New York Cop Who Pepper Sprayed Driver For Giving Him the Middle Finger Getting Fired

[waggy]

This is more akin to running around times square getting in people's faces until one of them finally decks you and then complaining about the violence.

Those two morons would have never even spoken to each other if he hadn't initiated the situation solely in hopes of generating a reaction.

There is so much legitimate injustice and police thuggery going on, why does he feel the need to generate his own? And why do you feel compelled to support him?

Viper GTS

and if what you describe happens the person that finally decks them would be charged with assault.

IF the moron wouldn't have flipped out and broken the law when he was flipped off this wouldn't be news.

The only person who broke the law was the cop. It does not matter if it was a setup. IF he wouldn't have broke the law this would not be news.


I don't see why people are defending him. This is just as if the cops set up speed traps, prostitution stings etc.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The cops acted like power hungry douche's, and should not have arrested him or sprayed him. But I do agree with you, they set them up.

You can't set up a good cop. Anyone who can be pushed to commit felony assault by getting flipped off is a dangerous animal and the world is a better place if that particular dangerous animal is fired.

 

[Mai72]

Cops do get fired.

An old friend who I grew up with was a sergeant for a number of years. He had the pension. Good pay, etc... The problem was he had Napolean complex. He was known for abusing people just because he could get away with it. His father was a cop and so are his 2 brothers. About 5 years ago he kicked 2 teenagers in the face. They were handcuffed and subdued. They posed a 0% threat.

He went to trial and was terminated. None of his coworkers came to his defense. He was stripped of his badge and lost his job. Lost everything. Pension, healthcare, etc... He also served a little over a year in a 5 year sentence. He even lost his public works position that he got after he was fired from the police force.

 

[Viper GTS]

and if what you describe happens the person that finally decks them would be charged with assault.

IF the moron wouldn't have flipped out and broken the law when he was flipped off this wouldn't be news.

The only person who broke the law was the cop. It does not matter if it was a setup. IF he wouldn't have broke the law this would not be news.


I don't see why people are defending him. This is just as if the cops set up speed traps, prostitution stings etc.

Yep and this cop likely will too. This story isn't over, the system is working as it should.

Everybody just needs to chill the fuck out and see how it plays out. Things take time here in the real world.

rudeguy's rabid anti-cop schtick is blinding him to the reality that it's possible they were both in the wrong. And apparently causing him to equate provoking strangers in the hope of generating an unlawful response with domestic violence.

Viper GTS

 

[rudeguy]

Yep and this cop likely will too. This story isn't over, the system is working as it should.

Everybody just needs to chill the fuck out and see how it plays out. Things take time here in the real world.

rudeguy's rabid anti-cop schtick is blinding him to the reality that it's possible they were both in the wrong.

Viper GTS

Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean I get to punch them in the face. Or pepper spray them.


Now please kindly answer my question:

If a woman flipped off her husband and he beat her for it, would the woman be responsible?

 

[Brovane]

No its not.

The guy did not get in the cop's face. This is exactly like the instance I gave, so I will ask again:

If a woman flips off her husband and he beats her for doing it, is it the woman's fault?

NO it isn't the woman's fault and the husband is at fault. Interested to see how Viper_GTS answers this one.

 

[rudeguy]

NO it isn't the woman's fault and the husband is at fault.

There we go.

Now was the woman a jerk for flipping him off? Yea, probably. Should she have done that? No, probably not.

Doesn't mean the husband wouldn't be taken to jail and charged with assault. Just like this cop should be charged with at least assault for his actions. Other people's actions don't get to dictate your actions. That's just how being an adult works.

 

[Brainonska511]

and if what you describe happens the person that finally decks them would be charged with assault.

IF the moron wouldn't have flipped out and broken the law when he was flipped off this wouldn't be news.

The only person who broke the law was the cop. It does not matter if it was a setup. IF he wouldn't have broke the law this would not be news.


I don't see why people are defending him. This is just as if the cops set up speed traps, prostitution stings etc.

If this guy flipped out over being flipped the bird (and it happened to be caught on video), it seems to me that we need to ask: what has this guy done that hasn't been caught on video?

 

[waggy]

And apparently causing him to equate provoking strangers in the hope of generating an unlawful response with domestic violence.

Viper GTS

but he ask a good quesiton. IF a wife gets the shit beat out of her for flipping off her husband is she at fault? seems with your logic she would be.

or is it a special set of rules for cops?

If this guy flipped out over being flipped the bird (and it happened to be caught on video), it seems to me that we need to ask: what has this guy done that hasn't been caught on video?

exactly.

 

[Kwatt]

Just like when the cops set up a "sting".

There is an saying goes something like "You can't con an honest man"

When LEO's set up a "crime" in order to catch the "bad guys". They can't complain when citizens use the same technique to catch the "bad cops"

.

 

[Markbnj]

So they go around trying to provoke incidents, pushing buttons. Legally it looks like they did nothing wrong, morally I think they did.

These things don't generally happen in a vacuum. I agree that they were trolling the cops. On the other hand, the cops wouldn't be getting trolled if there wasn't a widespread feeling that they are usurping authority that is not theirs.

 

[mikeymikec]

They both did it. If either one of them hadn't chosen to be a dick none of this would have been an issue.

Actually it would, because this officer would have carried on being a douche to other people (ie. do you honestly think the guy getting abused by this officer is or would ever have been the only one?). I'd call being pepper-sprayed and arrested despite not committing a crime to be "an issue".

 

[Viper GTS]

There we go.

Now was the woman a jerk for flipping him off? Yea, probably. Should she have done that? No, probably not.

Doesn't mean the husband wouldn't be taken to jail and charged with assault. Just like this cop should be charged with at least assault for his actions. Other people's actions don't get to dictate your actions. That's just how being an adult works.

We are in complete agreement on this. On every single point. That does not mean, however that these situations are analogous. I'd already pointed out that provoking strangers in hopes of inciting an unlawful response is not the same as domestic violence, it should be obvious to anyone that it is not acceptable to beat your wife regardless of provocation and your absurd analogy didn't warrant direct response.

Anyway.

As a society we should be worrying a lot more about this kind of thing:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/before-the-law

Than one idiot looking for trouble and finding it. Yes fire the cop. Yes charge him. But that doesn't mean the driver is much of a victim here. Direct our outrage towards the real injustices and maybe we can accomplish something.

Viper GTS

 

[Rakehellion]

But I think that taking away someone's ability to make a living in the only way they likely know how AND simultaneously obliterating their reputation is effectively destroying someone's life.

The cop did that to himself.

 

[waggy]

We are in complete agreement on this. On every single point. That does not mean, however that these situations are analogous. I'd already pointed out that provoking strangers in hopes of inciting an unlawful response is not the same as domestic violence, it should be obvious to anyone that it is not acceptable to beat your wife regardless of provocation and your absurd analogy didn't warrant direct response.

Anyway.

As a society we should be worrying a lot more about this kind of thing:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/before-the-law

Than one idiot looking for trouble and finding it. Yes fire the cop. Yes charge him. But that doesn't mean the driver is much of a victim here. Direct our outrage towards the real injustices and maybe we can accomplish something.

Viper GTS

you keep avoiding a straight foreword question. IF a women flips off her husband and he beats the shit out of her is she at fault? though i understand why you keep avoiding it. you kinda backed yourself into a corner with your answers so far.

he is a victim. he was unlawfully arrested and assaulted. that is the a definition of victim. This is a real injustice a cop should not be abusing people and using the law to make false arrest. not to mention his temper if he does all of this over getting flipped off.

frankly all of his arrest should be looked at now.

 

[Rakehellion]

but he ask a good quesiton. IF a wife gets the shit beat out of her for flipping off her husband is she at fault? seems with your logic she would be.

or is it a special set of rules for cops?

Cop apologists say yes.

 

[purbeast0]

you keep avoiding a straight foreword question. IF a women flips off her husband and he beats the shit out of her is she at fault? though i understand why you keep avoiding it. you kinda backed yourself into a corner with your answers so far.

he is a victim. he was unlawfully arrested and assaulted. that is the a definition of victim. This is a real injustice a cop should not be abusing people and using the law to make false arrest. not to mention his temper if he does all of this over getting flipped off.

frankly all of his arrest should be looked at now.

all this is true.

and the "victim" is still a douchebag.

 

[jlee]

you keep avoiding a straight foreword question. IF a women flips off her husband and he beats the shit out of her is she at fault? though i understand why you keep avoiding it. you kinda backed yourself into a corner with your answers so far.

he is a victim. he was unlawfully arrested and assaulted. that is the a definition of victim. This is a real injustice a cop should not be abusing people and using the law to make false arrest. not to mention his temper if he does all of this over getting flipped off.

frankly all of his arrest should be looked at now.

If you don't see the difference between:
1) someone setting up cameras and baiting people into doing shit so they can become famous on youtube, and
2) wife flipping off husband,

then you aren't going to be able to comprehend any further discussion.

You're arguing with someone who is agreeing with you. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.

 

[Viper GTS]

you keep avoiding a straight foreword question. IF a women flips off her husband and he beats the shit out of her is she at fault? though i understand why you keep avoiding it. you kinda backed yourself into a corner with your answers so far.

he is a victim. he was unlawfully arrested and assaulted. that is the a definition of victim. This is a real injustice a cop should not be abusing people and using the law to make false arrest. not to mention his temper if he does all of this over getting flipped off.

frankly all of his arrest should be looked at now.

Seriously?

This is just getting ridiculous now. I agree with rudeguy's analysis of both situations entirely.

In simple words so everyone understands:

It's not OK to beat your wife, regardless of provocation.
It's not OK to pepper spray a driver because he flipped you off.

I would also add (this one is a bit more complicated):

While it is legally OK for you to flip off cops you should find better ways to spend your time, and if you find a cop that pepper sprays you I will simultaneously support:

1) Firing the cop
2) Charging the cop
3) A jury awarding you $0 because you're an idiot

Viper GTS

 

[Kwatt]

or is it a special set of rules for cops?

Cop apologists say yes.

Law Enforcement Officers' Bill of Rights

I guess the our Bill of Rights aren't good enough...



.

 

[waggy]

If you don't see the difference between:
1) someone setting up cameras and baiting people into doing shit so they can become famous on youtube, and
2) wife flipping off husband,

then you aren't going to be able to comprehend any further discussion.

You're arguing with someone who is agreeing with you. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.

He was assaulted for flipping off the cop. that is not justification for assault. Or the cameras or anything. The cop did not have the right to touch him

just as a wife flipping off a husband does did not give him the right.


IF it's not right ofr the husband it's not right for the cop.

so yeah what's the difference? besides the fact he was a cop?

 

[Phokus]

Cops do get fired.

An old friend who I grew up with was a sergeant for a number of years. He had the pension. Good pay, etc... The problem was he had Napolean complex. He was known for abusing people just because he could get away with it. His father was a cop and so are his 2 brothers. About 5 years ago he kicked 2 teenagers in the face. They were handcuffed and subdued. They posed a 0% threat.

He went to trial and was terminated. None of his coworkers came to his defense. He was stripped of his badge and lost his job. Lost everything. Pension, healthcare, etc... He also served a little over a year in a 5 year sentence. He even lost his public works position that he got after he was fired from the police force.

This is like written porn for me, wish this happened more.

 

[Mai72]

This is like written porn for me, wish this happened more.

You can read the story here if you like.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/...cle_42180d14-31e1-11e3-8a49-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[purbeast0]

He was assaulted for flipping off the cop. that is not justification for assault. Or the cameras or anything. The cop did not have the right to touch him

just as a wife flipping off a husband does did not give him the right.


IF it's not right ofr the husband it's not right for the cop.

so yeah what's the difference? besides the fact he was a cop?

ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE? NOBODY IS SAYING THE COP ASSAULTING HIM WAS JUSTIFIED. NOBODY IN THIS FUCKING THREAD IS SAYING THAT.

/caps

 

[waggy]

ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE? NOBODY IS SAYING THE COP ASSAULTING HIM WAS JUSTIFIED. NOBODY IN THIS FUCKING THREAD IS SAYING THAT.

/caps

no he is saying the guy who flipped him off is at fault for being arrested. Rude asked if a wife flipping off her husband is at fault. seems like a legit question to ask.