New death penalty cocktail. Seems effective.

[Darwin333]

Sure it does. You even bolded it - killing an innocent person is Brutal/inhumane.

The person in the OP killed an innocent person, meaning he committed a brutal/inhumane act. It also makes him not-innocent, which means what he received is not brutal/ inhumane.

I am pretty sure that it is fact that we have executed innocent people, yet I am under the impression that you still support the death penalty, am I correct? What would you say about an innocent person that was executed? Casualty of war or something like that? Ooops, our bad?

An even better question is, since the killing of an innocent person is murder and murder is illegal in our country, are the people that carried out the murder guilty of a crime? What about the State that hired said people to carry out the murder?

 

[Darwin333]

So then by your logic if someone kidnaps someone and holds them prisoner in their basement for 10 years that is absolutely no different than society then putting that guy in prison for 10 years.

After all, what if the scumbag kidnapper thought the innocent person he held prisoner in his basement deserved that as well?

If you want to skip over the entire trial, judge, jury of their peers, guilty verdict, the fact that conditions are far different in jail than in a basement, the fact that inmates still have some rights, and a host of other things..... umm, sure.

BTW, you didn't really address any of my points but I will make it a bit easier for you and ask two simple questions.

How would you be any different from, or better than, the person you were torturing?

Exactly what would be gained by such a horrific and persistent torturing of another human being?

 

[nehalem256]

BTW, you didn't really address any of my points but I will make it a bit easier for you and ask two simple questions.

How would you be any different from, or better than, the person you were torturing?

Here you go:

If you want to skip over the entire trial, judge, jury of their peers, guilty verdict, the fact that conditions are far different in jail than in a basement, the fact that inmates still have some rights, and a host of other things..... umm, sure.

Exactly what would be gained by such a horrific and persistent torturing of another human being?

Revenge. Justice. Discouragement of other people doing the same thing.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Your indecision has led to the death of 10 innocent people. You had a chance to save their lives, but you choose to do nothing. They are now dead.

How do you feel?

I feel pretty darn good, thanks for asking.

No one is actually dead. They're figments of your imagination.

You seem to have forgotten that you are just some person sending out 1s and 0s into the wilds of the interwebs.

To be honest it seems like kind of a waste for you to spend so much time using those 1s and 0s to troll other folks. But, your life, do with it as you will.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I think the issue is the supplier of the drug would stop supplying the drug due to pressure of anti-death penalty groups.

I guess according to liberals its better to let 1000s of sick people suffer/die then to let one murderer get executed D:

You need to spend more time with your lovely toaster.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So then by your logic if someone kidnaps someone and holds them prisoner in their basement for 10 years that is absolutely no different than society then putting that guy in prison for 10 years.

After all, what if the scumbag kidnapper thought the innocent person he held prisoner in his basement deserved that as well?

You mean like you seem to think that young women who are assaulted actually bring it on themselves? You mean like that kind of 'deserved'?

 

[nehalem256]

You need to spend more time with your lovely toaster.

Upset that I pointed out that liberal anti death penalty groups are trying to use sick people as hostages to keep murders alive?

Yeah I can see why you wouldn't want that fact pointed out to people.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Upset that I pointed out that liberal anti death penalty groups are trying to use sick people as hostages to keep murders alive?

Yeah I can see why you wouldn't want that fact pointed out to people.

I'm sorry but that's really funny. I doubt that you'd recognize anything resembling a fact if it walked up and slapped you in the face (something that I suspect has happened to you more than once).

Have a nice day and say hi to your toaster-wives.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You both would have very purposely inflicted great pain on another human being without remorse. I see no difference between the two at all. What if the scumbag thought the person he did whatever he did to deserved it as well? What makes your opinion the horrific actions you wish to inflict on another person are "right" any different than his?

BTW, there are a few countries out there that share your opinion. Depending on your religion I am sure they would be happy to take you up on your offer of services. Personally I really like the fact that we are different from them in many ways, this one is pretty close to the top of the list.

Nope. Those that commit initial atrocities against innocents are no longer human. They surrendered such rights when they violated them in others.

My action would be retaliation, not initial action, and would be against a guilty person only, not an innocent. In almost no cases do the perpetrators believe the innocent 'deserved' what they do to them. They simply don't care, or are incapable of thinking/feeling at all. Either way, it was evil victimizing the innocent, and deserves swift, brutal, and merciless retribution.

I have no religion. Religion is ignorant bullshit for fucktard sheep and never deserves any form of consideration except when inside a church.

But as I said, difference of opinion. If you don't want me killing the evil scum of the world you better beg the state to keep doing it. Because one way or another, there are those of us who demand that it happen, and I at least would quite readily go through worthless pieces of shit like you to tear them apart should you come between us, because if you would protect evil then YOU are evil as well.

 

[bradly1101]

I am pretty sure that it is fact that we have executed innocent people, yet I am under the impression that you still support the death penalty, am I correct? What would you say about an innocent person that was executed? Casualty of war or something like that? Ooops, our bad?

An even better question is, since the killing of an innocent person is murder and murder is illegal in our country, are the people that carried out the murder guilty of a crime? What about the State that hired said people to carry out the murder?

This.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm sorry but that's really funny. I doubt that you'd recognize anything resembling a fact if it walked up and slapped you in the face (something that I suspect has happened to you more than once).

Its from your own link:

The Missouri Society of Anesthesiologists (MSA) strongly opposes the Missouri Department of
Corrections use of propofol in lethal injections due to the immediate impact it could have on our
ability to safely administer anesthesia during surgeries. As physicians, anesthesiologists rely on
propofol to manage vital life functions in over 95% of the surgeries we perform. If Missouri uses
this anesthetic in a single lethal injection, over 15,000 hospitals, clinics, and health care facilities
across the country are in risk of losing their supply of propofol in the operating room.

The European Union (EU) has strict regulations to require immediate export restrictions of any
drug used for lethal injection. Missouri is scheduled to become the first ever state to use propofol
for lethal injection in our country on October 23. We urge the Department of Corrections not to
jeopardize the safety of over 50 million patients who rely on this critical medication for anesthesia
during surgery each year.

If Missouri uses the drug to implement the death penalty strict EU regulations require immediate export restrictions on the drug.

Anti-death penalty activists in the EU would rather see 1000s of patients suffer/die than a murderer be executed.

Anyone remember the Democrats whining about Republican hostage taking with the death ceiling?:whiste:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Its from your own link:


If Missouri uses the drug to implement the death penalty strict EU regulations require immediate export restrictions on the drug.

Anti-death penalty activists in the EU would rather see 1000s of patients suffer/die than a murderer be executed.

Anyone remember the Democrats whining about Republican hostage taking with the death ceiling?:whiste:

"London, 15 May 2013 – Hikma Pharmaceuticals PLC (LSE: HIK) (NASDAQ
Dubai: HIK) notes the press release issued today by the legal action charity Reprieve, regarding the potential use of its injectable phenobarbital for the purpose of capital punishment by the Arkansas Department of Corrections.

Phenobarbital is the world’s most widely used anti-*convulsant. Hikma
strongly objects to the use of any of its products in capital punishment. The Company is putting in place concrete steps to restrict the supply of its
products for unintended uses. It has ceased the direct sale of injectable
phenobarbital to US departments of corrections and will work directly with its distribution partners to add restrictions for unintended use to its distribution contracts.

Looks to me like the pharmaceutical company does not want its product used in capital punishment?

 

[nehalem256]

Looks to me like the pharmaceutical company does not want its product used in capital punishment?

So anti death penalty advocates at the pharmaceutical company(or more likely due to outside pressure from said groups) would rather see 1000s of sick people suffer/die than a murder get executed.

You really don't see anything screwed up with that?

 

[TerryMathews]

Looks to me like the pharmaceutical company does not want its product used in capital punishment?

And how is that any more appropriate than the florist that didnt want to serve gay couples?

I guess imposing your morality is only a problem if a libtard says it is?

 

[Orignal Earl]

So anti death penalty advocates at the pharmaceutical company(or more likely due to outside pressure from said groups) would rather see 1000s of sick people suffer/die than a murder get executed.

You really don't see anything screwed up with that?

Some pro death penalty folk think it's cool to put all those peeps at risk, so they can continue their work against even the producers wishes.

And how is that any more appropriate than the florist that didnt want to serve gay couples?

I guess imposing your morality is only a problem if a libtard says it is?

I'd look at each case and make up my own mind thank you
I couldn't even begin to guess what you think a libtard is, so I dunno

 

[Victorian Gray]

Its from your own link:


If Missouri uses the drug to implement the death penalty strict EU regulations require immediate export restrictions on the drug.

Anti-death penalty activists in the EU would rather see 1000s of patients suffer/die than a murderer be executed.

Anyone remember the Democrats whining about Republican hostage taking with the death ceiling?:whiste:

You do realize that your argument makes no sense whatsoever don't you?

I'd hate to think that you're not actually a troll but that you really are as you present yourself. Because, if that were true, I'm not sure that I can still support your man toaster relationship. I'd have to worry about the poor toaster's safety being in a relationship with someone in your mental state.

 

[Victorian Gray]

so anti death penalty advocates at the pharmaceutical company(or more likely due to outside pressure from said groups) would rather see 1000s of sick people suffer/die than a murder get executed.

You really don't see anything screwed up with that?

CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!FREE MARKET!!!!!!!BOOYAH!!!!!!

What are you? A commie?!

 

[Orignal Earl]

You do realize that your argument makes no sense whatsoever don't you?

I'd hate to think that you're not actually a troll but that you really are as you present yourself. Because, if that were true, I'm not sure that I can still support your man toaster relationship. I'd have to worry about the poor toaster's safety being in a relationship with someone in your mental state.

I've met a lot of people in my time, but none as creepy as some of the people who post here

 

[TerryMathews]

I'd look at each case and make up my own mind thank you

So, in effect what I posted was abrasive but correct: youre ok with it as long as you think the opinion being forced is "right".

 

[nehalem256]

You do realize that your argument makes no sense whatsoever don't you?

It makes perfect. Anti-death penalty activists pass a law preventing a drug from being exported to places that use it for the death penalty.

They are trying to use the 1000s of patients needing the drug as hostages to prevent application of the death penalty.

I don't know why you have issues understanding this?

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I feel pretty darn good, thanks for asking.

No one is actually dead. They're figments of your imagination.

You seem to have forgotten that you are just some person sending out 1s and 0s into the wilds of the interwebs.

To be honest it seems like kind of a waste for you to spend so much time using those 1s and 0s to troll other folks. But, your life, do with it as you will.

You feel pretty pretty darn good encouraging murderers to kill. You are against the death penalty because it makes you feel good to believe you're morally superior to others.

As long as you can feel good about yourself, you're fine with more innocent children and adults being murdered by others.

You're a disgusting hypocrite.

Michael Frakes & Matthew Harding
The Deterrent Effect of Death Penalty Eligibility: Evidence from the Adoption of Child Murder Eligibility Factors
American Law and Economics Review, vol. 11, no. 2, pp. 451-497 (2009)

Abstract: We draw on variations in the reach of capital punishment statutes between 1977 and 2004 to identify the deterrent effects associated with capital eligibility. Focusing on the most prevalent eligibility expansion, we estimate that the adoption of a child murder factor is associated with an approximately 20% reduction in the child murder rate. Eligibility expansions may enhance deterrence by (i) paving the way for more executions and (ii) providing prosecutors with greater leverage to secure enhanced noncapital sentences. While executions themselves are rare, this latter channel may be triggered fairly regularly, providing a reasonable basis for a general deterrent response.

Hashem Dezhbakhsh & Paul H. Rubin
From the 'econometrics of capital punishment' to the 'capital punishment' of econometrics: on the use and abuse of sensitivity analysis
Applied Economics, Vol. 43, Issue 25, pages 3655-3670 (2011)

Abstract:The academic debate over the deterrent effect of capital punishment has intensified again with a major policy outcome at stake. About two dozen empirical studies have recently emerged that explore the issue. Donohue and Wolfers (2005) claim to have examined the recent studies and shown the evidence not to be robust to specification changes. We argue that the narrow scope of their study does not warrant this claim. Moreover, focusing on our two studies that they have examined, we show the deterrence findings to be robust, while their work has serious flaws and their reporting appears to be selective. The selectivity is biased towards showing 'no deterrence'.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So, in effect what I posted was abrasive but correct: youre ok with it as long as you think the opinion being forced is "right".

I think a person should follow the law

 

[Orignal Earl]

Anti-death penalty activists

You realize Anti-death penalty activists would be all the civilized nations of the world right?

 

[TerryMathews]

I think a person should follow the law

The law in this country is that executions are lawful and legal.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The law in this country is that executions are lawful and legal.

Yes and in civilized countries it's not