New York State Senate passes same sex marriage bill.e

[1prophet]

Uh. Civil court? Like I said I fail to see the reason for gubment to be in marriage. You guys just keep making excuses for it. Government has no place in our personal lives and that includes marriage. There should be no separate laws/rules for a married person or a single person.

There are inheritance laws, custodianship laws with children, power of attorney laws, etc. and marriage directly affects them.

 

[Harvey]

Uh. Civil court? Like I said I fail to see the reason for gubment to be in marriage. You guys just keep making excuses for it. Government has no place in our personal lives and that includes marriage. There should be no separate laws/rules for a married person or a single person.

I already replied answered that twice, once in post #143 in response to your own dumbass question:

Why does the government have to have a say in marriage for those things to work? I am failing to see that connection.

As I posted, above, the Federal and state governments grant specific civil rights, privileges and advantages to married couples. The Constution demands that such rights, privileges and advantages must be granted to all citizens, not just a special class of citizens such as heterosexuals.

Didn't your mother ever warn you, if you didn't stop that, you'd go blind? 😱

Here's a song for you.

 

[Gintaras]

So you're saying that gay people are incapable of having children?

Most likely, you're an abortion leftover from gay people....

On a side note does that mean you think that bisexuals have no problems? Bisexual people have almost an advantage over heterosexuals logically as they are able to be attracted to more people.

This tells that you have no LIFE(Posts: 14,050 - shows that), no sex life, just trying to become x-sexual just to attract anyone...no brain and no penis, it might be even no pussy...



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[HAL9000]

Most likely, you're an abortion leftover from gay people....





This tells that you have no LIFE(Posts: 14,050 - shows that), no sex life, just trying to become x-sexual just to attract anyone...no brain and no penis, it might be even no pussy...

So you've got no argument to make? Just insults.

OK.

I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

 

[Gintaras]

1) Why someone should care who gets married? Unless, you're invited to a wedding...
2) When a Man and a Women declares to get married, THEY do yell to other people to know - IT'S all about sex, usually, there a lot of other reasons for them to get married.
For gay people - SEX is in 1st place, more likely, marriage for oversexed people, who couldn't attract people from other sex...perverted in mind leads to perverted in sex...
People with low morality...Why they're needd for politicians? People with low morals it's easier to control for politicians...
3) "God Bless America"???? Shouldn't be used anymore in US or more in NY.
God's Divine Plan is about marriage for a man and a woman...Going to marriage a man to a man or a woman to a woman - is against God's Divine Plan...
Why God should bless anyone if it's against his plan?

4) I don't care, who marries who...who have sex with who...But gay/lesbian propaganda isn't good...Let they do what they do in theirs bedrooms.
But letting the whole world to know what they're doing - not good - lonely, sexless people who have a lack of attention - sexually, personally...etc...

No need to hate such people...I don't even like such word: "hate"...
I'm rather sorry for those people....

 

[Gintaras]

I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

Let's put this way: in beginning, You don't give a fuck what people thinks about you...
Otherwise, you wouldn't be sitting here 24/7, but having a hobby or 2, having a friend or 2 or more, going out...etc...etc...

 

[HAL9000]

1) Why someone should care who gets married? Unless, you're invited to a wedding...

Agreed.

2) When a Man and a Women declares to get married, THEY do yell to other people to know - IT'S all about sex, usually, there a lot of other reasons for them to get married.

Ermm.. I guess... OK.

For gay people - SEX is in 1st place, more likely, marriage for oversexed people, who couldn't attract people from other sex...perverted in mind leads to perverted in sex...People with low morality...

No, that's not the case at all, for gay people and straight people marriage is about love, not about sex. Also there are some incredibly attractive gay and lesbian people on the planet, who could easily attract people of the oposite sex if they so wished, but they don't as they aren't attracted to them.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with morality. Also "low morality" is not a thing, you could say they have a poor moral conscience or poor moral values but saying they have "low morality" makes no sense, there is no high or low morality, there are different senses of morality.

Why they're needd for politicians? People with low morals it's easier to control for politicians...

It's good to be politically recognised as equal citizens.

3) "God Bless America"???? Shouldn't be used anymore in US or more in NY.
God's Divine Plan is about marriage for a man and a woman...Going to marriage a man to a man or a woman to a woman - is against God's Divine Plan...

Seeing as a) God doesn't exist and b) there is a separation of church and state in america I would agree, "God bless America" should not be used, it promotes Christianity.

Why God should bless anyone if it's against his plan?

Why indeed. "God's plan" however changes depending on who you talk to, so it's irrelevant.

4) I don't care, who marries who...who have sex with who...

Agreed.

But gay/lesbian propaganda isn't good...Let they do what they do in theirs bedrooms.

Gay and Lesbian publicity is paramount, particularly in countries with homophobic laws and institutions.

But letting the whole world to know what they're doing - not good - lonely, sexless people who have a lack of attention - sexually, personally...etc...

People deserve equal rights, so it's important to fight for that publicly, homosexuality has nothing to do with loneliness or sexless people. Sexless people would generally be considered a-sexual not homosexual.

No need to hate such people...I don't even like such word: "hate"...
I'm rather sorry for those people....

There's no need to be sorry for people enjoying their lives and fighting for what's right. You need to feel sorry for the people that persecute them.

 

[HAL9000]

Let's put this way: in beginning, You don't give a fuck what people thinks about you...

I care what some people think, I just don't care what you think about me.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be sitting here 24/7, but having a hobby or 2, having a friend or 2 or more, going out...etc...etc...

I'm not sat here 24/7 I was out all day with friends, it's now 3am and I'm still awake.

 

[CitizenKain]

1) Why someone should care who gets married? Unless, you're invited to a wedding...
2) When a Man and a Women declares to get married, THEY do yell to other people to know - IT'S all about sex, usually, there a lot of other reasons for them to get married.
For gay people - SEX is in 1st place, more likely, marriage for oversexed people, who couldn't attract people from other sex...perverted in mind leads to perverted in sex...
People with low morality...Why they're needd for politicians? People with low morals it's easier to control for politicians...
3) "God Bless America"???? Shouldn't be used anymore in US or more in NY.
God's Divine Plan is about marriage for a man and a woman...Going to marriage a man to a man or a woman to a woman - is against God's Divine Plan...
Why God should bless anyone if it's against his plan?

4) I don't care, who marries who...who have sex with who...But gay/lesbian propaganda isn't good...Let they do what they do in theirs bedrooms.
But letting the whole world to know what they're doing - not good - lonely, sexless people who have a lack of attention - sexually, personally...etc...

No need to hate such people...I don't even like such word: "hate"...
I'm rather sorry for those people....

Why is that the people who are anti-gay bigots type like they have brain damage?

 

[HAL9000]

Why is that the people who are anti-gay bigots type like they have brain damage?

Because they have brain damage.

 

[Gintaras]

Why is that the people who are anti-gay bigots type like they have brain damage?

I've been given a very good advice:

"never argue with an idiot....they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

 

[Doboji]

That doesn't answer the question. How, by what legal method, would Texas be forced, under law, to accept these so called "marriages" as legal in the State of Texas?

Fact is one day people like you will be portrayed in a movie, just like the racists during the civil rights movement in the 60s and the pro-slave folks of the 1800s. You will stand tall with your bigotry and convince yourself it's ok. history is marching with or without you. Gay marriage will be legal and it will be called marriage, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Also I think you're probably gay yourself... As a straight man I can tell you with absolute certainty that homosexuality is not a choice... If you yourself are able to "choose" to look at men in a sexual manner then you are certainly at least bisexual.

 

[Nebor]

1) Why someone should care who gets married? Unless, you're invited to a wedding...
2) When a Man and a Women declares to get married, THEY do yell to other people to know - IT'S all about sex, usually, there a lot of other reasons for them to get married.
For gay people - SEX is in 1st place, more likely, marriage for oversexed people, who couldn't attract people from other sex...perverted in mind leads to perverted in sex...
People with low morality...Why they're needd for politicians? People with low morals it's easier to control for politicians...
3) "God Bless America"???? Shouldn't be used anymore in US or more in NY.
God's Divine Plan is about marriage for a man and a woman...Going to marriage a man to a man or a woman to a woman - is against God's Divine Plan...
Why God should bless anyone if it's against his plan?

4) I don't care, who marries who...who have sex with who...But gay/lesbian propaganda isn't good...Let they do what they do in theirs bedrooms.
But letting the whole world to know what they're doing - not good - lonely, sexless people who have a lack of attention - sexually, personally...etc...

No need to hate such people...I don't even like such word: "hate"...
I'm rather sorry for those people....

Despicable. You shouldn't be allowed to espouse such biased, bigoted hatred here. And when I say here, I mean the United States, but I'd settle for just seeing you bounced out of this forum. I've seen you make personal attacks on more than one person today based solely on their post count.

Maybe once we manage to force same sex marriage down your throat nationwide, we can turn our attention to amending the first amendment to silence people like yourself.

 

[Nebor]

I understand that if the Supreme Court rules that a State cannot ban the marriage of like sexes, but the full faith and credit thing does not work. If you hang your argument on that, I would be more than willing to accept it. That would mean that the State of New York would have to recognize a Texas citizen right to carry a concealed weapon. So if I visited New York city I could bring my Browning or Ruger with me. I like it. That would be a good trade, I think.

Just as opposite sex marriages, drivers licenses, and numerous contracts and agreements are considered valid amongst all states, so should same sex marriage be. And some (like yourself) would argue that concealed handgun licenses should be as well. Rest assured that both groups (same sex marriagers and concealed carryers) are pursuing those avenues.

I know a guy from Flower Mound that went to Harvard undergrad, and University of Chicago Law. Now he's an attorney for the NRA. Oh, and he's gayer than Christmas. He's slept with over 200 men. He's a bottom, because I know you'd want to know. 😀

 

[bfdd]

I already replied answered that twice, once in post #143 in response to your own dumbass question:



Didn't your mother ever warn you, if you didn't stop that, you'd go blind? 😱

Here's a song for you.

And married people aren't being treated like a different class by giving them hose rights? Ian saying those extra rights shouldn't exist because government should be out of marriage. All those issues are civil issues and should be.

 

[paperfist]

Other than a hatred for a huge group of people how does this impact you in any way. Are you afraid you're going to catch gay? Do you think gays are now going to come to your house and make you watch?

Same sex marriage has been legal here in Ontario, Canada for over ten years and civilization has not collapsed. Schools aren't turning kids gay. It has no impact to anyone anywhere other than those people who share a love for each other and want to unite that love. I have many gay friends. I have many who are married, will be getting married and believe me they don't give a shit about any aspect of this other than being able to share something the religious right wants to tell them they can't. It's not an in your face look at us issue for the gay community. It's a do t look at us any differently than anyone else.

Why do you have to have hatred toward a group of people to disagree with gay marriage? We have a gays and lesbians in our family and I don't hate any of them. I could care less what the do between the sheets, but I'm not so sure I agree with people of the same sex 'having' children and more importantly getting tax breaks. Dammit I'm married to my job so where are my frigging tax breaks?!?

NYS is so happy now because of all the mad money they'll be collecting on marriage registrations. Thanks a lot Cuomo, this sudden windfall of cash better not derail your campaign of spending cuts!

 

[Craig234]

Why do you have to have hatred toward a group of people to disagree with gay marriage?

Because there isn't another reason to, really. But it's bigotry hate, not 'hate hate'.

The same kind of hate whites had for blacks when they demanded everything be kept separate so they didn't have to deal with blacks - but they wouldn't say they hate them.

We have a gays and lesbians in our family and I don't hate any of them. I could care less what the do between the sheets, but I'm not so sure I agree with people of the same sex 'having' children and more importantly getting tax breaks. Dammit I'm married to my job so where are my frigging tax breaks?!?

Let's say you're single. Where's your post demanding you get the same tax breaks as heterosexual married couples? There isn't one. You only say that about gay couples.

That's an example how you are bigoted. It's sounds idiotic when you say it about heterosexual couples? It sounds equally idiotic about gay couples.

'You aren't sure about people of the same sex 'having' children, eh?

More bigotry. Studies show kids do at least as well in gay households as heterosexual - but you are ignorant of that, you are ready to violate their rights on nothing.

Why would you do that? Bigotry. Have you posted a lot about questionable *heterosexual* parents who parent worse than gays? No? Why is that?

NYS is so happy now because of all the mad money they'll be collecting on marriage registrations. Thanks a lot Cuomo, this sudden windfall of cash better not derail your campaign of spending cuts!

No, they're happy because they are pleased about a violation of people's rights ending.

THEY care about people's rights. You don't. That makes you immoral.

I'm not sure I want someone like you to raise children - for a lot more reason than you have to challenge gay households.

You're a bigot. I've said before, a lot of bigots don't know they are. Some understand when they're told.

 

[catilley1092]

As a straight male American (by nature), I'm happy for the citizens of New York. All Americans, regardless of sexual orientation, race, disability, religion, age, whatever, should be able to live the life of their choice, openly & w/o fear. This should have been a nationwide decision rather than a state one, but progress is being made. We live in too small of a world for bigotry to continue to rule the land.

Now, when is marijuana going to be made legal? We who uses this (natural) herb is discriminated against on a nationwide basis, unchecked. Through random drug testing & subsequent denial of employment/termination, or other penalties. Soon, in order to get public housing, drug testing will be required in some states. This is discrimination, just as the things that I mentioned above is.

Progress has been made, but in order to have a totally free society, there's still a long way to go. Hopefully, New York's leadership will be a major step in a landslide for freedom for everyone. Don't give up hope.

Cat

 

[sportage]

I think they sold out. The "conditions" in the law should be an insult to same sex couples wanting to marry. Blacks in the 1960's fighting for civil rights would have never settled on "conditions" like this. If I were a lawyer with a client, and the other side made a settlement offer with these conditions, I would never accept it.
While this law might be some temporary "warm cozy feeling" for SS couples, until national federal recognition is the law, noting will be set in stone. A future public ballot vote, a future national constitutional amendment, and this all turns into smoke.

BTW... for every flaming offending outlandish gay photo someone puts up as the "typical" homosexual stereotype, I'm sure someone else can find an equal offending heterosexual disgusting photo to stick up here depicting the typical heterosexual. Maybe some photo of the cast of that once tv show HeeHaw? (Or was it YeeHaw?)
<insert mental photo link of toothless redneck beer gut HeeHaw cast members>

 

[Macamus Prime]

Welcome to America; if you are gay and in love, you have to fight for it. If you are 16 and you want to get married to a dirty old man, you just have to ask for your daddy's permission; http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-06-21/gossip/29707001_1_marriage-license-true-love-father

"Courtney was a virgin when she married Doug," said Krista Stoddden. "She is a good Christian girl."

So THATS what the gays were doing wrong! They weren't pretending to be "good Christian girls"! Uhm,... people.

 

[Macamus Prime]

BTW... for every flaming offending outlandish gay photo someone puts up as the "typical" homosexual stereotype, I'm sure someone else can find an equal offending heterosexual disgusting photo to stick up here depicting the typical heterosexual. Maybe some photo of the cast of that once tv show HeeHaw? (Or was it YeeHaw?)
<insert mental photo link of toothless redneck beer gut HeeHaw cast members>

Better yet; conservative children acting like total whores and trash. The Bush twins. Palin's daughter getting banged and knocked up out of wedlock.

Or, even better; McCain dumping his wife after he saw she was totally fuglied from a car accident. Real classy, American hero.

I will look to the conservatives to tell me how marriage should work? No thank you. I would like to respect and love my wife. I am sure homosexuals have the same approach to the loved one in their lives as well.

 

[yllus]

This was a decent thing to do:

CNN - I was wrong about same-sex marriage

Washington (CNN) -- I was a strong opponent of same-sex marriage. Fourteen years ago, Andrew Sullivan and I forcefully debated the issue at length online (at a time when online debate was a brand new thing).

Yet I find myself strangely untroubled by New York state's vote to authorize same-sex marriage -- a vote that probably signals that most of "blue" states will follow within the next 10 years.

I don't think I'm alone in my reaction either. Most conservatives have reacted with calm -- if not outright approval -- to New York's dramatic decision.

Why?

The short answer is that the case against same-sex marriage has been tested against reality. The case has not passed its test.

Since 1997, same-sex marriage has moved from theory to reality.
If people like me had been right, we should have seen the American family become radically more unstable over the subsequent decade and a half.

Instead -- while American family stability has continued to deteriorate -- it has deteriorated much more slowly than it did in the 1970s and 1980s before same-sex marriage was ever seriously thought of.

By the numbers, in fact, the 2000s were the least bad decade for American family stability since the fabled 1950s. And when you take a closer look at the American family, the facts have become even tougher for the anti-gay marriage position.

Take a closer look at the statistics about family stability. What you see is that middle-class families have become somewhat more stable than they used to be. For example: College-educated women who got married in the 1990s were much less likely to get divorced than equally educated women who got married in the 1970s.

What's new and different in the past 20 years is the collapse of the Hispanic immigrant family. First-generation Latino immigrants maintain traditional families: conservative values, low divorce rates, high fertility and -- despite low incomes -- mothers surprisingly often at home with the children.
But the second-generation Latino family looks very different. In the new country, old norms collapse. Nearly half of all children born to Hispanic mothers are now born out of wedlock.

Whatever is driving this negative trend, it seems more than implausible to connect it to same-sex marriage. How would it even work that a 15-year-old girl in Van Nuys, California, becomes more likely to have a baby because two men in Des Moines, Iowa, can marry?

Maybe somebody can believe the connection, but I cannot.

I remain as worried as ever about the decline in family stability among poorer Americans. But as for same-sex marriage, my attitude follows the trajectory described nearly 150 years ago by the English writer Anthony Trollope in his novel "Phineas Finn."

Two of his characters are discussing a proposed reform that has just been defeated in Parliament. The author of the reform is understandably dejected. His friend consoles him by pointing to the future:

"Many who before regarded legislation on the subject as chimerical, will now fancy that it is only dangerous, or perhaps not more than difficult. And so in time it will come to be looked on as among the things possible, then among the things probable; -- and so at last it will be ranged in the list of those few measures which the country requires as being absolutely needed. That is the way in which public opinion is made."

By coincidence, I am writing these words on the morning of my own 23rd wedding anniversary. Of all the blessings life has to offer, none equals a happy marriage. If proportionally fewer Americans enjoy that blessing today than did 40 years ago, we're going to have to look for the explanation somewhere other than the Legislature in Albany.

 

[Munky]

Welcome to America; if you are gay and in love, you have to fight for it. If you are 16 and you want to get married to a dirty old man, you just have to ask for your daddy's permission; http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-06-21/gossip/29707001_1_marriage-license-true-love-father


So THATS what the gays were doing wrong! They weren't pretending to be "good Christian girls"! Uhm,... people.

There's nothing dirty about it. Men prefer younger women, that's a fact. Although I call BS on her virginity claim.

 

[Craig234]

This was a decent thing to do:

CNN - I was wrong about same-sex marriage

Too bad Frum doesn't recognize how broadly his error here applies to his positions. He recognizes he was wrong after 100 blows to the head by a 2 by 4 of the facts of gay marriage after it happened - after he fought to prevent it - proving him wrong. No recognition of WHY he was wrong. The word 'bigotry' does not appear in his comments - except being implied as something he was guilty of but doesn't understand he was.

I'm a big fan of people who are wrong being supported to grow out of that.

I'm not such a big fan of media figures being overly rewarded for having been wrong and very selectively correcting it.

It's a little like watching, say, a former rapist make a ton of money talking about how much he realizes he was wrong. There are a lot of people who never raped who might be better listened to and given the rewards of media attention. Frum only has this national platform because of the artificially bought and paid for right-wing media industry, largely for having been the speechwriter for a guy who stole the presidency; his books sold to a right-wing market built up with subsidies.

It's a bit like the sales of David Brock's hack job against Anita Hill or any of the other hack jobs in that market the difference being David Brock came to admit he was making money from hack jobs from a bought and paid for industry, while Frum has not. A point I made to David Frum in person, and he was basically oblivious. I asked him if he'd recognized the same things about how corrupt the right-wing media industry is as Brock had - with a clear implication that he was the same sort of propagandist Brock had been.

He reacted with confusion, and just saying no, he had not. Well, he's closer to recognizing the problems with the right-wing propaganda in that industry on one issue.

Whoop de do. I applaud his progress on the issue, but it doesn't change him being a very harmful figure who makes the same mistake on other issues.

Frum's the author of the book highly praising Bush as a great president, "The Right Man". It's a good reflection of how helpful he is in the political media.

While it's tempting to repeat the positive about Frum's progress on one issue, it's worth noting that he says he's not a Christian - something awkward for him when apparently all staff like him were expected to attend bible study in the Bush White House - and just as Brock bring gay was important to his progress recognizing the right was wrong, it may have helped Frum question this issue as well.

Many Christians support gay marriage - but not so many on the ideological right. It's hard to think of many who have progressed as Frum finally, after over a decade watching his views proven wrong by gay marriage becoming legal and going fine by his own admission, did.

 

[OCGuy]

Too bad Obama doesnt agree with it.