new NSA whistleblower: the ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control

[Stewox]

Nothing new about William Binney ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPemLhvwfos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Kcgme2I0c

Oh would you look at the upload date ... isn't that lovely :=)

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Let me guess, you are on the Government dole.

Big time? Or just scraping by?

-John

Nope, used to. Just have a wider prespective now.

 

[Fenixgoon]

play alpha protocol.

gg.

 

[squarecut1]

Where are the people on the oh so hallowed halls of the Supreme Court? What are they doing about it all? Or issues relating to birth control more important? That's right. They are as much part of the establishment as anybody else. They are all in the same bed.

 

[DCal430]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-control

"they didn't build that Utah data center that uses 1.7 million gallons of water per day for cooling and stores 12 exabytes of data for only meta data. Hell the damn thing cost 1.5 billion dollars to build. I could probably build a bootleg server farm for meta data for a couple hundred grand. I'll put on my tinfoil hat for a moment. They have the ability to record and capacity to store every phone call, picture, and text based communication sent in this country. You think they aren't using it? We should get a mathematician in here. I read that 3 billion calls per day are made in the US. Each minute of VoIP is about 300 KB. of data. How many minutes can 12 exabytes store? 900000000000kb transmitted, assuming a minute per call, compared to 12000000000000000000kb in storage capacity. That means They can store 13,333,333 days worth of 3 billion, 1 minute calls. Edit: Handy google calculator tells me 13,333,333 days is about 36505 years, so even if you increase the estimated call time by a factor of ten, and decrease the storage capacity by a factor of 4 to its lowest KB estimate according to wikipedia, ignore Moore's law like it doesn't exist, "BEST" case scenario is the NSA can store 912 and a half years worth of every call made in the US. That's way longer than I expect to live. They have the ability and the capacity to know every porn site you've been to, every financial transaction you've ever made online, every video your Kinect has recorded, every comment, every email, every conversation and every photograph you've ever sent. What they claim they don't have is the authorization. Regardless, that is just too much power to entrust to any organization."

He is a loon, who was basically removed from the NSA. His comments can be dismissed and ignored.

 

[brycejones]

He is a loon, who was basically removed from the NSA. His comments can be dismissed and ignored.

That is what THEY want you to think......


You just haven't listened to enough Alex Jones yet.

 

[nf4m]

lol @ anti-fact nutjobs/apologists.

 

[TheSlamma]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

Problem is who you vote for as president doesn't really matter, if the NSA doesn't get your data then data harvesting companies like Google or Facebook will. Voting with your wallet is more powerful in the US than whoever you send to Washington.

ask Carnegie Steel and Standard Oil, elections and policies have been bought in this country for a looong time.

Verizon and Comcast will get their way with net neutrality because we empowered them to. I don't care who you put in Washington, those laws are in those companies control.

 

[irishScott]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

 

[Sonikku]

If no, who are you going to vote for?

The guy that doesn't have a chance. :\

 

[ch33zw1z]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

"mere information gathering" means more than you're making it sound. What purpose does recording everything people do serve? It will certainly preemptively help silence anyone who wants to start that scandal.

 

[schmuckley]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...-want-to-know/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

"Sustainable Development"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

It's already happened. Information has been shared with other agencies to use against US citizens for criminal investigations as parallel construction. The result? Nothing of course. No scandals just silence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He is a loon, who was basically removed from the NSA. His comments can be dismissed and ignored.

Speaking of...

Post #6 is interesting.

Loon?

C'mon.

 

[Zorkorist]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

Who's to say it hasn't been abused?

The person(s) attacked, will have very little recourse.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

This is our Government, going directly against one of the Amendments to the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights.

1 Freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition.
2 Right to keep and bear arms in order to maintain a well regulated militia.
3 No quartering of soldiers.
4 Freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures.
5 Right to due process of law, freedom from self-incrimination, double jeopardy.
6 Rights of accused persons, e.g., right to a speedy and public trial.
7 Right of trial by jury in civil cases.
8 Freedom from excessive bail, cruel and unusual punishments.
9 Other rights of the people.
10 Powers reserved to the states.

There are getting to be very few "Bill of Rights" left.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The Amendment immediately indicated is...

4 Freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures.

-John

 

[Darwin333]

This comes down to a policy question.

Should the United States government be in the business of collecting and storing this data?

If yes, you got nothing to worry about.
If no, who are you going to vote for?

Umm, I always thought it came down to a 4th amendment thing. You know, that thingy in the bill of rights that says the .gov needs a reason to take/collect/record your information or communications? I know its kind of old and stuff but I would be happy post a link if you would like to read it yourself.

 

[Darwin333]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

Hate to break it to ya buddy but they already have and the sky hasn't fell. They are kind of sneaky about it though, they don't actually act on the info themselves. Instead they give it to other agencies who don't actually use it in court but instead use it as a springboard to collect usable evidence.

 

[Darwin333]

Problem is who you vote for as president doesn't really matter, if the NSA doesn't get your data then data harvesting companies like Google or Facebook will. Voting with your wallet is more powerful in the US than whoever you send to Washington.

ask Carnegie Steel and Standard Oil, elections and policies have been bought in this country for a looong time.

Verizon and Comcast will get their way with net neutrality because we empowered them to. I don't care who you put in Washington, those laws are in those companies control.

Technically google can censor your blog from coming up in their searches because they don't like what you are saying so obviously its ok for the .gov to do the exact same thing, right?

 

[Darwin333]

Mass collection of data seems akin to the old nuclear arms race: It's certain that the "other side" is going to be doing this, so "we" have to do it, too. So it's pretty clear that the NSA is never going to stop, and maybe we don't want them to.

So it's up to individuals to engage in defensive practices. I'm guessing that better and better encryption tools are going to become available for all methods of communication. And if the NSA will really be able to collect almost 1000 exabytes of data annually in the near future, then maybe everyone else needs to start generating several terabytes of data annually. For example, maybe email tools can be developed that surround a typical email with a gigabyte of data; if you send 1000 emails a year, that's a terabyte right there. In other words, let's overwhelm the NSA with so much data that it can't possibly keep up with the flow. Yes, that would require much higher average bandwidths than most people have right now; but if the demand is there, companies will respond.

Fighting back against the NSA in these ways will also fight back against other countries. I don't see that there's any alternative. The NSA and the security arms of countries aren't going to stop, so the rest of us need to get angry and get active.

Wow, while kind of implausible, that is probably the best idea I've heard to date of "fighting back". I only say its implausible because, imho, we can probably expect at best .5% of the population to participate. I would love to hash out some numbers on what we could do with 10%. I wonder if they prioritize certain date? If texts are a higher priority how would 10% of the population overwhelm it?

 

[Guurn]

My response to this is basically my response to the Snowden leaks: The sky isn't going to fall.

The moment the NSA actually starts abusing their authority for anything other than mere information gathering, they're fucked. It won't be a pleasant time for anyone involved, but one bad scandal and they're done.

Not only have they abused it, but they admit over 30,000 instances of employees improperly using the information. It is commonly abused. In addition they lie to congress while under oath without consequences and have a track record that is abysmal in regards to preventing terrorist acts.