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New York State Senate passes same sex marriage bill.e

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Specifically, it's natural for the few percent of human beings naturally gay to be so.
Wut. That's like me saying growing a third arm is unnatural and you saying well clearly it's natural for the 1/100,000 people who are born with a third arm to have one.

Biologically homosexuality is a failing (I think it's more biological a root than not). Yeah, it's not PC to say that but it at is absolutely correct. It does not enhance the individual or the species in any way. If you subscribe to it being biological it makes it much hard to condemn gays, too, as we'd typically not condemn somebody with another kind of handicap.

Now, you've straw-manned in this thread like crazy so just because I said it's a biological error doesn't mean I want them sent to the furnaces.
 
Wut. That's like me saying growing a third arm is unnatural and you saying well clearly it's natural for the 1/100,000 people who are born with a third arm to have one.

Biologically homosexuality is a failing (I think it's more biological a root than not). Yeah, it's not PC to say that but it at is absolutely correct. It does not enhance the individual or the species in any way. If you subscribe to it being biological it makes it much hard to condemn gays, too, as we'd typically not condemn somebody with another kind of handicap.

Now, you've straw-manned in this thread like crazy so just because I said it's a biological error doesn't mean I want them sent to the furnaces.

Being gay isn't a handicap.
 
Are you seriously asking in what way does being homosexual cause a problem for a person? Really, you're asking that? Do we need to go back to what being homosexual actually is?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

Next hint: where do children come from.

Damn, I said I wouldn't do it!

So you're saying that gay people are incapable of having children?

Do you think that being attracted to men makes men sterile?

On a side note does that mean you think that bisexuals have no problems? Bisexual people have almost an advantage over heterosexuals logically as they are able to be attracted to more people.
 
So heterosexuality is not a choice, but homosexuality is.

Yeah, this TOTALLY makes sense.

Why, then, do you propose that anyone would choose to have a sexual orientation that is mocked and denigrated by bigots, often scorned, ignored, or even "beaten out of you" by parents, something that is used as an insult by schoolchildren, college students, and even many adults? Why would anyone would choose to proclaim themselves gay when it may get them assaulted, beaten, or killed, depending on where you live and who knows? Why would anyone choose that lifestyle that will deny you "marriage", or even the basic rights to see your partner in the hospital, to make medical decisions for them by default if they cannot, and keep you from the financial tax-related benefits of marriage? Why would anyone choose to often be kicked out of their chosen church, and to not be allowed to adopt by certain adoption agencies? Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that will prevent them from donating blood, even if they wish to do something to help others? Why?

Still waiting.
 
if watching The History Channel has taught me anything, it's that for the thousands and thousands of years before marriage was commonly assumed to be a union between a man and a woman, it's that humans were incapable of breeding and we were all artificially inseminated by the ancient aliens who built the pyramids.
 
So you're saying that gay people are incapable of having children?
Why don't you google the stats on what percentage of gay men have a biological child vs hetero. I'd say preferring to sleep with men to women is a pretty damn huge problem from a reproductive standpoint, and given that biologically speaking reproductive abilities are prime motivators they are clearly short in that area.
On a side note does that mean you think that bisexuals have no problems? Bisexual people have almost an advantage over heterosexuals logically as they are able to be attracted to more people.
Reproductively how does being bisexual make you have more children than hetero? Being "attracted to more people" doesn't create children.
 
Wut. That's like me saying growing a third arm is unnatural and you saying well clearly it's natural for the 1/100,000 people who are born with a third arm to have one.

Biologically homosexuality is a failing (I think it's more biological a root than not). Yeah, it's not PC to say that but it at is absolutely correct. It does not enhance the individual or the species in any way. If you subscribe to it being biological it makes it much hard to condemn gays, too, as we'd typically not condemn somebody with another kind of handicap.

Now, you've straw-manned in this thread like crazy so just because I said it's a biological error doesn't mean I want them sent to the furnaces.
even if you're 100% correct, what does that have to do with gays getting married?

homosexuality is not a handicap that prevents them from consenting to entering into any type of legal contract and infertile couples, couples who don't want kids, couples who are too old to have kids, etc, etc, etc get married all the time.
 
even if you're 100% correct, what does that have to do with gays getting married?

homosexuality is not a handicap that prevents them from consenting to entering into any type of legal contract and infertile couples, couples who don't want kids, couples who are too old to have kids, etc, etc, etc get married all the time.
Nothing, you're jumping into the middle of the conversation without reading the rest of my posts.
 
Why don't you google the stats on what percentage of gay men have a biological child vs hetero. I'd say preferring to sleep with men to women is a pretty damn huge problem from a reproductive standpoint, and given that biologically speaking reproductive abilities are prime motivators they are clearly short in that area.Reproductively how does being bisexual make you have more children than hetero? Being "attracted to more people" doesn't create children.

So are you saying that a life is wasted without children? Biological children are the be-all and end-all of existence?
 
There is research suggesting that the biological basis for gay men has to do with an inherited gene from their mother. Mother's of gay men have been found to have statistically significantly more children than mothers of straight men. This women may be more fertile or have more sexual partners, the reason for more children isn't really known. It's possible this fertility/preference for male partners is passed on through the X chromosome. For gay men at least, homosexuality appears to have something to do with the X chromosome.

All vertebrate embryos start off as female, and it takes special circumstances for them to become male. It would be relatively common for this transitional process to produce biological differences that could impact sexual orientation.

Some have suggested that having gay men increases resource generation potential without causing a new drain on resources through additional children. This increases the likelihood of survival among the next generation as there is less competition and additional labor potential.

So there is plenty of reason why homosexuality has not "evolved" out of the gene pool. As I said earlier, it requires more complex thinking then "men can't have babies, ergo homosexuality has no evolutionary value." There are numerous genetic differences that are outside of normal that end up having unexpected or non-obvious benefits.
 
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New York citizens didn't vote on gay marriage (it would have failed because of so many minorities) - it was passed politically.

Bullshit! The majority of New Yorkers favor allowing same sex marriage, and the percentage in favor is rising. In January, a poll by Quinnipiac University found 56% of New York voters favored allowing same sex marriage.

Gay marriage supported by record number of New York voters: 56% according to new poll

BY GLENN BLAIN
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU
Thursday, January 27, 2011

ALBANY - A record number of New York voters want gay marriage legalized, a new poll found.

Fifty-six percent of Empire State voters favor same-sex nuptials, up from the previous best of 51% in 2009, according to the Quinnipiac University survey.

"Gov. Cuomo didn't make a big issue of same-sex marriage in his State of the State speech, but he said he was for it and so are most New Yorkers," said Quinnipiac poll director Maurice Carroll.

Empire State Pride Agenda boss Ross Levi hailed the results, saying it's time "loving same-sex couples in New York can finally protect each other and their children just like any other family."

Support split along party lines, with 69% of Democrats and 55% of independent voters onboard, while the majority of Republicans are opposed.
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By June, the same poll showed that those in favor had risen another 2%.

A New Bipartisan Consensus Emerging on Gay Marriage?

Daniel Honan on June 14, 2011, 12:00 AM
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According to a recent Quinnipiac Poll, a large majority of New Yorkers support gay marriage, with 58 percent in favor and 36 percent opposed.
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50% of NY churches are Catholic - and many are now full of illegal immigrants to boot. The Catholic Churches are not independent and cant do what the Pope wouldn't. Immigrants and blacks are the most against homosexual joints to start out with. NY is a victory now - won't be in long term.


70% of blacks backed Prop. 8

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html

60% of balcks Oppose Gay Marriage

http://drboycespeaks.blogspot.com/2011/04/poll-over-60-of-african-americans.html

Only 37% of blacks support gay marriage

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/20/local/me-gaymarriage20

Majority of Hispanics Oppose ' Gay Marriage':

http://juantornoe.blogs.com/hispani..._campaign=Feed:+blogs/kJUd+(HispanicTrending)

150 Hispanic churches in New York rally against gay marriage

http://www.christianpost.com/news/h...-diaz-against-gay-marriage-in-new-york-51256/

A coalition of 34,000 black churches against of gay marriage.

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/na...-obama-for-abandoning-defense-of-marriage-act

In the United States of America, the good news is, the Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. The issue is the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection under the law. Federal and state civil laws afford specific rights, privileges and advantages to married couples, including tax advantages and the right to speak for an incapacitated spouce.

Under the New York law, no church has to approve of same sex marriages, and they don't have to offer marriage services to gay couples, but none of those churches has any right, whatsoever, to deny or restrict any of those rights, privileges and advantage to any American citizen.

And I'd bet no gay couple who wants to get married gives a damn what any of those bigoted churches have to say about it.

As a sovereign State, they can pass anything they want but it is not marriage.

Says who? If you live in New York, YES, IT IS! :thumbsup:

Does a black person being against giving equal rights to gays count as irony?

I think so.

It strongly suggests stupidity and an ugly mean streak, as well.

Does a black person being against giving equal rights to gays count as irony?

I think so.

"Black" is not a choice..

Prove that being gay is.

In short I am tired of that argument Craig. Find something else.

You're tired of it only because you can't refute it. All you've got is the irony of your own bigotry. Pathetic! :thumbsdown:

But congratulations. Thanks to you, classy is the only one word oxymoron in in the English language. D:

Still digusting even if they are black. You can put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

Just as you can be an African American bigot, and you're still a bigot.

Ok.

Gay is a choice.

Prove that, or you're just spewing your own bigotry.

That's OK. Choice is a good thing in a free society. Now that New York has made the union of two men or two women legal, would they still be legal if they moved to, say, Texas?

As Aegeon posted, under Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, YES. It's called the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

The Full Faith and Credit Clause is the familiar name used to refer to Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, which addresses the duties that states within the United States have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." According to the Supreme Court, there is a difference between the credit owed to laws (i.e. legislative measures and common law) as compared to the credit owed to judgments.[1] Judgments are generally entitled to greater respect than laws, in other states.[2] At present, it is widely agreed that this Clause of the Constitution has little impact on a court's choice of law decision,[3] although this Clause of the Constitution was once interpreted differently.[4] Federal statutory law provides that:

Such Acts, records and judicial proceedings or copies thereof, so authenticated, shall have the same full faith and credit in every court within the United States and its Territories and Possessions as they have by law or usage in the courts of such State, Territory or Possession from which they are taken.​

Why does the government have to have a say in marriage for those things to work? I am failing to see that connection.

As I posted, above, the Federal and state governments grant specific civil rights, privileges and advantages to married couples. The Constution demands that such rights, privileges and advantages must be granted to all citizens, not just a special class of citizens such as heterosexuals.

Did I say that heterosexualism was a choice?

The word is heterosexuality, and you implied as much when you said that being gay is a choice. You still haven't proven that, and you can't.

OK, feel free to replace with the word shortcoming.

No, but BIGOTRY like yours is both a failing and a shortcoming.

Are you seriously asking in what way does being homosexual cause a problem for a person? Really, you're asking that? Do we need to go back to what being homosexual actually is?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

From your link:

ho·mo·sex·u·al

1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex

2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Next hint: where do children come from.

Hint: Not all people want children. Some are quite content and even more productive without assuming the burden of raising children. Some people shouldn't have children. Bigots come to mind. 🙄
 
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Harvey, with regards to your first statement to finglobes, and your subsequent surveys, I do believe the question should be put to a vote by the citizens of the state. A poll is not nearly the same thing. They can then vote to not allow gay marriage... which the courts should promptly toss out. But the point is in allowing the people to express their collective view as per the design of a democracy, and then, if they choose to enshrine bigotry, the courts overrule them.

What's wrong with a little idealism; to hope that maybe they'd choose correctly?
 
Harvey, with regards to your first statement to finglobes, and your subsequent surveys, I do believe the question should be put to a vote by the citizens of the state. A poll is not nearly the same thing. They can then vote to not allow gay marriage... which the courts should promptly toss out. But the point is in allowing the people to express their collective view as per the design of a democracy, and then, if they choose to enshrine bigotry, the courts overrule them.

What's wrong with a little idealism; to hope that maybe they'd choose correctly?

He stated unequivocally that the bill would have failed because of so many minorities. I just cited current polls strongly indicating that he was full of crap.

Furthermore, he based a lot of his opinion on the positions of some churches. Churches are entitled to spew their own mythology to their sheep, but they have no legal right or standing to deny the rights guaranteed to all American citizens under the U.S. Constitution based on their dogma.

One of the major principles of the Constitution is to protect minorities from tyranny of the majority.
 
There is research suggesting that the biological basis for gay men has to do with an inherited gene from their mother. Mother's of gay men have been found to have statistically significantly more children than mothers of straight men. This women may be more fertile or have more sexual partners, the reason for more children isn't really known. It's possible this fertility/preference for male partners is passed on through the X chromosome. For gay men at least, homosexuality appears to have something to do with the X chromosome.

All vertebrate embryos start off as female, and it takes special circumstances for them to become male. It would be relatively common for this transitional process to produce biological differences that could impact sexual orientation.

Some have suggested that having gay men increases resource generation potential without causing a new drain on resources through additional children. This increases the likelihood of survival among the next generation as there is less competition and additional labor potential.

So there is plenty of reason why homosexuality has not "evolved" out of the gene pool. As I said earlier, it requires more complex thinking then "men can't have babies, ergo homosexuality has no evolutionary value." There are numerous genetic differences that are outside of normal that end up having unexpected or non-obvious benefits.

Nice post without emotional drama that others are throwing in here (both sides).
 
Wut. That's like me saying growing a third arm is unnatural and you saying well clearly it's natural for the 1/100,000 people who are born with a third arm to have one.
Is it your claim that people with physical deformities have violated some kind of natural law? Are you saying that physical deformities are miracles?

Biologically homosexuality is a failing (I think it's more biological a root than not). Yeah, it's not PC to say that but it at is absolutely correct. It does not enhance the individual or the species in any way. If you subscribe to it being biological it makes it much hard to condemn gays, too, as we'd typically not condemn somebody with another kind of handicap.

Now, you've straw-manned in this thread like crazy so just because I said it's a biological error doesn't mean I want them sent to the furnaces.
Please substantiate your implicit premise that there is a "correct" biological makeup of a human being.

Hint: you can't because there is no such thing.
 
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It does not enhance the individual or the species in any way.

That's a very bold (and unsubstantiated) statement. Upon what are you basing it?

If you subscribe to it being biological it makes it much hard to condemn gays, too, as we'd typically not condemn somebody with another kind of handicap.

It's not a handicap or a shortcoming. It's an abnormality. Nothing you've offered in subsequent posts has demonstrated how it's in any way a handicap, shortcoming, or otherwise detrimental.
 
Government has to be involved with marriage or whatever name it takes on in the future. What happens legally when a marriage dissolves? Assets have to be divided/apportioned. Children have to be assigned custody. All that good stuff.

Uh. Civil court? Like I said I fail to see the reason for gubment to be in marriage. You guys just keep making excuses for it. Government has no place in our personal lives and that includes marriage. There should be no separate laws/rules for a married person or a single person.
 
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