New poll shows that voters trust the GOP more than Democrats...

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Poll after poll after poll shows Americans leaning center right - which is how Obama ran - then he flushed them down the potty - and they know it

Yet, when you look at issues like universal healthcare, americans seem to be fairly left, why is that?

They seem to want health care reform, they dont really care for govt healthcare. There is a large difference there.

Incorrect

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...for-public-option.html

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus
See who is more trusted if conservatives get around to eliminating social security and sticking with free market care. Even if you do gain power, you will never be able to govern as a Reaganesque conservative.

Yes lets not mod SS at all so it crashes later. Nor should we keep the things that work in our healthcare system and just rush to let the govt run everything.

For all of Bush's faults, it was good that he abandoned his SS privatization initiative. Imagine if he had succeeded, do you even understand how badly you would've lost in '08?

Do you understand that it would have affected virtually no one? No one would have been forced into and no one would have sustained any larger losses than what they did in their 401ks. SS + private account is still a good idea.

For young people SS still remains a big waste of their money.

I and a lot of others sustained fairly big losses in my 401k and i was very well diversified in the funds i chose

Whether or not the social security privatization was forced or voluntary, the democrats would've hammered the hell out of the GOP if they got away with the plan, given the dive in the stock market.

Are you under 40 and planning to retire?????

yes I know the Democrats would had pushed a lie and hammered the Republicans. They are politicians afterall.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus
See who is more trusted if conservatives get around to eliminating social security and sticking with free market care. Even if you do gain power, you will never be able to govern as a Reaganesque conservative.

Yes lets not mod SS at all so it crashes later. Nor should we keep the things that work in our healthcare system and just rush to let the govt run everything.

For all of Bush's faults, it was good that he abandoned his SS privatization initiative. Imagine if he had succeeded, do you even understand how badly you would've lost in '08?

Do you understand that it would have affected virtually no one? No one would have been forced into and no one would have sustained any larger losses than what they did in their 401ks. SS + private account is still a good idea.

For young people SS still remains a big waste of their money.

I and a lot of others sustained fairly big losses in my 401k and i was very well diversified in the funds i chose

Whether or not the social security privatization was forced or voluntary, the democrats would've hammered the hell out of the GOP if they got away with the plan, given the dive in the stock market.

Are you under 40 and planning to retire?????

yes I know the Democrats would had pushed a lie and hammered the Republicans. They are politicians afterall.

Pushed what lie? If people had large losses in their private accounts, pointing out the fact that republicans were the ones pushing for it and the fact that their accounts took a dive would have been a fact.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus
See who is more trusted if conservatives get around to eliminating social security and sticking with free market care. Even if you do gain power, you will never be able to govern as a Reaganesque conservative.

Yes lets not mod SS at all so it crashes later. Nor should we keep the things that work in our healthcare system and just rush to let the govt run everything.

For all of Bush's faults, it was good that he abandoned his SS privatization initiative. Imagine if he had succeeded, do you even understand how badly you would've lost in '08?

Do you understand that it would have affected virtually no one? No one would have been forced into and no one would have sustained any larger losses than what they did in their 401ks. SS + private account is still a good idea.

For young people SS still remains a big waste of their money.

I and a lot of others sustained fairly big losses in my 401k and i was very well diversified in the funds i chose

Whether or not the social security privatization was forced or voluntary, the democrats would've hammered the hell out of the GOP if they got away with the plan, given the dive in the stock market.

Are you under 40 and planning to retire?????

yes I know the Democrats would had pushed a lie and hammered the Republicans. They are politicians afterall.

Pushed what lie? If people had large losses in their private accounts, pointing out the fact that republicans were the ones pushing for it and the fact that their accounts took a dive would have been a fact.

but only those who would still have >20 years to retire would have been affected, and in the long term, the market would have corrected itself and greatly increased those of us under 40's SS... as of now, i dont see myself ever getting SS even though im paying for it... but nope, i heard something the other day and it is ringing true... the Dems run on what is best for the country now, the Reps run for what is best for our country in the future... dont even dare throw that quote down my throat as i know it isnt always true, but in the long run, the republican idea of privatized SS properly managed and regulated, is a much better system than the gov't currently has

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: dali71
A Rasmussen poll from October 2008 found voters to trust Democrats more than Republicans on 10 of 10 key issues. A Rasmussen poll from May 2009 showed voters trusting Democrats more on 5 of 10 key issues, while being tied on abortion. I posted a link to an analysis of the upward trend in a Phokus thread on the demise of the Republican party, but no one cared to comment on it. Fast forward to the Rasmussen poll from 2 days ago, which shows voters trusting Republicans more than Democrats on 8 of the 10 key issues. Health Care and Education, the 2 issues Democrats are trusted more on, showed marked improvement by Republicans. I'm glad to see that buyer's remorse is finally kicking in among the people.

it's not called buyers' remorse... it's called americans are dumb and will go with whatever.

 

[StageLeft]

It's a great fun watching many of the posters on this board do a 180 because of who's sitting in office, essentially using the same arguments used against them before.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: sandorski
People have short memories, unfortunately.

This. I have family/friends who *say* they were giving Obama a chance but his plan isn't working.

*IT'S BEEN SIX FVCKING MONTHS* :roll:

/facepalm

 

[Fear No Evil]

6 months and he has doubled the national debt. What is he going to do in 4 years? They are already talking about another stimulus. If you can spend 1.8 Trillion dollars in 6 months and ram through stimulus bills, bailout bills, etc. Its LONG ENOUGH..

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Phokus
See who is more trusted if conservatives get around to eliminating social security and sticking with free market care. Even if you do gain power, you will never be able to govern as a Reaganesque conservative.

Yes lets not mod SS at all so it crashes later. Nor should we keep the things that work in our healthcare system and just rush to let the govt run everything.

For all of Bush's faults, it was good that he abandoned his SS privatization initiative. Imagine if he had succeeded, do you even understand how badly you would've lost in '08?

Do you understand that it would have affected virtually no one? No one would have been forced into and no one would have sustained any larger losses than what they did in their 401ks. SS + private account is still a good idea.

For young people SS still remains a big waste of their money.

I and a lot of others sustained fairly big losses in my 401k and i was very well diversified in the funds i chose

Whether or not the social security privatization was forced or voluntary, the democrats would've hammered the hell out of the GOP if they got away with the plan, given the dive in the stock market.

So now youre resorting to attacking the GOP on what could have been?

/boggle

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

So now they are free to do whatever the hell they want without respecting the public's present wishes?

Worked for the last 8 years.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

So now they are free to do whatever the hell they want without respecting the public's present wishes?

Worked for the last 8 years.

And you're ok with that?

 

[jpeyton]

We'll see if the GOP makes any real gains in the 2010 Congressional. The "ultimate" poll is always taken on election day, and I suspect that in 2010 the Democrats will comfortably hold onto their majorities in Congress (losing few seats).

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
We'll see if the GOP makes any real gains in the 2010 Congressional. The "ultimate" poll is always taken on election day, and I suspect that in 2010 the Democrats will comfortably hold onto their majorities in Congress (losing few seats).

nothing in politics is permanent. Holding large majoritied has always been difficult no matter what party holds them. And given that independents are already starting to stray from the obama camp, it is not a good sign for those majorities to remain.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

Good thing another one is right around the cornet.

Yeah, I am sure the country is just clamoring for more Republican control and mismanagement.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
We'll see if the GOP makes any real gains in the 2010 Congressional. The "ultimate" poll is always taken on election day, and I suspect that in 2010 the Democrats will comfortably hold onto their majorities in Congress (losing few seats).

nothing in politics is permanent. Holding large majoritied has always been difficult no matter what party holds them. And given that independents are already starting to stray from the obama camp, it is not a good sign for those majorities to remain.

They aren't going to hold their majority if they don't pass health care reform. I sure as hell am not going to give them any money or show up to vote if they don't get this done. If I wanted to vote for a party that sells out all its principles when it gets into power, I'd be a Republican.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

Good thing another one is right around the cornet.

Yeah, I am sure the country is just clamoring for more Republican control and mismanagement.

Well it looks like the polls are trending that way.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
We'll see if the GOP makes any real gains in the 2010 Congressional. The "ultimate" poll is always taken on election day, and I suspect that in 2010 the Democrats will comfortably hold onto their majorities in Congress (losing few seats).

nothing in politics is permanent. Holding large majoritied has always been difficult no matter what party holds them. And given that independents are already starting to stray from the obama camp, it is not a good sign for those majorities to remain.

They aren't going to hold their majority if they don't pass health care reform. I sure as hell am not going to give them any money or show up to vote if they don't get this done. If I wanted to vote for a party that sells out all its principles when it gets into power, I'd be a Republican.

A politican's only job is to get elected and they do whatever it takes to get and stay elected. If they lose the moderates by voting for health care reform, they will not vote that way.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

Good thing another one is right around the cornet.

Yeah, I am sure the country is just clamoring for more Republican control and mismanagement.

Well it looks like the polls are trending that way.

And then what? You can put Republicans in charge again, result will be the same. Still big, but more poorly managed government.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
We'll see if the GOP makes any real gains in the 2010 Congressional. The "ultimate" poll is always taken on election day, and I suspect that in 2010 the Democrats will comfortably hold onto their majorities in Congress (losing few seats).

nothing in politics is permanent. Holding large majoritied has always been difficult no matter what party holds them. And given that independents are already starting to stray from the obama camp, it is not a good sign for those majorities to remain.

They aren't going to hold their majority if they don't pass health care reform. I sure as hell am not going to give them any money or show up to vote if they don't get this done. If I wanted to vote for a party that sells out all its principles when it gets into power, I'd be a Republican.

A politican's only job is to get elected and they do whatever it takes to get and stay elected. If they lose the moderates by voting for health care reform, they will not vote that way.

They will lose more moderates by not voting for health care reform. There are a lot of moderates who don't really care much about politics, but want the health care mess taken care of.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: senseamp
Time to take care of healthcare and education then.

Since the October poll, the Democrats lead on health care has dropped from 20 points to 4 points, and their lead on education has dropped from 19 points to 3 points. It appears that it is indeed being taken care of.

Poll Shmoll. Dems won the only poll that matters, Presidency, House, and Senate.

Good thing another one is right around the cornet.

Yeah, I am sure the country is just clamoring for more Republican control and mismanagement.

Well it looks like the polls are trending that way.

And then what? You can put Republicans in charge again, result will be the same. Still big, but more poorly managed government.

So far, it appears they are more mismanaged, but time will tell.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: senseamp

They will lose more moderates by not voting for health care reform. There are a lot of moderates who don't really care much about politics, but want the health care mess taken care of.

That really remains to be seen. It does appear that oboma is losing the moderates and that continues to happen he will lose the ability to do many of things he wants to do, including healthcare.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Rasmussen(daily automated computer polling) polls arent representative of much of anything except to measure which party is currently most emotionally charged. They traditionally blow with the wind and wild swings are not uncommon.

So Repulicans are more pissed off right now and looking for a voice so they pick up the phone and punch the buttons instead of letting it go to voicemail. The most telling were the results on Abortion which showed a solid pro life majority which just doesn't exsist in any meaningful results in the last decade.

The republicans are so desperate to prove support that they have to cherry pick daily Rasmussen polls.:laugh:

You guys keep picking up that phone and punching those buttons, I'll let it go to voicemail. But I will be at the polls on voting day so don't get too excited just yet

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Rasmussen(daily automated computer polling) polls arent representative of much of anything except to measure which party is currently most emotionally charged. They traditionally blow with the wind and wild swings are not uncommon.

So Repulicans are more pissed off right now and looking for a voice so they pick up the phone and punch the buttons instead of letting it go to voicemail. The most telling were the results on Abortion which showed a solid pro life majority which just doesn't exsist in any meaningful results in the last decade.

The republicans are so desperate to prove support that they have to cherry pick daily Rasmussen polls.:laugh:

You guys keep picking up that phone and punching those buttons, I'll let it go to voicemail. But I will be at the polls on voting day so don't get too excited just yet

Cherry picking? No, not quite. The polls I linked show Republican trust steadily trending upward. Believe what you will, but be prepared for a shock at the polls if the Democrats stay on their current path.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: dali71
Cherry picking? No, not quite. The polls I linked show Republican trust steadily trending upward. Believe what you will, but be prepared for a shock at the polls if the Democrats stay on their current path.

This thread is gonna be funny after the next election. SOMEBODY will be eating crow in the forum lol

 

[NeoV]

that's ok, 6 or 7 out of those 10 still think Iraq was behind 9/11