New England Punishment Announced

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
No where close to enough. For all we know they have been doing it for the length of their dynasty. It is not that hard to beat a team when you and your defense know what play(s) they are running.

This is ridiculous - they should invalidate all wins that have occurred during this cheating. They need to take away Super Bowls, they need to take away records, they need to strike everything.

I've got to disagree with you. The Patriots have been an excellent team lately and they deserve their rings. I think that banning them from the playoffs would be extremely effective, but it would never happen. First of all, it's probably too strict, but that's debatable. Most importantly, it would take away a lot of fans, and therefore money, from the NFL. It's just not going to happen.

I agree with you there - which is why I am frustrated. Everyone is assuming this is an isolated incident. I am assuming they have been doing this for years. It definitely puts some doubt into the NE dynasty.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
No where close to enough. For all we know they have been doing it for the length of their dynasty. It is not that hard to beat a team when you and your defense know what play(s) they are running.

This is ridiculous - they should invalidate all wins that have occurred during this cheating. They need to take away Super Bowls, they need to take away records, they need to strike everything.

Want some cheese with that whine? Did somebody call the WAHmbulance? Meow?

The fact of the matter is I'm absolutely certain the New England Patriots have bent or broken every rule that stands between them and winning, since 1960. I am equally certain every other football team has done the same since their respective inceptions. For that matter, every individual or team that intends to win in any sport.

I'll say it again: It's not unfair when everyone is doing it.

Honestly, I think the penalty handed down would be identical for any team in this situation. A massive penalty would have crippled the league, and that would be incredibly dumb.

LONG LIVE THE SNOW PLOW INCIDENT!!!

 

[SSP]

Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
Dam, thats was steeper penatly than I thought would be handed down. The commish is laying down the smack on players and ownership/management. I approve though, he wants to get the message out and stop everyone else from screwing around anymore.

You think thats steep? THIS is what I call steep (and well deserved too).

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You seriously need to educate yourself on the subject.

If that's the case, how is that going to help them when team's defensive coaches change their signals every week? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...heating.nfl/index.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../01/09/life_of_reilly/

"It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

If it is so small an issue, then explain to me why the people who know more about this subject than everyone on this board combined have outlawed it via a rule and handed out the maximum fine allowable for the rule breaker?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
It definitely puts some doubt into the NE dynasty.

Maybe, but without proof I'm completely against any kind of action being taken with regard to their past championships. I think they've earned them.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
No where close to enough. For all we know they have been doing it for the length of their dynasty. It is not that hard to beat a team when you and your defense know what play(s) they are running.

This is ridiculous - they should invalidate all wins that have occurred during this cheating. They need to take away Super Bowls, they need to take away records, they need to strike everything.

Want some cheese with that whine? Did somebody call the WAHmbulance? Meow?

The fact of the matter is I'm absolutely certain the New England Patriots have bent or broken every rule that stands between them and winning, since 1960. I am equally certain every other football team has done the same since their respective inceptions. For that matter, every individual or team that intends to win in any sport.

I'll say it again: It's not unfair when everyone is doing it.

Honestly, I think the penalty handed down would be identical for any team in this situation. A massive penalty would have crippled the league, and that would be incredibly dumb.

LONG LIVE THE SNOW PLOW INCIDENT!!!

Everyone's doing it so lets turn a blind eye to it. Great.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You seriously need to educate yourself on the subject.

If that's the case, how is that going to help them when team's defensive coaches change their signals every week? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...heating.nfl/index.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.../01/09/life_of_reilly/

"It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

If it is so small an issue, then explain to me why the people who know more about this subject than everyone on this board combined have outlawed it via a rule and handed out the maximum fine allowable for the rule breaker?

Why? B/c people hate a winner!

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
It definitely puts some doubt into the NE dynasty.

Maybe, but without proof I'm completely against any kind of action being taken with regard to their past championships. I think they've earned them.

I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

 

[Storm]

/me circle December 16 when the Jets visit the Pats...

Not a fan of either team but man that is going to be a bloodbath.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
It definitely puts some doubt into the NE dynasty.

Maybe, but without proof I'm completely against any kind of action being taken with regard to their past championships. I think they've earned them.

I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

The Jets could've had the entire team on the field during the entire game and they still weren't going to beat the Patriots.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

They don't really deserve the win though. It's a tough call. Like I said, banning them from the playoffs would send a message, but it could be too harsh. You'd want some kind of punishment that doesn't disrupt other teams, that way there can be no question about other teams. If you gave the win to the Jets and they got into the playoffs simply because of that, how should the team that has to play them feel about that? I'd be a little upset if I had to play someone that didn't really "belong" there.

I think that the punishment that was handed down was really all that could be done.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
No where close to enough. For all we know they have been doing it for the length of their dynasty. It is not that hard to beat a team when you and your defense know what play(s) they are running.

This is ridiculous - they should invalidate all wins that have occurred during this cheating. They need to take away Super Bowls, they need to take away records, they need to strike everything.

Wow. Good thing you aren't in charge of the league.

Why bother having a rule if you don't hold people to it. Why should the Jets have a loss on thier record when NE broke the rules? Would it have been fair if NY played with 25 defenders all game and didn't get caught until after the game? I bet you NE would have lost if NY had been able to do that. Should the outcome have been invalidated under that cheat?

Whose to say the effect recording the signs had on the outcome of the game and all other games where they cheated? Was it enough to change the winner?

They took away their camera before the halftime when they could take advantage of the camera. The jets got their ass beat without the camera's help.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

They don't really deserve the win though. It's a tough call. Like I said, banning them from the playoffs would send a message, but it could be too harsh. You'd want some kind of punishment that doesn't disrupt other teams, that way there can be no question about other teams. If you gave the win to the Jets and they got into the playoffs simply because of that, how should the team that has to play them feel about that? I'd be a little upset if I had to play someone that didn't really "belong" there.

I think that the punishment that was handed down was really all that could be done.

Denver cheated the salary cap and they got less of a punishment than the Pats. This was one of the harshest punishments I've seen in a long time.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Garet Jax, the Patriots and McClaren rulings will do nothing to stop cheating. They will force people to tread lightly with the cheating, at least for a little while. This will happen again.

Pats, extra curved hockey stick blades, et cetera = low level cheats, normal within the respective body.
McClaren, Barry Bonds, et cetera = over the top cheating, to be burned at the stake.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Denver cheated the salary cap and they got less of a punishment than the Pats. This was one of the harshest punishments I've seen in a long time.

Well, that's in the past, but I would hope that if it happened again today that the punishment would be fair. I'm a Patriots anti-fan, but all punishments simply must be fair. Patriots, Broncos, Saints, Cardinals, the rules must be the same.

The sad part is that this whole cheating thing casts a negative light on a lot of people who weren't directly involved with it.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: Storm
/me circle December 16 when the Jets visit the Pats...

Not a fan of either team but man that is going to be a bloodbath.

what's going to be a bloodbath is sunday's patriots/chargers game. 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. the chargers feel vindicated about crying, and the pats definately want to send a message to everyone. this is going to outshine the superbowl.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Storm
/me circle December 16 when the Jets visit the Pats...

Not a fan of either team but man that is going to be a bloodbath.

what's going to be a bloodbath is sunday's patriots/chargers game. 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. the chargers feel vindicated about crying, and the pats definately want to send a message to everyone. this is going to outshine the superbowl.

I'll be there, 10 rows up from the field

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

They don't really deserve the win though. It's a tough call. Like I said, banning them from the playoffs would send a message, but it could be too harsh. You'd want some kind of punishment that doesn't disrupt other teams, that way there can be no question about other teams. If you gave the win to the Jets and they got into the playoffs simply because of that, how should the team that has to play them feel about that? I'd be a little upset if I had to play someone that didn't really "belong" there.

I think that the punishment that was handed down was really all that could be done.

Denver cheated the salary cap and they got less of a punishment than the Pats. This was one of the harshest punishments I've seen in a long time.

denver lost 2 3rd rounders and penalized close to 2 million bucks(I know that's chump change to these franchises) and it took them some 6 years after the fact to discover it.

also it was under taglibue.

Goodell has shown himself to be a no nonsense guy. the dallas assistant coach or whatever got suspended for HGH and he doesn't even play. Teams were told they can't do this, the Pats apparently have done this before and got warned. So Goodell threw down the hammer.

Who knows maybe there's something more, than just videotaping signals. We heard about odd radio frequency that hte Pats couldn't explain to Goodell's liking.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Storm
/me circle December 16 when the Jets visit the Pats...

Not a fan of either team but man that is going to be a bloodbath.

what's going to be a bloodbath is sunday's patriots/chargers game. 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. the chargers feel vindicated about crying, and the pats definately want to send a message to everyone. this is going to outshine the superbowl.

I'll be there, 10 rows up from the field

that is f'ing cool

 

[BlancoNino]

I'm not a New England Patriots fan, but...come on. The penalty seems a little too harsh, IMO.

"Hey Tom, based on the informatoin we've gathered, the Jets are going to triple team Moss deep down the field on this play. Throw it to him, he'll be wide open."

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: Storm
/me circle December 16 when the Jets visit the Pats...

Not a fan of either team but man that is going to be a bloodbath.

what's going to be a bloodbath is sunday's patriots/chargers game. 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. the chargers feel vindicated about crying, and the pats definately want to send a message to everyone. this is going to outshine the superbowl.

Yea should be a good game.

 

[w3stfa11]

I think that's a fair penalty. I'm astounded at how many people think it's not enough. It'll be interesting now for the Pats. Their moves will be analyzed by everyone. I'm not sure they'll be even be able read signals like every other team does now.

 

[Miramonti]

I think its fair as well. The league absolutely had to send a message to teams about this sort of thing. And if another team does it again soon, they may not even get off so lightly, as penalties will escalate if the league feels they aren't discouraging enough.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
I agree, but they could have taken the win away from them and given it to NY.

They don't really deserve the win though. It's a tough call. Like I said, banning them from the playoffs would send a message, but it could be too harsh. You'd want some kind of punishment that doesn't disrupt other teams, that way there can be no question about other teams. If you gave the win to the Jets and they got into the playoffs simply because of that, how should the team that has to play them feel about that? I'd be a little upset if I had to play someone that didn't really "belong" there.

I think that the punishment that was handed down was really all that could be done.

Denver cheated the salary cap and they got less of a punishment than the Pats. This was one of the harshest punishments I've seen in a long time.

denver lost 2 3rd rounders and penalized close to 2 million bucks(I know that's chump change to these franchises) and it took them some 6 years after the fact to discover it.

also it was under taglibue.

Goodell has shown himself to be a no nonsense guy. the dallas assistant coach or whatever got suspended for HGH and he doesn't even play. Teams were told they can't do this, the Pats apparently have done this before and got warned. So Goodell threw down the hammer.

Who knows maybe there's something more, than just videotaping signals. We heard about odd radio frequency that hte Pats couldn't explain to Goodell's liking.

Thanks for owning that PatZealot

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm not a New England Patriots fan, but...come on. The penalty seems a little too harsh, IMO.

"Hey Tom, based on the informatoin we've gathered, the Jets are going to triple team Moss deep down the field on this play. Throw it to him, he'll be wide open."

Thats because you are one of those fools who thinks football is more about offense. You are miles off.

Shanahan knows how to schuffle around the D so BiliCheat doen't know whats going on. Thats why the Broncos have made Brady cry and lose his cool last 2 meetings. If you havent noticed no other teams get near Brady since Bilicheat knows where the blitz is from, Meanwhile Lynch made Brady his bitch.