new NSA whistleblower: the ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control

[waggy]

Doesn't really matter.

They can't record cash transactions and people with wide brim caps.

though having to much a cash is a sing you are a terrorist or drug dealer. so you get arrested and have the cash seized.

 

[Oldgamer]

though having to much a cash is a sing you are a terrorist or drug dealer. so you get arrested and have the cash seized.

Yep, good ole civil forfeiture law, your guilty before proven guilty and they get to steal from you!

 

[alzan]

Heh....I actually hope some strait laced christian type analyst is tasked with reviewing my porn intake for the last decade. :twisted:

Considering it's in Utah he's most likely Mormon, that brings a smile to my face. He'll probably shit in his magic underwear.

 

[bradley]

they're listening from everywhere. I don't have confidential conversations in the presence of my iphone any more. I'm suspicious of my lasko pedestal fan too. I'm surrounded by wifi transceivers. how long is it going to be before electrical pulses in my rock will be able to be picked up and digitized, if not already! you can never be to crazy, not insane, that's bad, crazy is cautious.

Did you know that the government (NSA, CIA, FBI) can listen to conversations around your cell phone, even when it is turned off? Unless the battery is taken out, they can hear everything that you say. Does this make you uneasy?
http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...sations-around-your-cell-phone/question-8218/

Can the NSA Remotely Turn On Your Mobile Phone?
http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear...remotely-turn-on-your-mobile-phone-140530.htm

The amount of conspiracy / tin foil hat herp-a-derp is just astounding.

Of course, I am shill/sheep/all of the above for denying something like this. And when the wall come herp-a-derp, the herp-a-derp will herp-a-derp.

God this country is full of retards,...

Just because the NSA can archive these messages, it still doesn't give them to ability to decipher their meaning.

 

[brandonb]

What can be done?

Stop giving them money for starters.

If we all protested until they nuked the facility from orbit. Meaning, no work, no paying of taxes, no banking fees, complete shutdown. How long do you think our government would survive? Social services, etc would go first as the government would make the people suffer before ending this program. Shouldn't that tell a lot about the nature of our government?

 

[z1ggy]

Stop giving them money for starters.

If we all protested until they nuked the facility from orbit. Meaning, no work, no paying of taxes, no banking fees, complete shutdown. How long do you think our government would survive? Social services, etc would go first as the government would make the people suffer before ending this program. Shouldn't that tell a lot about the nature of our government?

Okay you start, we will all be right behind you. /sarcasm

The reality is, the gov't and big companies have made us reliant on them. Millennials are now slaves to their jobs because student debt is so high. No young people can just go quit their job for the sake of giving the middle finger to the gov't. Most older folks are all like MERKA FUCKKKKK YEEEEAAHHH and don't believe that the NSA is doing any domestic spying on the level they are doing. Shit man, some people at my job (I work with mostly older men) are GLAD the NSA spies on us. WTF?

 

[bradley]

Stop giving them money for starters.

If we all protested until they nuked the facility from orbit. Meaning, no work, no paying of taxes, no banking fees, complete shutdown. How long do you think our government would survive? Social services, etc would go first as the government would make the people suffer before ending this program. Shouldn't that tell a lot about the nature of our government?

The money received from Americans is chump change. The NSA, full-spectrum dominance and the vast military industrial complex (amongst other things) was built during the time with US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

Therefore the US$ status quo won't stop in its current fight against the Chinese Yuan any time soon. Just imagine the Chinese war machine that could be built with the Yuan as the world's reserve currency. That's the overall picture.

If anything, this will do way more damage to the US's endeavors.

US Companies Using Yuan in Record Quantities
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/US-companies-yuan-dollar/2014/07/10/id/581924/

 

[brandonb]

Okay you start, we will all be right behind you.

The reality is, the gov't and big companies have made us reliant on them. Millennial are onw slaves to their jobs because student debt is so high. No young people can just go quit their job for the sake of giving the middle finger to the gov't. Most older folks are all like MERKA FUCKKKKK YEEEEAAHHH and don't believe that the NSA is doing any domestic spying on the level they are doing. Shit man, some people at my job (I work with mostly older men) are GLAD the NSA spies on us. WTF?

I've already started...

I actually typed up a large post with me being on the soapbox. Deleted it. But really when it comes down to it. Both you and I know what's up. The only thing I can will say is young people just need to stop getting themselves into so much debt. Especially student loan debt. People just need to look at their lives and their future enslavement. Student Loan debt, mortgages, 401k "retirements"... All these things we're told we need...

All that opens you up for is slavery. And dealing with a life long debt of interest, fees, surcharges, closing costs, early out penalties, yadda yadda yadda. Dollars upon dollars are stolen from people because they believe they have to put up with it. It's a necessary evil. Our wealth is being stolen from us. The only way to fight it. Stop allowing it to happen. Steal it back...

Seems hard. People are plugged into the matrix. It's harder to unplug it than to stay in and remain a slave. I'm sure there are plenty of people who may have thought "If there was a good person to stand behind. If a movement was started. I'd join. But nobody is stepping up to the plate..." That is false.

 

[z1ggy]

Because most Americans when it comes down to it.. When it really boils down it, would rather be sheeple of the gov't then fight back and possibly lose their way of life or their actual life. We still have just enough illusion of total freedom that people are satisfied in general with how the government operates.

If you polled every American right now and asked if they'd be willing to leave their jobs, their families and way of life to gain back a true democracy, most people would probably even deny there was a problem to begin with.

And to make it even worse, with the NSA having the potential to be balls deep in every single citizens ass, they could easily squash small rebellions with out the public even finding out. When politics controls the media, of course it's easy to sweep crap under the rug. Why do think it's not common water cooler talk for things like Snowden leaks to be discussed, but instead whatever Kim Kardashian wore to last nights award show... Or who is doing better on American Idol? The gov't doesn't want us knowing all the shady shit they can do if they really wanted.

 

[readymix]

what could the halls of power have learnt over the last 230 years? j. edgar started the cataloging 80 years ago. the USG is our benevolent empire prepared to outlast every species on the planet.

 

[squarecut1]

Why do think it's not common water cooler talk for things like Snowden leaks to be discussed, but instead whatever Kim Kardashian wore to last nights award show... Or who is doing better on American Idol? The gov't doesn't want us knowing all the shady shit they can do if they really wanted.

It is not all down to the government. That in fact is not even the main reason. We just have a lot of ignorance and superficiality in the society. Plain and simple

 

[z1ggy]

Would you then say a free and open press would not want to discuss at length the Snowden leaks? Or why is this article in the OP not a hot topic among CNN, Fox, etc right now?? The only discussion is a short fart of a topic that most people all but ignore. But no...Honey Boo Boo's mom spent a ton of money on some ridiculous thing, and that's news worthy.

Look at this Lebron shit blowing up just recently. Who gives a flying crap what team some overly paid asshat is on. Our government is slowly but surely taking note of every single second in our lives, and it's played off as the people who actually give a crap are just nuts.

Like I said, it is in the government and big business' favor to have a bunch of fat, lazy & dumb plebians as it's constituents. We'll never fight back.

 

[shira]

Mass collection of data seems akin to the old nuclear arms race: It's certain that the "other side" is going to be doing this, so "we" have to do it, too. So it's pretty clear that the NSA is never going to stop, and maybe we don't want them to.

So it's up to individuals to engage in defensive practices. I'm guessing that better and better encryption tools are going to become available for all methods of communication. And if the NSA will really be able to collect almost 1000 exabytes of data annually in the near future, then maybe everyone else needs to start generating several terabytes of data annually. For example, maybe email tools can be developed that surround a typical email with a gigabyte of data; if you send 1000 emails a year, that's a terabyte right there. In other words, let's overwhelm the NSA with so much data that it can't possibly keep up with the flow. Yes, that would require much higher average bandwidths than most people have right now; but if the demand is there, companies will respond.

Fighting back against the NSA in these ways will also fight back against other countries. I don't see that there's any alternative. The NSA and the security arms of countries aren't going to stop, so the rest of us need to get angry and get active.

 

[NoStateofMind]

We are well beyond hope now folks. They have been manipulating social media, experimenting on us and using propaganda to control us. That has already come out in the news. They use shills in forums like this one to sway us, and put out false and misleading information. Now we have local law enforcement voraciously militarizing across the US and people have been asking for years why? I think we all know why. Now the leak came out that the NSA has been spying on the Senate and top officials people who are Americans, (not terrorists) people who are leaders or this country and even political leaders for various organizations that have nothing to do with terrorism but in fact are political.

Yea, we are fucked.

But, unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions. And when it has exceeded its proper functions, it has not done so merely in some inconsequential and debatable matters. The law has gone further than this; it has acted in direct opposition to its own purpose. The law has been used to destroy its own objective: It has been applied to annihilating the justice that it was supposed to maintain; to limiting and destroying rights which its real purpose was to respect. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense.

The Law by Frederic Bastiat

 

[Zorkorist]

Very nice

Villany, sustains life.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

At some point it was the Nina, la pinta, la santa maria...

They, sustain life.

What doesn't sustain life, is Government.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Freedom!

Stomp!

Freedom!

Stomp!

Freedom!

Stomp!

-John

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

lulz

 

[Zorkorist]

Imaginative post.

Thanks

-John

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Imaginative post.

Thanks

-John

just on par

 

[Zorkorist]

Let me guess, you are on the Government dole.

Big time? Or just scraping by?

-John

 

[ch33zw1z]

The data center in question is the one we know about, where's the DR site?

Everything you say and do that's within their ability to grab will be stored until your dead. Because were all guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Zorkorist]

It's related to how they have unlimited funds. Funny how they spend their unlimited funds (Government) on surveiling people, rather than helping people.

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We hear how our coasts are going to be flooded, how farmland will be desert, and how Vermont will be like Florida in temperatures with ecological catastrophes which cause further disaster so what do we do? Spend money on alternatives? No, we become the greatest voyeurs in all of existence. Wonderful.

 

[Zorkorist]

When you have unlimited spending, there are no reporcussions.

-John