new NSA whistleblower: the ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control

[zanejohnson]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-control

"they didn't build that Utah data center that uses 1.7 million gallons of water per day for cooling and stores 12 exabytes of data for only meta data. Hell the damn thing cost 1.5 billion dollars to build. I could probably build a bootleg server farm for meta data for a couple hundred grand. I'll put on my tinfoil hat for a moment. They have the ability to record and capacity to store every phone call, picture, and text based communication sent in this country. You think they aren't using it? We should get a mathematician in here. I read that 3 billion calls per day are made in the US. Each minute of VoIP is about 300 KB. of data. How many minutes can 12 exabytes store? 900000000000kb transmitted, assuming a minute per call, compared to 12000000000000000000kb in storage capacity. That means They can store 13,333,333 days worth of 3 billion, 1 minute calls. Edit: Handy google calculator tells me 13,333,333 days is about 36505 years, so even if you increase the estimated call time by a factor of ten, and decrease the storage capacity by a factor of 4 to its lowest KB estimate according to wikipedia, ignore Moore's law like it doesn't exist, "BEST" case scenario is the NSA can store 912 and a half years worth of every call made in the US. That's way longer than I expect to live. They have the ability and the capacity to know every porn site you've been to, every financial transaction you've ever made online, every video your Kinect has recorded, every comment, every email, every conversation and every photograph you've ever sent. What they claim they don't have is the authorization. Regardless, that is just too much power to entrust to any organization."

 

[z1ggy]

My buddy sent me this. Freaking insane I tell you. And if you think about it, they have enough capability to record all of the US citizens for 912yrs... They can also cut that time down to 100yrs and record all of the citizens of an additional 10+ countries. Or instead of just phone calls, they could get a lower year number, but record EVERYTHING you've ever done involving the internet, banking... you're entire life will be sitting in that data center for them to tap into whenever they wish.

But yeah no big deal. In more important news, Kim Kardasian wore a new dress to some award show!!!!

 

[zanejohnson]

My buddy sent me this. Freaking insane I tell you. And if you think about it, they have enough capability to record all of the US citizens for 912yrs... They can also cut that time down to 100yrs and record all of the citizens of an additional 10+ countries. Or instead of just phone calls, they could get a lower year number, but record EVERYTHING you've ever done involving the internet, banking... you're entire life will be sitting in that data center for them to tap into whenever they wish.

But yeah no big deal. In more important news, Kim Kardasian wore a new dress to some award show!!!!

yep, (not like we didnt see this coming, people with our eyes open anyway)


give it about 10 mintues, and you'll have the token 5 ATOT government defenders in here defending this some how..


"got nothing to hide" "nothing to worry about"

lol. naive fucks.

 

[Jaskalas]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

 

[zanejohnson]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

how about a option c.


we know we live in a totalitarian state, akin to North Korea, with the worlds highest incarceration rate at 23 percent, that, being, 1 in 7, adults, currently, in prison, in jail, on probation. or on parole.

 

[K1052]

They have the ability and the capacity to know every porn site you've been to

Heh....I actually hope some strait laced christian type analyst is tasked with reviewing my porn intake for the last decade. :twisted:

 

[z1ggy]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

The thing is, it doesn't matter who you vote for. This country is an oligarchy now, run by who ever has the cash. Even if it weren't that way, it still wouldn't make one shit of a difference. The NSA will be (and maybe already is) all powerful. Oh hey Mr. President, you should turn a blind eye to this shit we're doing because well.. ya know, you wouldn't want that convo you had back in 2004 with your old college roommates about how great doing drugs was (or anything illegal, suspicious/media could go ape shit over)...Now would you??

I mean shit, back in the 60's, the DoD wanted to stage "fake" terror acts to rile up the American people for support for invading Cuba. Fortunately, JFK shot that down. Then... He got shot down. Literally. That's what happens to politicians who oppose the puppeteers I'm guessing.

 

[Knowing]

What if we consider that the NSA is a foreign intelligence service and instead of calculating this as if they were a domestic service (like the FBI who gave the NSA the metadata and consistently abused NSLs) we consider that global communications intelligence isn't limited to phone calls and port 80 requests?

 

[zanejohnson]

What if we consider that the NSA is a foreign intelligence service and instead of calculating this as if they were a domestic service (like the FBI who gave the NSA the metadata and consistently abused NSLs) we consider that global communications intelligence isn't limited to phone calls and port 80 requests?

because it doesnt make sense..

cats out of the bag, we make money by

a)proxy war with puppet governments we set up in foreign lands, to fuel our military industrial machine/quest for control of world resources

and

b)incarcerating our own citizens through the for profit incarceration industrial sytem

 

[Atreus21]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-control

"they didn't build that Utah data center that uses 1.7 million gallons of water per day for cooling and stores 12 exabytes of data for only meta data. Hell the damn thing cost 1.5 billion dollars to build. I could probably build a bootleg server farm for meta data for a couple hundred grand. I'll put on my tinfoil hat for a moment. They have the ability to record and capacity to store every phone call, picture, and text based communication sent in this country. You think they aren't using it? We should get a mathematician in here. I read that 3 billion calls per day are made in the US. Each minute of VoIP is about 300 KB. of data. How many minutes can 12 exabytes store? 900000000000kb transmitted, assuming a minute per call, compared to 12000000000000000000kb in storage capacity. That means They can store 13,333,333 days worth of 3 billion, 1 minute calls. Edit: Handy google calculator tells me 13,333,333 days is about 36505 years, so even if you increase the estimated call time by a factor of ten, and decrease the storage capacity by a factor of 4 to its lowest KB estimate according to wikipedia, ignore Moore's law like it doesn't exist, "BEST" case scenario is the NSA can store 912 and a half years worth of every call made in the US. That's way longer than I expect to live. They have the ability and the capacity to know every porn site you've been to, every financial transaction you've ever made online, every video your Kinect has recorded, every comment, every email, every conversation and every photograph you've ever sent. What they claim they don't have is the authorization. Regardless, that is just too much power to entrust to any organization."

What can be done?

 

[zanejohnson]

What can be done?

we all know what will eventually have to be done.


i'm not going to advocate "that" on "this" internet, because, i dont wanna expediate my relocation to a "camp," any faster.

 

[moonbogg]

Shh...they're listening.

 

[GTaudiophile]

we all know what will eventually have to be done.


i'm not going to advocate "that" on "this" internet, because, i dont wanna expediate my relocation to a "camp," any faster.

And that there is the end of democracy.
A monitored society is not a free society.

 

[zanejohnson]

And that there is the end of democracy.
A monitored society is not a free society.

yep....... infrastructure is in place for NK 2.0

the only difference is that we still A LITTLE BIT of economy left....... once that's gone...

we're north korea, but with the DREAM OF COMPLETE CONTROL COMPLETELY IN PLACE...the NK government WISHES they had that infrastructure.... the puppeteers, made SURE to put that infrastructure in place before they crash economy and put it to it's intended use.. it's rolling out slowly, but it's definitely rolling out..

 

[GTaudiophile]

Where do the puppeteers want to take us? What do they gain?

 

[zanejohnson]

i dont know how people dont see their M.O. by now


watch this!

2016, woman president, under the republican ticket... not the ones in the spotlight now.. (bachman, palin) those are just pawns...for the real chosen woman president to shit all over in 2015-2016, woo everybody, and continue the two party illusion.. just like Obama, in 07-08

 

[brycejones]

we all know what will eventually have to be done.


i'm not going to advocate "that" on "this" internet, because, i dont wanna expediate my relocation to a "camp," any faster.

Well now that doesn't make you sound like a loon or anything.

 

[zanejohnson]

Where do the puppeteers want to take us? What do they gain?

control, and continued fortune..

they are globalists, not Americans... they dont give two shits about patriotism or allegiance to any one nation...

 

[zanejohnson]

Well now that doesn't make you sound like a loon or anything.

only to people who dont understand how IT infrastructure, propoganda, and disinformation, can be used to control a society.

or, to people who dont know anything about history, or trends, that tend to repeat, in time...throughout history..

you can look at the fall of the USSR, or Germany from 1940-1947 for reference,

before that, look at the Roman empire, before that, look at the Ancient Egyptian empire.

 

[Engineer]

Where do the puppeteers want to take us? What do they gain?

Neo: What does he want?
The Oracle: What do all men with power want? More power.

The Matrix owns you!

 

[squarecut1]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

As if that makes an iota of difference

 

[Newell Steamer]

The amount of conspiracy / tin foil hat herp-a-derp is just astounding.

Of course, I am shill/sheep/all of the above for denying something like this. And when the wall come herp-a-derp, the herp-a-derp will herp-a-derp.

God this country is full of retards,...

 

[readymix]

they're listening from everywhere. I don't have confidential conversations in the presence of my iphone any more. I'm suspicious of my lasko pedestal fan too. I'm surrounded by wifi transceivers. how long is it going to be before electrical pulses in my rock will be able to be picked up and digitized, if not already! you can never be to crazy, not insane, that's bad, crazy is cautious.

 

[momeNt]

Doesn't really matter.

They can't record cash transactions and people with wide brim caps.

 

[Oldgamer]

We are well beyond hope now folks. They have been manipulating social media, experimenting on us and using propaganda to control us. That has already come out in the news. They use shills in forums like this one to sway us, and put out false and misleading information. Now we have local law enforcement voraciously militarizing across the US and people have been asking for years why? I think we all know why. Now the leak came out that the NSA has been spying on the Senate and top officials people who are Americans, (not terrorists) people who are leaders or this country and even political leaders for various organizations that have nothing to do with terrorism but in fact are political.

Yea, we are fucked.