heatsinks.
Thank you sir, just about all my prices I looked at were on newegg, in keeping with apples to apples comparison. Rather than asking me to post links anyone can go check for themselves.

And no I don't have an agenda, I'm just reporting who had the highest prices for the boards almost across the entire spectrum.
 

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Thank you sir, just about all my prices I looked at were on newegg, in keeping with apples to apples comparison. Rather than asking me to post links anyone can go check for themselves.
You make the comment and then provide nothing to back it up. I don't know the model numbers you are looking at and you want us to go decipher what you compared? Lazy and there's probably a reason you don't want to provide data to back up your claim. :rolleyes:
 

Furious_Styles

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You make the comment and then provide nothing to back it up. I don't know the model numbers you are looking at and you want us to go decipher what you compared? Lazy and there's probably a reason you don't want to provide data to back up your claim. :rolleyes:
What the hell do you want? Me to post every link from newegg? How about you get off your lazy butt and go look I just told you where I got 99% of my data from.
 

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Are you sure they are price gouging or is supply and demand (components) is at the root cause here? Could be both. All I know is, I paid more for my Gigabyte x570 Aorus Ultra late last year than I did some of the Z690 boards coming out. Singling out Asus and then only referencing those super high end models is just to fit an agenda.

Plus, these new boards have quite a few more features which are going to cost more. Initial production numbers are going to be smaller than current products and then the new tech. I only have an Asus board in my server (dual Xeon) right now, so I haven't used their boards in awhile. I just know this is normal when you come out with new product lines.
Without access to their BOM it is impossible to say. The differences between the two are -

ASUS:
  1. Dual Thunderbolt 4 ports with DisplayPort out.
  2. 2.5 GbE LAN.
  3. 20+1 phase VRM with 90A power stages.
Gigabyte:
  1. More USB type A ports and dual Type C instead of Thunderbolt.
  2. 10 GbE LAN.
  3. 19+1+2 phase VRM with 105A power stages.
If you ask me, I doubt Thunderbolt 4 warrants an extra $130.
 
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What the hell do you want? Me to post every link from newegg? How about you get off your lazy butt and go look I just told you where I got 99% of my data from.
You have all the information and you made the claim. But you want me to go guess and track down what you were comparing? :rolleyes:

OK, that makes perfect sense. LAZY, you have a history in your web browser. But NO, have someone else do your legwork. It's like trying to reason with a 5 year old.
 

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Without access to their BOM it is impossible to say. The differences between the two are -

ASUS:
  1. Dual Thunderbolt 4 ports with DisplayPort out.
  2. 2.5 GbE LAN.
  3. 20+1 phase VRM with 90A power stages.
Gigabyte:
  1. More USB type A ports and dual Type C instead of Thunderbolt.
  2. 10 GbE LAN.
  3. 19+1+2 phase VRM with 105A power stages.
If you ask me, I doubt Thunderbolt 4 warrants an extra $130.
So DDR5, PCI-E 5, and other newer tech should be considered equal to older tech in this current tech climate with its many bottlenecks leading to increased demand and under-supply at the same time? Looking at how other tech are selling way above msrp, we should be glad we're only seeing a 20% price increase in this range of motherboards. The tech marketplace is in flux right now for all the reasons I mentioned above and more. Prices are definitely going to be affected. Anybody who thought motherboard prices with all these new technologies alone, never mind other adverse factors, were going to remain the same was not thinking realistically.
 
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Without access to their BOM it is impossible to say. The differences between the two are -

ASUS:
  1. Dual Thunderbolt 4 ports with DisplayPort out.
  2. 2.5 GbE LAN.
  3. 20+1 phase VRM with 90A power stages.
Gigabyte:
  1. More USB type A ports and dual Type C instead of Thunderbolt.
  2. 10 GbE LAN.
  3. 19+1+2 phase VRM with 105A power stages.
If you ask me, I doubt Thunderbolt 4 warrants an extra $130.
Wasn't the Asus Dark Hero over $500 and probably still is? Not sure we're comparing apples to apples. It's a bit like cars, some manufactures have high end products that may cost more, but people are willing to pay for the top of the line. I don't know enough about the Intel versions of their boards to know what was equal to it in the past year. There are other contributing facts though to just putting a price tag on something.
 

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So DDR5, PCI-E 5, and other newer tech should be considered equal to older tech in this current tech climate with its many bottlenecks leading to increased demand and under-supply at the same time? Looking at how other tech are selling way above msrp, we should be glad we're only seeing a 20% price increase in this range of motherboards. The tech marketplace is in flux right now for all the reasons I mentioned above and more. Prices are definitely going to be affected. Anybody who thought motherboard prices with all these new technologies alone, never mind other adverse factors, were going to remain the same was not thinking realistically.

Almost all the other manufacturers are including PCI-e 5 and DDR5 support with this generation though. Some can still use DDR4 though. I don't know that we should "expect" big mark-ups on motherboards, they aren't a huge in-demand item for miners.
 

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Almost all the other manufacturers are including PCI-e 5 and DDR5 support with this generation though. Some can still use DDR4 though. I don't know that we should "expect" big mark-ups on motherboards, they aren't a huge in-demand item for miners.
Because you do not understand the basic manufacturing business model. New technology and products require R&D; which is a lot of times off-set by higher cost of goods at the beginning of a run. Plus, because it is not in high demand, yet, means they are manufacturing fewer products to start with. Fewer runs means the products generally cost more to produce because they are not buying components at the same level as they would for something that is mass produced in large volume to meet consumer demand. That, along with the constraint on supply chain and certain parts that may be used on motherboards (I know for fact capacitors are having supply issues, I see this a lot in the HT market right now and since last year) adds up. The inability to source supplies and parts because manufactures are having issues with raw materials and even getting the items into ports and such, causes an increase on overall cost of goods. Therefore, all of that cost is added in to the cost of the consumer product.

That's not even getting in to the lack of overall parts from last year and the skyrocketing sales on PC and Laptops due to WFH and students being at home. This would be why you saw CPUs selling out and above MSRP as well. Low quantities and high demand.

How hard is that to understand?