New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Seriously, who comes up with this new age "self-esteem is precious" crap? That person (or people) should be taken out back and shot.

no doubt.

The "everyone is a winner" mentality is what is making quality workers harder to find, IMHO. This is going to make students think that they can get by without doing the work and in the real world that will get you a ticket to the unemployment line. If the goal is to make more people finish high school with a diploma then the problem is that administrators don't understand the old analogy "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

Originally posted by: loki8481
always hated most homework.

I never understood why I should be screwed for not doing busywork when I was able to show clear knowledge and understanding of facts/concepts on tests and papers.

I'm in the exact same boat it took me until I hit the real world to realize that while I could screw around forever and hit the jackpot by doing my projects last minute, the finer details along the way are there to prevent mistakes in the end. Tests are... fallible... in that most teachers create tests that must be completed in a 35-45 minute span and cover the brief overview of the subject. Acing is a test doesn't show that you know all of the material perfectly, it shows that you know a sample of the material, and oftentimes teachers regurgitate the exact questions they are going to put on the test time and time again before you take it.

The purpose of homework is to cover a more broad range of material through menial daily work in smaller chunks. Additionally, high school is preparation for the real world, and it's often the menial tasks and details that matter to people... people that pay you to know it.

Even if you don't agree about that, I'm certain you can at least agree that if you equate the situation to the workplace, few customers will give you an assignment and expect to not hear from you until the project is 100% complete.

With homework you can look up all the answers, with a test you can not. If you don't need constant repetition to learn a subject, it is a waste of time.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yet another way to encourage non-accountability.

New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

POSTED: 8:47 am CST January 15, 2008
UPDATED: 10:27 am CST January 15, 2008

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa --

"We don't want to send the message to kids, as we have done in some classes, that after you have failed in this class for four weeks, you have no chance of passing at the semester," Bruckner said.


Parents are getting used to the new recommendations.

"I have an 8- and a 10-year-old," said parent Jodi Brown. "And as they excel through school, I would rather have them be held accountable for their actions. If they don't turn in an assignment, I would think they deserve a zero for not completing it."

"I think it's great to give them a second chance to make up for it," said Julie Michalski. "I don't want to see anyone fail, but they need to be held accountable for their work."
.

http://www.kcci.com/news/15052147/detail.html

i agree, hold them accountable. but give them a way to make up the assignments to pull their ass out of the frying pan at least. my oldest has the opportunity to make up missed assignments and get 75% credit, if turned in during the same quarter. so, if she did all her homework the last day and aced it all, she would have a 75% grade for her homework section, which is only 25% of her grade anyway.

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

considering the 85 would be barely a c (72%)work at 75% credit, i dont have an issue with it much. sure, the chance to abuse it is there, but that chance exists all throughout life. how many of your coworkers actually put in the 6 hours a day you work? err 8 hours, hehe. they get paid for 8 just like you, no matter how much neffing they do. besides, if the kids get lower than a 75% they have the chance to redo any assignments for 90% on homework as well as tests. this gives all students the chance to bring up their grades, even if they are doing average work. my oldest got a D recently on a test, i asked her if she was going to retake it. turns out the whole class averaged 64% with no grade over 70% so the teacher decided to not give anyone a grade for it and taught the section over again. this kind of teaching im in favor of, it helps the kids way more than just giving them free grades or outright failing them.

 

[RaistlinZ]

What ever happened to letting a student just drop their lowest homework assignment? That way it still gives them leeway if they miss and assignment for whatever reason, and yet still holds them accountable for the rest of the work.

I don't think we should be rewarding students with partial credit for not turning in work.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: aplefka

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

There are pros and cons to each side here but what you need to understand is that it is not worth punishing those who put in honest work by making a system harder for them just because others decide to cheat that system. The real answer is to make the system more reasonable and find better ways to prevent cheaters from cheating. If his daughter cannot understand that while cheating can get you places, it is still a big risk with terrible consequences then he hasn't done his job raising her right which is a whole different issue entirely. All students cheat a little here and there but so do adults in real life situations. Who here hasn't called in sick to work when they weren't really sick but it never comes back to bite them unless they abuse it?

Also, don't let your beef with parents make you biased. I know how parents make the school staff's job difficult but you can't let that get in the way of looking at the whole picture in this situation. This is about the kids who produce honest work and what is fair to them. It isn't about the parents or the cheaters.

This is true. I just think that as a whole the system is designed to be more friendly to the kids who are screwoffs rather than the kids who get things handled.

Edit: Damn your edit!

I don't have beef with parents in general, just the ones that have borderline students and are alright with their kids being borderline. If his/her daughter thinks it's alright never to do her homework and he's supportive of a system that allows that, then there's something wrong in the home.

Regarding what you said about it being about the honest students, I already wrote my feelings about that before you edited. Maybe I can read your mind? I don't think this is about what is fair to the kids who do honest work at all, because is a kid who does honest work going to miss enough homework that his/her grade will fall to a failing point?

actually, im pretty strict about school and homework. their grades show it, all 3 kids get good marks. they all have to finish homework before dinner, and we talk regularly about their classwork to make sure they are doing ok. we have talks about cheating often, since theres always one or two in their classes that get caught doing it. im hoping they never get the real urge or feeling the need to cheat to get by, but i guess anything is possible. i did think it was harsh they have had 2-3 hours a night of homework in 5th and 7th grade, but they do it. i never told them i thought it was harsh, i just told them it was the foundation for their future learning, and they needed to get used to doing it now, so it wasnt so hard to get a handle on later on in life.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yet another way to encourage non-accountability.

New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

POSTED: 8:47 am CST January 15, 2008
UPDATED: 10:27 am CST January 15, 2008

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa --

"We don't want to send the message to kids, as we have done in some classes, that after you have failed in this class for four weeks, you have no chance of passing at the semester," Bruckner said.


Parents are getting used to the new recommendations.

"I have an 8- and a 10-year-old," said parent Jodi Brown. "And as they excel through school, I would rather have them be held accountable for their actions. If they don't turn in an assignment, I would think they deserve a zero for not completing it."

"I think it's great to give them a second chance to make up for it," said Julie Michalski. "I don't want to see anyone fail, but they need to be held accountable for their work."
.

http://www.kcci.com/news/15052147/detail.html

i agree, hold them accountable. but give them a way to make up the assignments to pull their ass out of the frying pan at least. my oldest has the opportunity to make up missed assignments and get 75% credit, if turned in during the same quarter. so, if she did all her homework the last day and aced it all, she would have a 75% grade for her homework section, which is only 25% of her grade anyway.

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

considering the 85 would be barely a c (72%)work at 75% credit, i dont have an issue with it much. sure, the chance to abuse it is there, but that chance exists all throughout life. how many of your coworkers actually put in the 6 hours a day you work? err 8 hours, hehe. they get paid for 8 just like you, no matter how much neffing they do. besides, if the kids get lower than a 75% they have the chance to redo any assignments for 90% on homework as well as tests. this gives all students the chance to bring up their grades, even if they are doing average work. my oldest got a D recently on a test, i asked her if she was going to retake it. turns out the whole class averaged 64% with no grade over 70% so the teacher decided to not give anyone a grade for it and taught the section over again. this kind of teaching im in favor of, it helps the kids way more than just giving them free grades or outright failing them.

Usually homework is corrected when handed back - so the person copying off of that would have all the right answers. Depends on grade level though.

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: JRich
I hardly did my homework in HS and I ended up with a 3.0 GPA

me too :laugh:

 

[rezinn]

Why not just make homework only count if you hand it in, otherwise your grade is completely from tests?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: slag
Personally, I feel homework is wrong anyway.

As a child is growing up, they need play time and family time. When I get home from work in the evening, I want those 2-3 hours at most to spend time with my family, not having my kid doing homework.

I've always been against home work.

If they can't teach you everything they need to at school then they need to change how they do so IMO.

Home work is the lazy way out for a teacher IMO.

I agree totally. Teachers whine that they can't teach everything a kid needs to know in the few hours a week they have them in that class, but really, with all the time a kid spends at school, that should be plenty of time to teach them everything they really need to know in the real world.

My kids get home at ~4pm (out at 3:15pm, but we live in a rural area, so they have a ~45min bus-ride home.) I get home from work ~6-7pm. That's 2-3 hours to do homework.

That's plenty of time to have it completed, double-checked, have their room clean, complete their few chores, etc, and have an open evening for a few hours of quality family time before I even walk through the door.

What are your kids doing when they first get home from school? Are they saddled with 3+ hours of homework?

what? no playstation? no gameboy? no wii? no nintendo? no instant messaging? no wonder... they have time to do their homework

we have psone, ps2, psp, gameboys, a computer lab with 4 stations as well as a nice plasma tv with all the fixins. nothing gets turned on until they get their stuff done. i dont even watch tv until they are done, since i bring them home from school in the evenings. its possible to have all those things and still raise your kids with priorities, whether they share the importance or not. eventually they will see the underlying importance, so thats good enough for me.

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: rezinn
Why not just make homework only count if you hand it in, otherwise your grade is completely from tests?

I like this idea.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yet another way to encourage non-accountability.

New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

POSTED: 8:47 am CST January 15, 2008
UPDATED: 10:27 am CST January 15, 2008

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa --

"We don't want to send the message to kids, as we have done in some classes, that after you have failed in this class for four weeks, you have no chance of passing at the semester," Bruckner said.


Parents are getting used to the new recommendations.

"I have an 8- and a 10-year-old," said parent Jodi Brown. "And as they excel through school, I would rather have them be held accountable for their actions. If they don't turn in an assignment, I would think they deserve a zero for not completing it."

"I think it's great to give them a second chance to make up for it," said Julie Michalski. "I don't want to see anyone fail, but they need to be held accountable for their work."
.

http://www.kcci.com/news/15052147/detail.html

i agree, hold them accountable. but give them a way to make up the assignments to pull their ass out of the frying pan at least. my oldest has the opportunity to make up missed assignments and get 75% credit, if turned in during the same quarter. so, if she did all her homework the last day and aced it all, she would have a 75% grade for her homework section, which is only 25% of her grade anyway.

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

considering the 85 would be barely a c (72%)work at 75% credit, i dont have an issue with it much. sure, the chance to abuse it is there, but that chance exists all throughout life. how many of your coworkers actually put in the 6 hours a day you work? err 8 hours, hehe. they get paid for 8 just like you, no matter how much neffing they do. besides, if the kids get lower than a 75% they have the chance to redo any assignments for 90% on homework as well as tests. this gives all students the chance to bring up their grades, even if they are doing average work. my oldest got a D recently on a test, i asked her if she was going to retake it. turns out the whole class averaged 64% with no grade over 70% so the teacher decided to not give anyone a grade for it and taught the section over again. this kind of teaching im in favor of, it helps the kids way more than just giving them free grades or outright failing them.

I was referring to both being out of 100, hence an 85 is an 85% and a 75 is a 75%, so that's a full letter grade right there.

I absolutely agree with your example, however that's not what I was referring to and I don't think the method used in this article is similar to that at all. When a class as a whole can barely get a passing grade that means the teacher messed something up. That's on them, not the students.

 

[JRich]

Originally posted by: OdiN
what a stupid idea.

I hate homework, but there are other things that can be done.

If I taught, I would give 100% credit for all homework per test period if you got 90% or better on a test. But if you didn't meet that - zip.

So if the class really was below you and you already did know the subject you should do very well.

Only issue would be cheating - but if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen, and there are ways to fix that using multiple test forms and keys so not everyone gets the questions in the same order, etc.

One thing I didn't like in college was attendance-based grading. I had one professor who said you would fail if you missed more than 6 or 7 days. I dropped that class and took it with a different professor - I figure I'm the one paying for the class, and if I don't always show up but can do my work and test well then it shouldn't matter.

Where were you when I was in HS?!? I would've had a 4.0!

 

[TecHNooB]

I can't believe all the people in this thread who say homework is useless. What is wrong with you people!? How bout a little self discipline, if not a little learning?

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: aplefka

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

There are pros and cons to each side here but what you need to understand is that it is not worth punishing those who put in honest work by making a system harder for them just because others decide to cheat that system. The real answer is to make the system more reasonable and find better ways to prevent cheaters from cheating. If his daughter cannot understand that while cheating can get you places, it is still a big risk with terrible consequences then he hasn't done his job raising her right which is a whole different issue entirely. All students cheat a little here and there but so do adults in real life situations. Who here hasn't called in sick to work when they weren't really sick but it never comes back to bite them unless they abuse it?

Also, don't let your beef with parents make you biased. I know how parents make the school staff's job difficult but you can't let that get in the way of looking at the whole picture in this situation. This is about the kids who produce honest work and what is fair to them. It isn't about the parents or the cheaters.

This is true. I just think that as a whole the system is designed to be more friendly to the kids who are screwoffs rather than the kids who get things handled.

Edit: Damn your edit!

I don't have beef with parents in general, just the ones that have borderline students and are alright with their kids being borderline. If his/her daughter thinks it's alright never to do her homework and he's supportive of a system that allows that, then there's something wrong in the home.

Regarding what you said about it being about the honest students, I already wrote my feelings about that before you edited. Maybe I can read your mind? I don't think this is about what is fair to the kids who do honest work at all, because is a kid who does honest work going to miss enough homework that his/her grade will fall to a failing point?

actually, im pretty strict about school and homework. their grades show it, all 3 kids get good marks. they all have to finish homework before dinner, and we talk regularly about their classwork to make sure they are doing ok. we have talks about cheating often, since theres always one or two in their classes that get caught doing it. im hoping they never get the real urge or feeling the need to cheat to get by, but i guess anything is possible. i did think it was harsh they have had 2-3 hours a night of homework in 5th and 7th grade, but they do it. i never told them i thought it was harsh, i just told them it was the foundation for their future learning, and they needed to get used to doing it now, so it wasnt so hard to get a handle on later on in life.

Then I don't disagree with you much at all.

I don't think good students ever felt they needed to cheat to get by so much as it was just that when things start to get overwhelming that's the first thing to resort to. I know that's how it was for me. If I had 3 As and a borderline A/B but the workload was super intense in that borderline grade, that's when the cheating demons would come to the front.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Yet another way to encourage non-accountability.

New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

POSTED: 8:47 am CST January 15, 2008
UPDATED: 10:27 am CST January 15, 2008

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa --

"We don't want to send the message to kids, as we have done in some classes, that after you have failed in this class for four weeks, you have no chance of passing at the semester," Bruckner said.


Parents are getting used to the new recommendations.

"I have an 8- and a 10-year-old," said parent Jodi Brown. "And as they excel through school, I would rather have them be held accountable for their actions. If they don't turn in an assignment, I would think they deserve a zero for not completing it."

"I think it's great to give them a second chance to make up for it," said Julie Michalski. "I don't want to see anyone fail, but they need to be held accountable for their work."
.

http://www.kcci.com/news/15052147/detail.html

i agree, hold them accountable. but give them a way to make up the assignments to pull their ass out of the frying pan at least. my oldest has the opportunity to make up missed assignments and get 75% credit, if turned in during the same quarter. so, if she did all her homework the last day and aced it all, she would have a 75% grade for her homework section, which is only 25% of her grade anyway.

Yeah, and that's bullshit. How do you think it feels as a kid who did it all on time but got an 85 on it to see a kid who waited a couple months and probably just borrowed the returned work from a friend get a 75? And don't say your daughter is above that, because I'll tell you flat out right now, my parents never would have thought I cheated but hw swapping was a frequent occurrence, especially with teachers who had a policy like this.

considering the 85 would be barely a c (72%)work at 75% credit, i dont have an issue with it much. sure, the chance to abuse it is there, but that chance exists all throughout life. how many of your coworkers actually put in the 6 hours a day you work? err 8 hours, hehe. they get paid for 8 just like you, no matter how much neffing they do. besides, if the kids get lower than a 75% they have the chance to redo any assignments for 90% on homework as well as tests. this gives all students the chance to bring up their grades, even if they are doing average work. my oldest got a D recently on a test, i asked her if she was going to retake it. turns out the whole class averaged 64% with no grade over 70% so the teacher decided to not give anyone a grade for it and taught the section over again. this kind of teaching im in favor of, it helps the kids way more than just giving them free grades or outright failing them.

Usually homework is corrected when handed back - so the person copying off of that would have all the right answers. Depends on grade level though.

mine dont get theirs back, i get it once a week in a folder. their practice tests taken weekly are corrected by the students in class (and taken in class), but thats all. no system is perfect, and no system will make it fair for everyone involved. but, i look at it the same as i look at knowing your coworkers salaries. what good does it do to know that info? if someone knows i make more than they do and gets all bent out of shape, its just office dama. if some kid does an A homework and little johnny hobo turns a copied paper in late for 75% later on, what good does knowing that do? not a damn thing. doesnt change that A at all, and that A student will not have to worry about the slacker much longer, as he wont get too far anyway. someones gotta cook my fries anyway.

 

[Goosemaster]

bunch of panzies

 

[ChaoZ]

Lol, wish this existed back when I was in high school. I barely ever did my homeworks.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: loki8481
always hated most homework.

I never understood why I should be screwed for not doing busywork when I was able to show clear knowledge and understanding of facts/concepts on tests and papers.

My AP calc teacher in high school gave us homework every night, but he also gave us a weekly homework assignment. The weekly homework assignment was the only one that was required to be completed. I liked that policy, because I was able to understand everything without doing the nightly homework.

I had math classes in college that had a similar policy, but I quickly found out with advanced stats and discrete math that I'd have to pay attention in class and do the homework to get an A. :Q

I have a similar policy. 1st day of the quarter, I give everyone in pre-calculus and calculus a 100 average for homework. "I don't care if you do it. What I care is if you don't do it when you really did need the practice. If you need the practice and don't do the homework, you're going to fail. Period. Of course, I'll answer any legitimate questions people have about the homework. I'll give the answers for all the other problems. Heck, I'll assign mostly odds so you can copy the answers from the back of the book - if that's your style. I mean, if your style is failing."

It takes a while for kids to catch on, but eventually they realize that they get out of a class what they put into it. They're also responsible for their own learning and shouldn't need someone to hold their hand. Every once in a while, I'll make an example out of a couple students who skip doing some homework assignments because I made it look so easy in class; but then on a quiz or test, they fall flat on their face. It's usually a "see, I told you so. No one's going to hold your hand at college. I'm giving you the lesson for free. Next year, at college, that lesson will cost you thousands of dollars."

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I can't believe all the people in this thread who say homework is useless. What is wrong with you people!? How bout a little self discipline, if not a little learning?

I don't think it's useless for everyone. It was certainly useless for me, thus I didn't do it except in the one class where you had to turn in every single assignment to pass. As I saw it, the main purpose of homework was to ensure the students were able to learn and apply the material. I was able to do this without the aid of homework, so I wasted my time on other pursuits. Fortunately my mother agreed that if I was getting As on the tests and not failing classes, I must be learning, and that was the point of going to school.

Later on I learned that homework was also to prepare you for reams of pointless paperwork you'd have to fill out in your adult life.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I can't believe all the people in this thread who say homework is useless. What is wrong with you people!? How bout a little self discipline, if not a little learning?

I don't think it's useless for everyone. It was certainly useless for me, thus I didn't do it except in the one class where you had to turn in every single assignment to pass. As I saw it, the main purpose of homework was to ensure the students were able to learn and apply the material. I was able to do this without the aid of homework, so I wasted my time on other pursuits. Fortunately my mother agreed that if I was getting As on the tests and not failing classes, I must be learning, and that was the point of going to school.

Later on I learned that homework was also to prepare you for reams of pointless paperwork you'd have to fill out in your adult life.

Even if homework is worthless to some students, it prepares them for the worthless work they will have to do later on in life. I hear engineers complaining about all the pointless non-engineering work they have to do. So, better get used to doing stuff you don't think you need at a younger age.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: rezinn
Why not just make homework only count if you hand it in, otherwise your grade is completely from tests?

Because if you do homework and do poorly on the homework, but do well on tests, you're penalized vs. if you did no homework at all.

 

[AndrewR]

Wow, that would have helped my grades in high school since I despised homework.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I can't believe all the people in this thread who say homework is useless. What is wrong with you people!? How bout a little self discipline, if not a little learning?

I don't think it's useless for everyone. It was certainly useless for me, thus I didn't do it except in the one class where you had to turn in every single assignment to pass. As I saw it, the main purpose of homework was to ensure the students were able to learn and apply the material. I was able to do this without the aid of homework, so I wasted my time on other pursuits. Fortunately my mother agreed that if I was getting As on the tests and not failing classes, I must be learning, and that was the point of going to school.

Later on I learned that homework was also to prepare you for reams of pointless paperwork you'd have to fill out in your adult life.

Even if homework is worthless to some students, it prepares them for the worthless work they will have to do later on in life. I hear engineers complaining about all the pointless non-engineering work they have to do. So, better get used to doing stuff you don't think you need at a younger age.

I don't agree with that
Plenty of time to get used to filling out stupid, pointless forms once you're old!

 

[Finalnight]

this is better prep for college. As long as they do well on exams/projects, it shows they know the material. I got shitty grades in HS because I blew off the busy work. In college, there is no busy work and I can focus on learning the material. GPA is much better here.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Finalnight
this is better prep for college. As long as they do well on exams/projects, it shows they know the material. I got shitty grades in HS because I blew off the busy work. In college, there is no busy work and I can focus on learning the material. GPA is much better here.

Agreed. All of my classes now have homework, but only tests/quizzes/papers matter for a grade.

 

[Canai]

Good. I never did homework, did great on the exams, and got lots of from the teachers.

Thank god for college and finding out which profs don't hand out homework