New School Rule: Skip Homework Still Get Grade

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

 

[paulxcook]

This country is being run so hard into the ground I have to wonder if it's somehow organized. Our children and grandchildren are going to be so stupid and dependent on the system they won't be able to get out of bed in the morning without help.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
FWIW, This is almost certainly about making sure more kids pass than anything else.

NCLB in action, right there.

:thumbsdown:

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

I agree. it's one thing to have a policy like this in college (college students, on average, are going to be more responsible and inclined to succeed, by virtue of them being in college)

Failing to turn in assignments should not be tolerated at an earlier age. Teach them to slack off and "succeed through failing," then you can only imagine the innovations this country will produce 25 years from now...

 

[WraithETC]

They have to fail at some point whether it be through missing homework or failing exams its going to come up sooner or later.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Of course.... minus 10% of course.

 

[Vette73]

Yea this is BS like my Nieces and nephew get grades but not numbers. They get some weird letter scheme. How hard is it to say you got 40 out of 50 right, that a 80 grade. Instead they get like a G for good or something. I don;t think there is a A grade as I asked one of the girls "so you getting all A's". She just gave me a weird look and said no, what is a A?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Of course.... minus 10% of course.

The whole work analogy was stupid from the start.

 

[yhelothar]

So what's in it for the superintendent?
EVERYTHING! Less failing kids = better recognized school = more funding = more pay!
It's obvious why the superintendent would be so supportive of such a seemingly dumb idea. Do you think he really cares about the self-esteem of his failing students?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea this is BS like my Nieces and nephew get grades but not numbers. They get some weird letter scheme. How hard is it to say you got 40 out of 50 right, that a 80 grade. Instead they get like a G for good or something. I don;t think there is a A grade as I asked one of the girls "so you getting all A's". She just gave me a weird look and said no, what is a A?

What grade? I don't think that's out of the ordinary at a very low grade (i.e. Kindergarten).

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Of course.... minus 10% of course.

The whole work analogy was stupid from the start.

no it wasn't. why let people off the hook for being forgetful? how is that going to teach them to not be forgetful or face consequences?

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Not showing up to school was not the argument.
Any professional knows that target dates slip everyday.
0% on a late assignment is like telling your homebuilder you are not paying for the house because it was a month late.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Not showing up to school was not the argument.
Any professional knows that target dates slip everyday.
0% on a late assignment is like telling your homebuilder you are not paying for the house because it was a month late.

see my post directly above. it's all related to accountability. don't teach it early on and don't expect it later on.

 

[gururu2]

i am not an advocate of homework, especially having worked with teens that carry jobs and/or serve important home functions. kids that have to cook, babysit, clean for homes with single working parents, etc. kids that don't have the financial means to purchase a computer or have internet. sure I understand that many people study and do well under such circumstances, but the point is that there is no sense placing an additional burden on them that immediately places them at a further disadvantage to children with no such responsibilities.

there is plenty of time in the classroom to practice repetition on material. work that can be completed at home if necessary. i do encourage studying at home however and have been successful in having students take the time necessary to review before exams.

 

[OutHouse]

I see the amount of homework my son brings home from the 3rd grade and it pisses me off. his two older sisters went to the same school and the school changed its teaching outline from when they went and they didn't get slammed like this... He brings home stacks of homework now and i can feel his frustration. My wife and I are going to have a meeting with the principal and see what is going on and voice our concerns to her about this overload of homework. from the amount of work he brings home it seems like we are homeschooling him.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Seriously, who comes up with this new age "self-esteem is precious" crap? That person (or people) should be taken out back and shot.

no doubt.

The "everyone is a winner" mentality is what is making quality workers harder to find, IMHO. This is going to make students think that they can get by without doing the work and in the real world that will get you a ticket to the unemployment line. If the goal is to make more people finish high school with a diploma then the problem is that administrators don't understand the old analogy "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

Originally posted by: loki8481
always hated most homework.

I never understood why I should be screwed for not doing busywork when I was able to show clear knowledge and understanding of facts/concepts on tests and papers.

I'm in the exact same boat it took me until I hit the real world to realize that while I could screw around forever and hit the jackpot by doing my projects last minute, the finer details along the way are there to prevent mistakes in the end. Tests are... fallible... in that most teachers create tests that must be completed in a 35-45 minute span and cover the brief overview of the subject. Acing is a test doesn't show that you know all of the material perfectly, it shows that you know a sample of the material, and oftentimes teachers regurgitate the exact questions they are going to put on the test time and time again before you take it.

The purpose of homework is to cover a more broad range of material through menial daily work in smaller chunks. Additionally, high school is preparation for the real world, and it's often the menial tasks and details that matter to people... people that pay you to know it.

Even if you don't agree about that, I'm certain you can at least agree that if you equate the situation to the workplace, few customers will give you an assignment and expect to not hear from you until the project is 100% complete.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea this is BS like my Nieces and nephew get grades but not numbers. They get some weird letter scheme. How hard is it to say you got 40 out of 50 right, that a 80 grade. Instead they get like a G for good or something. I don;t think there is a A grade as I asked one of the girls "so you getting all A's". She just gave me a weird look and said no, what is a A?

What grade? I don't think that's out of the ordinary at a very low grade (i.e. Kindergarten).

No this is like 3-4 grade when they are doing all the regular classes. i think the whole school, up to 5th, does it like this. But of course that is NC. 1 in hogs, 49th in education.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Seriously, who comes up with this new age "self-esteem is precious" crap? That person (or people) should be taken out back and shot.

no doubt.

The "everyone is a winner" mentality is what is making quality workers harder to find, IMHO. This is going to make students think that they can get by without doing the work and in the real world that will get you a ticket to the unemployment line. If the goal is to make more people finish high school with a diploma then the problem is that administrators don't understand the old analogy "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

I think that is only one part of what is screwing up the workforce. There are many other factors involved, and the "everyone is a winner" is only one small part. Other issues include the lack of upward mobility from service jobs to more professional positions, lack of any entry level positions in some fields, etc.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Seriously, who comes up with this new age "self-esteem is precious" crap? That person (or people) should be taken out back and shot.

no doubt.

The "everyone is a winner" mentality is what is making quality workers harder to find, IMHO. This is going to make students think that they can get by without doing the work and in the real world that will get you a ticket to the unemployment line. If the goal is to make more people finish high school with a diploma then the problem is that administrators don't understand the old analogy "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

I think that is only one part of what is screwing up the workforce. There are many other factors involved, and the "everyone is a winner" is only one small part. Other issues include the lack of upward mobility from service jobs to more professional positions, lack of any entry level positions in some fields, etc.

Point taken. Doesn't help to add fuel to the fire, though.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: edro
In college, most professors will at least give you partial credit for late work.
A lot of mine would just knock 10% off per week late.

Giving a zero for a forgetful student is too strict.

what the? so the kid gets a job and "forgets" to show up for work. so he should still get paid?

Of course.... minus 10% of course.

The whole work analogy was stupid from the start.

no it wasn't. why let people off the hook for being forgetful? how is that going to teach them to not be forgetful or face consequences?

I didn't say I don't agree with you, just that it was a bad analogy. Especially in response to edro's post that suggested a grade drop for late work instead of a 0. If I finish work late at my job, I still get paid (fully). I think a school should handle late work more harshly than a business, and that's why I said it's a bad analogy. That, and you were comparing absence at work to late/incomplete work in school. Not the same.

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea this is BS like my Nieces and nephew get grades but not numbers. They get some weird letter scheme. How hard is it to say you got 40 out of 50 right, that a 80 grade. Instead they get like a G for good or something. I don;t think there is a A grade as I asked one of the girls "so you getting all A's". She just gave me a weird look and said no, what is a A?

What grade? I don't think that's out of the ordinary at a very low grade (i.e. Kindergarten).

No this is like 3-4 grade when they are doing all the regular classes. i think the whole school, up to 5th, does it like this. But of course that is NC. 1 in hogs, 49th in education.

That does sound unusual, but it's not like grades matter at that level anyway. Grades don't mean jack until you get to high school, and then they only matter if you're going to college and they cease mattering once you get into college. Then your college grades matter until you get your first job.

Of course the education BEHIND those grades does matter.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

We don't want to send the message to kids, as we have done in some classes, that after you have failed in this class for four weeks, you have no chance of passing at the semester."

What? I have trouble working for the first month or two of school since I'm still in vacation mode, but failing for a third of the semester and still passing?

 

[slag]

Personally, I feel homework is wrong anyway.

As a child is growing up, they need play time and family time. When I get home from work in the evening, I want those 2-3 hours at most to spend time with my family, not having my kid doing homework.

I've always been against home work.

If they can't teach you everything they need to at school then they need to change how they do so IMO.

Home work is the lazy way out for a teacher IMO.

I agree totally. Teachers whine that they can't teach everything a kid needs to know in the few hours a week they have them in that class, but really, with all the time a kid spends at school, that should be plenty of time to teach them everything they really need to know in the real world.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: Citrix
I see the amount of homework my son brings home from the 3rd grade and it pisses me off. his two older sisters went to the same school and the school changed its teaching outline from when they went and they didn't get slammed like this... He brings home stacks of homework now and i can feel his frustration. My wife and I are going to have a meeting with the principal and see what is going on and voice our concerns to her about this overload of homework. from the amount of work he brings home it seems like we are homeschooling him.

I'd be very interested to see what comes from this. They pull the same crap with my son's school (he's in 1st grade, but i see what the 3rd graders bring home because I'm a watchdawg), and its pathetic how much crap they make the kids do.

 

[skace]

I started reading the posts in this thread but almost every single one seems negative. I don't see the issue, the child is still getting an F (50). That means that kid is relying heavy on really good testing grades to pull his average up and a kid who is averaging a 50 for the class based on homework alone probably doesn't have the knowledge to pull it up above that. End result? Still a failure.

The only thing this really helps is a kid who actually doesn't turn in homework but is really smart and aces every test. I don't see a real problem with helping that kid.

 

[Rebasxer]

Homework it seems to me is generally pointless. All of the homework I had in school was just busy work. It was basically there to ensure that the kids were reading. But what ended up happening was students would read selectively to get the answers and not cover the rest of the material. Calc homework was the worst, I could always do the problems in class, but when the teacher assigns 40 more for homework I just choose not to do them because I'm not learning anything. I always did fine on Calc tests never dipping below an 80% but got a C- in the class because I didn't do the HW. Not fair.