New York Cop Who Pepper Sprayed Driver For Giving Him the Middle Finger Getting Fired

[Red Squirrel]

Only because citizens have had enough, leveraged inexpensive cameras, and taken matters into their own hands.

Time to disband most internal affairs departments. Totally useless at ensuring a high quality police force.

Yep all these videos and the general ease of access to cameras because of phones having them sure has helped. It does make you wonder how much crap goes on that nobody ever hears about too. Even most of the stuff caught on video the cops don't really get in trouble. It's very rare that it happens.

 

[BoberFett]

Right, because cops NEVER use entrapment...

Some people will excuse any douchebag cop.

 

[jlee]

Right, because cops NEVER use entrapment...

Some people will excuse any douchebag cop.

Pretty sure this entire thread is basically *not* excusing.

But, of course, it wouldn't be a cop thread without you talking shit.

 

[BoberFett]

Pretty sure this entire thread is basically *not* excusing.

But, of course, it wouldn't be a cop thread without you talking shit.

I didn't make it past the first page where a bunch of people were calling what the civilian did "shady". Cops do drug buys, make weapons deals, use fake hookers, set out bait cars, all kinds of "shady" stuff. This guy gave someone the finger. Oh noes!!!

And it wouldn't be a cop thread without you defending the blue wall. Good to see you, as always. /wave

 

[Gerle]

This 'whistleblower/entrapment' dude got off way too easy with the pepper spray. A true thug in the heart of a ghetto would have given him far worse.

And that is the standard you hold our public servants to?

 

[jlee]

I didn't make it past the first page where a bunch of people were calling what the civilian did "shady". Cops do drug buys, make weapons deals, use fake hookers, set out bait cars, all kinds of "shady" stuff. This guy gave someone the finger. Oh noes!!!

And it wouldn't be a cop thread without you defending the blue wall. Good to see you, as always. /wave

Not defending - but hey, hard to have a discussion with someone who makes accusations without reading the thread.

Carry on, Mr. Troll.

 

[BoberFett]

Pretty sure this entire thread is basically *not* excusing.

Maybe not excusing, but definitely victim blaming. Shall I continue?

So they were doing a setup for a "test" like entrapment. I don't think the cop should have pepper sprayed the dude, but what they were doing is a bit shady also.

I agree, shady as shit. I often rally against the abuse of power. But respect is a two-way street.

This 'whistleblower/entrapment' dude got off way too easy with the pepper spray. A true thug in the heart of a ghetto would have given him far worse.

So they go around trying to provoke incidents, pushing buttons. Legally it looks like they did nothing wrong, morally I think they did.

Exactly. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

They both did it. If either one of them hadn't chosen to be a dick none of this would have been an issue.

Going around being a dick in hopes of triggering a response should not be an acceptable behavior. I'm not saying it should be legally unacceptable, merely that normal, well adjusted people should look at this and say "Wow you are really a worthless asshole."

Viper GTS

I put these assholes up there with the other assholes who go to McDonalds with a AR on thier back. the only reason they do it is to piss people off and film the aftermath.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

BoberFett, do you consider members of the Westboro Church to be victims worth pitying? I don't think the dude in the op should charged in any way and that he was justified to do what he did, but that doesn't mean he didn't resort to assholeish methods to do it. This isn't a guy open-carrying without disturbing anyone, it isn't a guy being profiled for playing frisbee golf, it's a guy going out of his way to provoke a response.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I feel like some people in here are wired in such a way that they are literally incapable of recognizing that conflicts exist in which every participant is in the wrong. Legally, you have the right to be an asshole, but that doesn't make it a good idea. The cop was clearly more wrong, but that doesn't make the provocateur less of an asshole. Hamburger's point about the WBC is on point; people intentionally attempting to provoke a violent response may have the legal right to do it, but most of us agree that such behavior is solely reserved for complete cocks.

 

[BoberFett]

BoberFett, do you consider members of the Westboro Church to be victims worth pitying? I don't think the dude in the op should charged in any way and that he was justified to do what he did, but that doesn't mean he didn't resort to assholeish methods to do it. This isn't a guy open-carrying without disturbing anyone, it isn't a guy being profiled for playing frisbee golf, it's a guy going out of his way to provoke a response.

I feel like some people in here are wired in such a way that they are literally incapable of recognizing that conflicts exist in which every participant is in the wrong. Legally, you have the right to be an asshole, but that doesn't make it a good idea. The cop was clearly more wrong, but that doesn't make the provocateur less of an asshole. Hamburger's point about the WBC is on point; people intentionally attempting to provoke a violent response may have the legal right to do it, but most of us agree that such behavior is solely reserved for complete cocks.

And that slut asked to be raped, right? I mean look at those clothes!

Come on, at least try to be consistent in your opinions.

 

[Ns1]

And that slut asked to be raped, right? I mean look at those clothes!

Come on, at least try to be consistent in your opinions.

Well if that fucking slut wouldn't walk around being all slutty and shit.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

And that slut asked to be raped, right? I mean look at those clothes!

Come on, at least try to be consistent in your opinions.

There's no inconsistency. I think that everyone who goes out and intentionally attempts to provoke a violent reaction is acting like an asshole. A woman who dresses provocatively is not attempting to get raped. A man who films himself flipping off cops is absolutely attempting to provoke a violent response. That doesn't justify the cop's behavior, but it's not even remotely the same as a woman who is sexually assaulted simply for wearing a particular outfit. It's all about the intentions behind the actions.

 

[Ns1]

There's no inconsistency. I think that everyone who goes out and intentionally attempts to provoke a violent reaction is acting like an asshole. A woman who dresses provocatively is not attempting to get raped. A man who films himself flipping off cops is absolutely attempting to provoke a violent response. That doesn't justify the cop's behavior, but it's not even remotely the same as a woman who is sexually assaulted simply for wearing a particular outfit. It's all about the intentions behind the actions.

FTFY. They're both trying to solicit a response. Only a bad person makes it a violent response.

 

[Pulsar]

And that slut asked to be raped, right? I mean look at those clothes!

Come on, at least try to be consistent in your opinions.

Grow up and stop intentionally trolling. You're acting no different than the guy giving the cops the bird. You're being an asshole.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And that slut asked to be raped, right? I mean look at those clothes!

Come on, at least try to be consistent in your opinions.

I think you could fairly argue that wearing very revealing/sexual clothing invites comments or at least leers, but it's not the same thing as an intentional insult.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

FTFY. They're both trying to solicit a response. Only a bad person makes it a violent response.

They aren't both trying to solicit a response. Believe it or not, a woman is not always choosing her outfit based on whether or not it will make men horny. But these guys who go out with cameras and film themselves pushing the lines with police to flaunt their civil rights aren't doing it by accident; they are intentionally provoking people. Again, I think it's wrong for the cops to lash out violently, and it's good to get them the hell off the police force where they clearly don't belong. But let's not pretend that the person doing this is some completely innocent victim; if he hadn't been engaging in assholish behavior to begin with (flipping off a cop for absolutely no reason), none of this would have happened. That's slightly different than wearing spaghetti straps.

Again, just because you have the legal right to do something doesn't make it a good idea. You can protest a soldier's funeral, but why would you? You can march down Main Street with a "God Hates Fags" sign, but why would you? You can flip off a police officer, but why would you? You can bring your rifle to the airport, but why would you? If you can't come up with a single justification for something beyond "it is not illegal for me to do this," maybe you're engaging in dickish behavior. It's your right as an American to be a dick, and I support that... but I'm still going to point out that maybe you should consider not being a dick.

 

[Ns1]

They aren't both trying to solicit a response. Believe it or not, a woman is not always choosing her outfit based on whether or not it will make men horny.

 

[SolMiester]

Exactly. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

Cops seem happy with entrapment, how many times we seen them do it to bust guys getting a leg over?
They plant a woman cop to entrap Jo's!

 

[Ackmed]

hmm if the cops can't fallow the law what does it matter? it was a setup. again so what?

they shouldn't have anything to fear in these setups if they fallow the law

Can you at least attempt to spell correctly and not look so uneducated? It really hurts my head to try to read your posts. Thanks.

I already said the cop should't have done anything he did. He should be punished for it, and he was. That does not change the fact that the guy who flipped him off was a total instigator. The cop should have just laughed at him, ignored him, whatever. But he didn't, did wrong, and got punished. Rightfully so. This tool bag who flipped him off isn't brave, a hero, or doing anything other than making things worse. I would love to see him do that to someone who isn't wearing a badge, and get the beat down he deserves.

You arguing with Viper when he is agreeing with you is one of the funniest things I have ever read on here. You are really just that slow, ignorant, or something else. So thanks for that.

I have not seen anyone say the cops actions were ok, or that he shouldn't have gotten in trouble. The basic consensus is that the cop was a douche, and got what he deserved, to be fired. The guy who was out looking for just that response and pushing buttons (definitely not the first time he's tried this, but first we've seen of it) is also a douche and should no go around poking bears then getting mad when he gets bitten. He is as much of the problem as the cop who overreacted. There was no story here, no abuse of power until he instigated it. Nobody is defending the actions of the cop, just stating that the instigator is also a douche. If you can't see that both sides are to blame, then oh well.

Atomic Playboy said it perfectly in his last post.

Another thing:

If he's running around with cameras setup trying to do this, you can bet this is not the first time he's done it. He probably has deleted dozens (hundreds?) of encounters that were complete non-events. As a tax payer (albeit not in NY) I do not support giving him any public funds to reward this shit. Yes he found one guy with a short temper. We fired him. This should be the end of the story.

Viper GTS

Of course he has done this numerous times before. And I would bet most often times the cops act accordingly. But he doesn't want to show when cops act good, only bad. Which is what the media does, and certainly the vast majority of cop hating members here.

 

[Humpy]

There's no inconsistency. I think that everyone who goes out and intentionally attempts to provoke a violent reaction is acting like an asshole. A woman who dresses provocatively is not attempting to get raped. A man who films himself flipping off cops is absolutely attempting to provoke a violent response. That doesn't justify the cop's behavior, but it's not even remotely the same as a woman who is sexually assaulted simply for wearing a particular outfit. It's all about the intentions behind the actions.

Freedom fighters are the assholes?

 

[master_shake_]

Exactly. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right.

not sure if sig worthy...

:hmm:

 

[pcgeek11]

Its not entrapment.

You should really look up what that word means.

You should look it up. What they were doing is entrapment.

Entrapment is when you induce someone to do something they wouldn't normally do.

I my opinion that is what they were trying to do. induce, Baiting, Goad, Poking a dog with a pointy stick whatever you want to call it. They were trying to get a reaction and were successful.

As I said the cop did go overboard, but these assholes that were "baiting, goading, inducing, or entrapping " were just asking for it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Maybe not excusing, but definitely victim blaming. Shall I continue?

Out of all that bullshit you quoted nobody defended the cop.

We were just pointing out how crappy it is to bait someone into doing something in that manner. Not just these two meat heads, but anyone, even the police.

 

[Howard]

If all it takes is a middle finger to expose cops who can't handle their power properly, I say cops should be getting middle fingers much more frequently.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The cops acted like power hungry douche's, and should not have arrested him or sprayed him. But I do agree with you, they set them up.

Set the cop up how?
The cop should have been aware that anybody can flip you a cop the finger......the cop is responsible for his own actions!!