New death penalty cocktail. Seems effective.

[boomerang]

Wow, now that is some breathtaking mental contortion.

If I'm beating your face while wearing boxing gloves, and then Joe comes along and takes my gloves from me but I just keep on battering your smarmy stupid face without them, how is that your bruises are suddenly Joe's fault? Aren't I still the one rearranging your butt-ugly mug?

Fuck me, how do you even find your way out of bed in the morning?

Feel better now? Yeah, I didn't think so. There's no cure for progitis. You guys are usually good for a laugh though! I'll have a little extra spring in my step all day today. Thanks!

 

[Ns1]

the usa is often on the tardy side of morality. Let it be slavery, segregation, disenfranchised voting rights, through to homosexual persecution/inequality, you all in the usa will eventually also experience capital punishment to be legislated away. As the immoral delays of those other deceitful persecutions, the state killing of your prisoners will be prolonged far too long, all to your societal shame.

'MURICA. FACK YEAH.


caps

 

[Mark R]

This. I've always wondered why they don't use heroin, or morphine. IV ten grams and it's bliss, nod off and then complete respiratory shut down. Quick, easy, painless, and free.

That IS effectively what they used. In this case, the lethal injection was a massive OD of hydromorphone (a synthetic drug like morphine, but quicker acting and more potent).

Just to be sure they also gave a big dose of a sedative (midazolam, a ultra fast acting benzodiazepine - like valium, or attivan, but more potent) at the same time.

The outcry in this case appears to be that the death lingered for longer than expected, and that they could see the dying gasps of the victim. This is not unexpected, death can take a considerable period of time following even a massive overdose.

Traditional execution lethal injections get around this by giving a paralysing agent at the same time. This completely paralyses all muscles, so that the victim stops breathing, and the common gasping-type breathing (air hunger), muscle twitching and muscles spasms that you get at death don't occur. When someone suffocates, which is basically what happens in lethal injection execution (the agent, an anesthetic or similar drug, essentially slows breathing to a non life sustaining rate).

The traditional cocktail then finishes the job with potassium chloride which stops the heart within a few seconds. Again, it was odd that they omitted this, as it could easily be prepared by an pharmacy.

While claims that this method of execution would have resulted in excess suffering by the victim, are patent nonsense, the fact that the execution took a long time, and looked violent and distressing, is not a surprise, and suggests that the people designing the method really didn't understand what they were doing.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Hashem Dezhbakhsh & Paul H. Rubin
From the 'econometrics of capital punishment' to the 'capital punishment' of econometrics: on the use and abuse of sensitivity analysis
Applied Economics, Vol. 43, Issue 25, pages 3655-3670 (2011)

Abstract:The academic debate over the deterrent effect of capital punishment has intensified again with a major policy outcome at stake. About two dozen empirical studies have recently emerged that explore the issue. Donohue and Wolfers (2005) claim to have examined the recent studies and shown the evidence not to be robust to specification changes. We argue that the narrow scope of their study does not warrant this claim. Moreover, focusing on our two studies that they have examined, we show the deterrence findings to be robust, while their work has serious flaws and their reporting appears to be selective. The selectivity is biased towards showing 'no deterrence'.


Michael Frakes & Matthew Harding
The Deterrent Effect of Death Penalty Eligibility: Evidence from the Adoption of Child Murder Eligibility Factors
American Law and Economics Review, vol. 11, no. 2, pp. 451-497 (2009)

Abstract: We draw on variations in the reach of capital punishment statutes between 1977 and 2004 to identify the deterrent effects associated with capital eligibility. Focusing on the most prevalent eligibility expansion, we estimate that the adoption of a child murder factor is associated with an approximately 20% reduction in the child murder rate. Eligibility expansions may enhance deterrence by (i) paving the way for more executions and (ii) providing prosecutors with greater leverage to secure enhanced noncapital sentences. While executions themselves are rare, this latter channel may be triggered fairly regularly, providing a reasonable basis for a general deterrent response.

 

[gotsmack]

FREEDOM!!!

That would be a pretty epic last word if you were about to be executed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

:biggrin:

You have to kill 1 innocent person or 10 innocent person. Which one would you choose?

I *have* to kill someone? Why? Did god command me to? If so, he/she/it is out of luck.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That would be a pretty epic last word if you were about to be executed.

Now that you mention it. :biggrin:

 

[DigDog]

Why not just shoot the guy with a shotgun? Guaranteed immediate death, without even the chance of being scared.
Heck, they could shoot him the morning of the execution day, before he wakes up, through the cell grates.
Cleanup with a hose. Coroner's, patch the wound, burial.

i might be thick but this seems to me the best way, for all parties concerned.

 

[Spungo]

I still think a firing squad would be better and much cheaper.

Might also be more humane. You probably won't live for 15 minutes after getting shot in the head with one of these:

This also makes it easier to harvest organs for organ donation. I seriously doubt you would want a liver or heart that came from a guy who was injected with poison. That's like getting a blood transfusion laced with HIV or something.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I *have* to kill someone? Why? Did god command me to? If so, he/she/it is out of luck.

Your indecision has led to the death of 10 innocent people. You had a chance to save their lives, but you choose to do nothing. They are now dead.

How do you feel?

 

[Spungo]

Your indecision has led to the death of 10 innocent people. You had a chance to save their lives, but you choose to do nothing. They are now dead.

How do you feel?

How many people do I need to kill to redeem myself?

It would be nice if prisoners ALWAYS had the option of death penalty. I think it's dumb how prisoners are put on suicide watch. They want to die and we're stopping them? That's cruel and unusual. The right to die seems like a pretty basic right that everybody should have, even prisoners.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Might also be more humane. You probably won't live for 15 minutes after getting shot in the head with one of these:
.

Why all that fuss?
Straight out of the court house over to the town square and one guy with a sharp sword
You really can't get more efficient then that

 

[_Rick_]

How do you feel?

Like a god.

 

[Darwin333]

Ambiguous. It was certainly less cruel and unusual than what he did to his victim.

The constitution makes no mention that cruel and unusual be determined by an individuals actions.

On another note, isn't cyanide like instant death? I mean seriously, humans have been poisoning other humans for thousands of years and we can't get it right in this day and age????

 

[Darwin333]

Really?

"The Missouri Society of Anesthesiologists (MSA) strongly opposes the Missouri Department of Corrections use of propofol in lethal injections due to the immediate impact it could have on our ability to safely administer anesthesia during surgeries. As physicians, anesthesiologists rely on propofol to manage vital life functions in over 95% of the surgeries we perform. If Missouri uses this anesthetic in a single lethal injection, over 15,000 hospitals, clinics, and health care facilities across the country are in risk of losing their supply of propofol in the operating room."

Holy crap, how many people does Missouri put to death for their use of the drug to have any sort of supply or usage issues?

 

[nehalem256]

How many people do I need to kill to redeem myself?

It would be nice if prisoners ALWAYS had the option of death penalty. I think it's dumb how prisoners are put on suicide watch. They want to die and we're stopping them? That's cruel and unusual. The right to die seems like a pretty basic right that everybody should have, even prisoners.

:thumbsup:

On the same topic. How can a hunger strike ever be effective? Oh no a criminal might die because they refused to eat. How can we possibly live with ourselves if we let that happen

Although I think the answer to why we try to prevent prisoners killing themselves is lawsuits:
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...ounty-jail-file-lawsuits/stories/201308300158

 

[nehalem256]

Holy crap, how many people does Missouri put to death for their use of the drug to have any sort of supply or usage issues?

I think the issue is the supplier of the drug would stop supplying the drug due to pressure of anti-death penalty groups.

I guess according to liberals its better to let 1000s of sick people suffer/die then to let one murderer get executed D:

 

[Darwin333]

Not really cuz it still costs taxpayers a lot. But it'll have to do.

So if it was free you would be entertained?

 

[Darwin333]

While their pain doesn't undo their crime, it's sometimes as close as we can come to a valid punishment. I would HAPPILY give the 6 month version to at least a couple people who would otherwise be taking up space in our prisons. It doesn't even have to be a drug...let me in there and I'll personally work 40 hours a week administering constant torture to them.

Making you at least as sick of an individual as the person you are "working on".

 

[PrinceofWands]

Making you at least as sick of an individual as the person you are "working on".

You're welcome to that opinion. Mine differs.

 

[Darwin333]

I think my views on the death penalty have changed over the years. This is entirely due to people being exonerated by DNA evidence. I completely understand the desire for vengeance/eye-for-an-eye when a heinous crime is committed, but I think the bar for the death penalty has to be EXTREMELY high. We need to ensure that there is no chance, at all, of an innocent person being executed. IANAL, so I'm not entirely sure how you set this bar. Require multiple direct eye witness accounts of the crime? Require matching DNA evidence?

One problem with our justice system, that admittedly I have no idea on how to fix, is how we take eyewitness testimony as gospel. It has been proven over and over and over again that the absolute worst form of evidence is eyewitness testimony. I am not saying that it isn't valid in some cases but the vast majority of society believes that there is nothing better than eyewitness testimony.

 

[Darwin333]

You're welcome to that opinion. Mine differs.

You both would have very purposely inflicted great pain on another human being without remorse. I see no difference between the two at all. What if the scumbag thought the person he did whatever he did to deserved it as well? What makes your opinion the horrific actions you wish to inflict on another person are "right" any different than his?

BTW, there are a few countries out there that share your opinion. Depending on your religion I am sure they would be happy to take you up on your offer of services. Personally I really like the fact that we are different from them in many ways, this one is pretty close to the top of the list.

 

[Darwin333]

How many people do I need to kill to redeem myself?

It would be nice if prisoners ALWAYS had the option of death penalty. I think it's dumb how prisoners are put on suicide watch. They want to die and we're stopping them? That's cruel and unusual. The right to die seems like a pretty basic right that everybody should have, even prisoners.

Our great government does not believe that we have a right to die. Basically the .gov believes they own our bodies in at least limited fashion. Want to find out that I am right, walk into a police station and tell them that you intend to, without putting anyone else at risk, end your own life. You will see exactly how much of a right a free (or at least used to be) person has to die.

With that said, I wholeheartedly agree that a person has the right to end their own life. What could possibly be more cruel and unusual than forcing a person to live in their own hell, regardless of how or why it came to be?

 

[boomerang]

Holy crap, how many people does Missouri put to death for their use of the drug to have any sort of supply or usage issues?

You have to click on the link in that post and read the next paragraph. That paragraph, taken out of context would get the reaction you had from virtually everyone.

 

[nehalem256]

You both would have very purposely inflicted great pain on another human being without remorse. I see no difference between the two at all. What if the scumbag thought the person he did whatever he did to deserved it as well? What makes your opinion the horrific actions you wish to inflict on another person are "right" any different than his?

So then by your logic if someone kidnaps someone and holds them prisoner in their basement for 10 years that is absolutely no different than society then putting that guy in prison for 10 years.

After all, what if the scumbag kidnapper thought the innocent person he held prisoner in his basement deserved that as well?