New Obama hypocrisy.

[cybrsage]

As the US caused the regional instability that resulted in the killing fields in Cambodia.

The fail is so strong in this sentence that I am honestly worried a black will form and destroy the Earth.

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe Cybrsage, you and Moonbeam might like this link better. It was the first I looked at when I googled the general question, but I sure many other links that popped up would do as well.

http://www.pocatelloshops.com/new_blogs/politics/?p=6123

 

[Zebo]

Agree with LL. I think the religion they have is retrograde as hell and some may take it to far but they do fear annihilation just like everyone else has thus MAD would be just as successful as US vs USSR was/is. True believers like our Christian true believers are few and far between anyway. The public pronouncements of death to USA/Israel are just that for public consumption to detract peoples minds off economic and social issues at home. This idea the seond they are going to get nukes whole world is going nuclear war is stupid. Flies in the face of history of nuclear armed nations as well as humans desire to live generally speaking.

To annihilate them for no reason other than not letting you in is more murderous and bat shit crazier than anything Hitler/Stalin/pol pot etc ever thought of doing and would totally make the USA a pariah and maybe world enemy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe Cybrsage, you and Moonbeam might like this link better. It was the first I looked at when I googled the general question, but I sure many other links that popped up would do as well.

http://www.pocatelloshops.com/new_blogs/politics/?p=6123

Why do you use my name in this. I am not arguing for or against your notion of history. My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

 

[Zebo]

Why do you use my name in this. I am not arguing for or against your notion of history. My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

Lame argument. They already can die to kill with thier bio and chemical capcity and don't. Didnt even when they were attacked by Iraq and Persian history is replete of offensive warfare.

 

[Zebo]

Persians are proud ppl so you may just have to annihilate them to get your little way though. They wouldn't yield to Genghis Khan and 9/10th of the people were killed leaving the country a shell.

 

[Stayfr0sty]

Shits been hitting the fan in the middle east since the whole Mugabarak then Gadafi fiasco.
And the US was hardly involved, they got the brits and french NATO allies to bomb the hell out of Libya and sent in rats as infantry who were total n00bs putting AA missile launchers on their pickups and lighting them on fire....
Not to worried about Iran yet. Eyes should be on Syria now. But US is not stupid, Chinese general already warned that if any foreign troop steps on Syrian ground the shit is really gonna hit the fan. Both China and Russia have very high interests in Syria.
Obama is smart so I doubt he will mess with Syria.
But if he loses in november then we will all be screwed, the idiots will certainly do something stupid like send in NATO troops to Syria. Then they will have to most likely answer to the millions stong PLA. Hopefully this wont happen.

Reminds me of the game BF2 where there was a "middle eastern coalition" as one of the factions. Notice all these middle east "uprisings" to get rid of "dictators". Truth is Libya had the highest per capita of all africa and in fact 2 million egyptian workers immigrated there to work. It was a country that functioned, so what if gadafi was their leader? A year before they literally lynched him he was shaking Obamas hand. And guess what after they got him the news showed on camera a lady in a burka being questioned who she was gonna vote for with their new "democracy" and her response was " the radical islamists"......
So uhh lets see, Gadafi who was pro soviet and kept those pesky radicals at bay, (and so did Mugabarak) or taliban style?
Whats better? Obviously to NATO the latter.....

 

[Lemon law]

Why do you use my name in this. I am not arguing for or against your notion of history. My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

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I used you name because you make an equally absurd argument on no basis. As you seemingly buy Israeli hype hook line and sinker without analyzing in your own brain to determine if your fear of Iran is real or just your own irrational paranoia.

After all, this is sorta like George Zimmerman on this thread, if you perceive someone is a threat, are you always legally and morally permitted to murder them? What happens if your perceived threat is proved false later., are you then busted guilty of murder when you acted falsely? And if we demonize Muslims, why don't we examine the Saudis who arguably are the nuttiest of all Muslims?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Lame argument. They already can die to kill with thier bio and chemical capcity and don't. Didnt even when they were attacked by Iraq and Persian history is replete of offensive warfare.

Not lame at all!! 100% true.....
Sure they can kill with their bio...etc...but nobody is afraid of bio and chemical capability...and its a much slower death.....

You cannot take out an enemy immediately with chemical or bio....a nuke is entirely different!

Moonbeam was correct in his statement --My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not lame at all!! 100% true.....
Sure they can kill with their bio...etc...but nobody is afraid of bio and chemical capability...and its a much slower death.....

You cannot take out an enemy immediately with chemical or bio....a nuke is entirely different!

Moonbeam was correct in his statement --My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

Quite so but even more important in my opinion is that I said nothing about Iran. My argument consist of the premise that if somebody is actually going to trying to kill you or innocent people you have a right to keep them from acquiring the capacity to do so. I am not saying bomb Iran because that's the case, only that I personally, if I had the means, would bomb them if the case were real. How you figure out who is what is a completely different discussion.

 

[Lemon law]

Not lame at all!! 100% true.....
Sure they can kill with their bio...etc...but nobody is afraid of bio and chemical capability...and its a much slower death.....

You cannot take out an enemy immediately with chemical or bio....a nuke is entirely different!

Moonbeam was correct in his statement --My argument consists of the simple premise that you don't want a group that would die to kill you acquiring nuclear weapons.

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Funny, JediY, this is the same crazy argument always used, remember Vietnam as its was argued if we did not defeat the Vietcong the Vietcong in Vietnam we would be fighting them on the streets of America. The same in Iraq as Condi Rice told us that Saddam had WMD and if we did not immediate invade Iraq in 2003, we risked Mushroom clouds in the USA. Yet at the same time, we have no problem with an Israeli nuclear program as Israel has WMD and Israel has a long history of using WMD on their neighbors. Maybe the US State department has swept the USS Liberty incident under the rug, but I have not. As it somewhat shows, extremists in the current Israel government will use the Samson option if Israel does not always get its way. As the current Israeli government has a seeming mindset that its Israel against the entire world.

But my response is more addressed to Moonbeam in setting up a somewhat straw man argument.

As I can ask, what would happen if a Muslim bought a house next door to Moonbeam. Said Muslim is rather swarthy and worse yet wears a hoodie. As some Jediy equivalent tells Moonbeam said Muslim is not to be trusted. And serial liars like Dick Cheney and Condi Rice also warn Moonbeam that no Muslims can be trusted. Yet the local community gives the said Muslim a clean bill of health, as he has a job in his previous location, and has a job and car in his new location next door to Moonbeam.

As Moonbeam falls hook line and sinker for the JediY and US state department argument. And since said Muslim does not yet have nuclear weapons, Moonbeam becomes the new George Zimmerman of justified perceived threats. As Moonbeam now fears, if his new neighbor has not yet achieved nuclear weapons. instead Moonbeams next door neighbor is plotting to murder Moonbeam by whatever means possible. So Moonbeam makes its his new mission to prevent his next door neighbor from purchasing kitchen knives and and more importantly from purchasing an gasoline for his car. After all, if his Muslim neighbor knows how to use gasoline to burn off his local brush piles, he also knows how to use gasoline to burn down Moonbeams house. So Moonbeam makes it his life's mission to prevent his neighbor from purchasing any gasoline for his car, until his neighbor proves his gasoline purchases will not be used that way. But since Moonbeams's neighbor can never satisfy Moonbeam's suspicious, Moonbeam is George Zimmerman justified to kill his neighbor as soon as he purchases a drop of gasoline. Or a kitchen knife, or any dual use item that could be a threat to Moonbeam. As a result Moonbeams neighbor would be unemployed because he could not be able to drive to work. But what the hey, all the better for the serial liars you belive in>

What is that old song and the seeming Moonbeam doctrine argument, "paranoia runs deep and into your life it will creep."

After all, we must ask Moonbeam in my straw man argument, is his paranoia based on any personal Moonbeam rationality, or simply driven by serial liars.

Which is why I give Moonbeam a homework assignment, based on only your OWN personal knowledge of the Iranian threat and not relying on serial liars, can you justify your position? Or do you Moonbeam, only believe in only known serial liars to do your thinking for you?

Please feel free to call me a US traitor, as you and I pay the same price for US foreign policy.

After that, we can rationally examine your logic and go from there.

 

[Onceler]

This is the most dangerious insane thinking I have ever witnessed you writing , That self hate you talk about has grown strong in you and along with it the powers of the dark side. Even if you are correct in this instance the premise is just plan wrong and evil. Judge not least ye be judged

It's judge not lest ye be judged with the same measure that you judge others. So if you judge fairly you will be judged fairly.

 

[SilthDraeth]

The fail is so strong in this sentence that I am honestly worried a black will form and destroy the Earth.

quoted for prosperity. I think you mean a black hole, but what you said made me LOL.
:awe:

 

[Moonbeam]

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Funny, JediY, this is the same crazy argument always used, remember Vietnam as its was argued if we did not defeat the Vietcong the Vietcong in Vietnam we would be fighting them on the streets of America. The same in Iraq as Condi Rice told us that Saddam had WMD and if we did not immediate invade Iraq in 2003, we risked Mushroom clouds in the USA. Yet at the same time, we have no problem with an Israeli nuclear program as Israel has WMD and Israel has a long history of using WMD on their neighbors. Maybe the US State department has swept the USS Liberty incident under the rug, but I have not. As it somewhat shows, extremists in the current Israel government will use the Samson option if Israel does not always get its way. As the current Israeli government has a seeming mindset that its Israel against the entire world.

But my response is more addressed to Moonbeam in setting up a somewhat straw man argument.

As I can ask, what would happen if a Muslim bought a house next door to Moonbeam. Said Muslim is rather swarthy and worse yet wears a hoodie. As some Jediy equivalent tells Moonbeam said Muslim is not to be trusted. And serial liars like Dick Cheney and Condi Rice also warn Moonbeam that no Muslims can be trusted. Yet the local community gives the said Muslim a clean bill of health, as he has a job in his previous location, and has a job and car in his new location next door to Moonbeam.

As Moonbeam falls hook line and sinker for the JediY and US state department argument. And since said Muslim does not yet have nuclear weapons, Moonbeam becomes the new George Zimmerman of justified perceived threats. As Moonbeam now fears, if his new neighbor has not yet achieved nuclear weapons. instead Moonbeams next door neighbor is plotting to murder Moonbeam by whatever means possible. So Moonbeam makes its his new mission to prevent his next door neighbor from purchasing kitchen knives and and more importantly from purchasing an gasoline for his car. After all, if his Muslim neighbor knows how to use gasoline to burn off his local brush piles, he also knows how to use gasoline to burn down Moonbeams house. So Moonbeam makes it his life's mission to prevent his neighbor from purchasing any gasoline for his car, until his neighbor proves his gasoline purchases will not be used that way. But since Moonbeams's neighbor can never satisfy Moonbeam's suspicious, Moonbeam is George Zimmerman justified to kill his neighbor as soon as he purchases a drop of gasoline. Or a kitchen knife, or any dual use item that could be a threat to Moonbeam. As a result Moonbeams neighbor would be unemployed because he could not be able to drive to work. But what the hey, all the better for the serial liars you belive in>

What is that old song and the seeming Moonbeam doctrine argument, "paranoia runs deep and into your life it will creep."

After all, we must ask Moonbeam in my straw man argument, is his paranoia based on any personal Moonbeam rationality, or simply driven by serial liars.

Which is why I give Moonbeam a homework assignment, based on only your OWN personal knowledge of the Iranian threat and not relying on serial liars, can you justify your position? Or do you Moonbeam, only believe in only known serial liars to do your thinking for you?

Please feel free to call me a US traitor, as you and I pay the same price for US foreign policy.

After that, we can rationally examine your logic and go from there.

I have a Jordanian on one side of me and an Italian on other. Two doors down is a black family and next to them a Filipino one. Across from that family is a family from India and next to them and across from me a Japanese American one. Next to them and also behind me the families are Chinese. There's another white family two doors up.

 

[Lemon law]

I have a Jordanian on one side of me and an Italian on other. Two doors down is a black family and next to them a Filipino one. Across from that family is a family from India and next to them and across from me a Japanese American one. Next to them and also behind me the families are Chinese. There's another white family two doors up.

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As Moonbeam ducked the question and failed to make his own rational case for his fear of Iran. A fear Moonbeam has clearly confirmed he has.

But irrational and unfounded fears are called Phobias.

 

[Moonbeam]

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As Moonbeam ducked the question and failed to make his own rational case for his fear of Iran. A fear Moonbeam has clearly confirmed he has.

But irrational and unfounded fears are called Phobias.

Let me turn your silliness on its head. Would you give a maniac who is trying to kill you a gun? No don't deflect or give me a history lesson. Don't tell me Iran is not mad. None of that has anything at all to do with what I said. Would you give a mad man who is having a psychotic break a gun he wants to shoot you with?

If you would you're a fool and idiot but if not then you think just like me full of irrational fears called phobias.

The reason I didn't answer your question is because the evidence for me is in that you are incapable of objective thought and that you are also what you see in me. And you are full of agendas you can't help but push. Telling you my opinion on Iran is pointless. You have already made up your mind what it is. You have made of me a demon of your own creation.

 

[cybrsage]

Maybe Cybrsage, you and Moonbeam might like this link better. It was the first I looked at when I googled the general question, but I sure many other links that popped up would do as well.

http://www.pocatelloshops.com/new_blogs/politics/?p=6123

The Khmer Rouge is responsible for the killing fields, unless you say the US has a mind control machine and forced them to do it.

 

[cybrsage]

quoted for prosperity. I think you mean a black hole, but what you said made me LOL.
:awe:

Did not even notice the missing word. heh...I was saying it in my head, but it did not translate to my fingers.

 

[werepossum]

There are good reasons why sanctions are bad. They tend to ultimately punish people you'd like to court while not discomforting the leadership in the least. I'd personally be wary and judicious in their application. The root problem is that in reality all choices are bad. I like to think I'm reasonably adept at coming up with possible courses of action but I'm stumped with Iran.

Exactly right. The only way to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to attack them, which will almost certainly mean a regional war. It makes no sense for the West to kill hundreds of thousands of people to keep Iran from killing hundreds of thousands of people. Ergo, Iran will get nuclear weapons. I'd prefer to see us aiding the Iranian opposition, but I fear that rightly or wrongly Obama let that ship sail. There simply aren't any good choices.

 

[werepossum]

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Funny, JediY, this is the same crazy argument always used, remember Vietnam as its was argued if we did not defeat the Vietcong the Vietcong in Vietnam we would be fighting them on the streets of America. The same in Iraq as Condi Rice told us that Saddam had WMD and if we did not immediate invade Iraq in 2003, we risked Mushroom clouds in the USA. Yet at the same time, we have no problem with an Israeli nuclear program as Israel has WMD and Israel has a long history of using WMD on their neighbors. Maybe the US State department has swept the USS Liberty incident under the rug, but I have not. As it somewhat shows, extremists in the current Israel government will use the Samson option if Israel does not always get its way. As the current Israeli government has a seeming mindset that its Israel against the entire world.

But my response is more addressed to Moonbeam in setting up a somewhat straw man argument.

As I can ask, what would happen if a Muslim bought a house next door to Moonbeam. Said Muslim is rather swarthy and worse yet wears a hoodie. As some Jediy equivalent tells Moonbeam said Muslim is not to be trusted. And serial liars like Dick Cheney and Condi Rice also warn Moonbeam that no Muslims can be trusted. Yet the local community gives the said Muslim a clean bill of health, as he has a job in his previous location, and has a job and car in his new location next door to Moonbeam.

As Moonbeam falls hook line and sinker for the JediY and US state department argument. And since said Muslim does not yet have nuclear weapons, Moonbeam becomes the new George Zimmerman of justified perceived threats. As Moonbeam now fears, if his new neighbor has not yet achieved nuclear weapons. instead Moonbeams next door neighbor is plotting to murder Moonbeam by whatever means possible. So Moonbeam makes its his new mission to prevent his next door neighbor from purchasing kitchen knives and and more importantly from purchasing an gasoline for his car. After all, if his Muslim neighbor knows how to use gasoline to burn off his local brush piles, he also knows how to use gasoline to burn down Moonbeams house. So Moonbeam makes it his life's mission to prevent his neighbor from purchasing any gasoline for his car, until his neighbor proves his gasoline purchases will not be used that way. But since Moonbeams's neighbor can never satisfy Moonbeam's suspicious, Moonbeam is George Zimmerman justified to kill his neighbor as soon as he purchases a drop of gasoline. Or a kitchen knife, or any dual use item that could be a threat to Moonbeam. As a result Moonbeams neighbor would be unemployed because he could not be able to drive to work. But what the hey, all the better for the serial liars you belive in>

What is that old song and the seeming Moonbeam doctrine argument, "paranoia runs deep and into your life it will creep."

After all, we must ask Moonbeam in my straw man argument, is his paranoia based on any personal Moonbeam rationality, or simply driven by serial liars.

Which is why I give Moonbeam a homework assignment, based on only your OWN personal knowledge of the Iranian threat and not relying on serial liars, can you justify your position? Or do you Moonbeam, only believe in only known serial liars to do your thinking for you?

Please feel free to call me a US traitor, as you and I pay the same price for US foreign policy.

After that, we can rationally examine your logic and go from there.

When you're reduced to calling Moonie of all people a racist, you've not only lost the argument, people can't even remember when you were in it.

 

[Lemon law]

Let me turn your silliness on its head. Would you give a maniac who is trying to kill you a gun? No don't deflect or give me a history lesson. Don't tell me Iran is not mad. None of that has anything at all to do with what I said. Would you give a mad man who is having a psychotic break a gun he wants to shoot you with?

If you would you're a fool and idiot but if not then you think just like me full of irrational fears called phobias.

The reason I didn't answer your question is because the evidence for me is in that you are incapable of objective thought and that you are also what you see in me. And you are full of agendas you can't help but push. Telling you my opinion on Iran is pointless. You have already made up your mind what it is. You have made of me a demon of your own creation.

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You are still ducking the question Moonie as you keep saying Iran is a maniac, but repeating that mantra is nothing but a part of the big lie.

But when our Leon Pinetta, various Israel intelligence and Mossad officials, and many others than just me say Iran is acting quite rationally, don't you think you owe this forum an explanation of your own thought process's to personally call all 85 million Iranians unworthy of any trust.

 

[cybrsage]

Iran wants nukes to become invasion proof. The rest of the world does not want Iran to become invasion proof. It is looking more and more like Iran's quest to become invasion proof will actually cause them to be invaded.

 

[cubby1223]

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As Moonbeam ducked the question and failed to make his own rational case for his fear of Iran. A fear Moonbeam has clearly confirmed he has.

But irrational and unfounded fears are called Phobias.

Says the guy who firmly believes Israel is equally as bad as Nazi Germany.

Oh, no, the infallible Lemon Law has no irrational and unfounded fears of his own.

Which is why I give Moonbeam a homework assignment, based on only your OWN personal knowledge of the Iranian threat and not relying on serial liars, can you justify your position? Or do you Moonbeam, only believe in only known serial liars to do your thinking for you?

Have you ever been to Palestine for your own personal knowledge of Palestinian people being treated comparable to the Jews during the Holocaust? Were you personally aboard the "freedom" flotilla that was boarded?



Moonbeam "ducks" your questions, because the answers to your "questions" are obvious to everyone except yourself. Even the answers to my questions are obvious, hence I don't expect any response from you. You make continued demands of other people that you yourself cannot even live up to. Let this thread go back to the subject of Iran & sanctions?

 

[Lemon law]

As cubby1223, asks " Have you ever been to Palestine for your own personal knowledge of Palestinian people being treated comparable to the Jews during the Holocaust? Were you personally aboard the "freedom" flotilla that was boarded?"

As I could ask the same questions about you. And you can bet I won't be ringside at the NCCA men's basketball championship either, but I will probably get a better view than those who actually watched the game in person.

Its also the problem with any war, as each individual in each army is mainly left in the dark as they see only a small part of the overall war. While the top commanders who are supposed to understand the big picture habitually lie to lie to their own people? And as Herman Goring pointed out, its easy to drum up a war, but thereafter most everyone on both sides suffer from buyers remorse.

As I suggest to you cubby, if I think different from you, maybe its because I look at the questions from a different and more diverse viewpoints than your limited and probably biased views.

I will stand my record of correct prediction against anyone on this forum. As I also state the current Israeli government is untenable, just because Israel is still going in the wrong direction does not mean an impending crash is not likely. As for Iraq and Afghanistan, I think I have perfectly explained why they backfired on the USA.

But in saying that, it does not mean I am knee jerk pro Palestinian, pro Iranian, or pro Taliban.

 

[cybrsage]

Have you ever been to Palestine for your own personal knowledge of Palestinian people being treated comparable to the Jews during the Holocaust? Were you personally aboard the "freedom" flotilla that was boarded?

Are you asking this seriously? Do you think Israel has concentration camps all throughout the disputed territories, where they are killings millions of Palestinians in just a few years? Do you really think anything even close to that is happening?

THIS is why the haulocaust needs to be taught in schools...people have already forgotten the horror that it was and are using it in stupid comparisons.