New Chicago Handgun Law was approved

[JSt0rm]

LOL True, I meant only democracy as a principle, not democracy as a form of government.



LOL Sometimes I forget that there are so many actual Chavez supporters out there. Scary, actually.

I dont support anyone but myself. I wouldn't listen to that guy too much. He is clearly butt hurt

 

[JSt0rm]

And I don't care if they succeed in the end or not, so long as they fight what's wrong.

you dont care if the revolution succeeds? just so long as they take down as many as they can?

How do you feel about the maoist revolutionaries in India?

http://maoistrevolutioninindia.blogspot.com/

Do you respect them? or because they are of a different political bent you hate them?

 

[Zebo]

look I dont care about people owning guns. Its a non issue to me. I just laugh at people who think they will overthrow the government.

This is true. There is nothing to overthrow in the first place. And if you tried you'd be crushed like a bug due to armament disparity. Would have to come from inside methinks like some generals staging a coup.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is true. There is nothing to overthrow in the first place. And if you tried you'd be crushed like a bug due to armament disparity. Would have to come from inside methinks like some generals staging a coup.

Thank you. This has been my point the entire time.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Thank you. This has been my point the entire time.

And it's entirely wrong, for the reasons already described at length.

 

[PrinceofWands]

you dont care if the revolution succeeds? just so long as they take down as many as they can?

How do you feel about the maoist revolutionaries in India?

http://maoistrevolutioninindia.blogspot.com/

Do you respect them? or because they are of a different political bent you hate them?

Entirely off topic to this discussion...in fact even the revolution debate is off topic, but less so than this.

 

[werepossum]

I told you you don't know shit about the recount and you went out and proved it. I know I am right, I don't need to guess:

This is one of many sources I can show you that proves exactly what I said. Gore got the most legal votes in Florida and won the election:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

Yes, who could possibly doubt a "news agency" that uncovers such honest, hard-hitting, totally unbiased investigative reports as "Neocons, Likud Conquer DC, Again", "The Military-Industrial Complex's Win", "Losing in Afghanistan", "How Reagan Charted a Dismal Future", "Thoughts on Patriotism on July Fourth" (American patriotism has undermined the nation's principles by preventing a needed debate about US ideals, writes William Blum. July 5, 2010), "Propaganda and Iran's Election" (Biased coverage of Iran's 2009 election is setting the stage for another conflict, write Edward S. Herman and David Peterson. June 22, 2010), and my personal favorite, "The CIA/Likud Sinking of Jimmy Carter".

You've become a caricature of a caricature of a moon-howling left wing nutjob, Moonie, screaming inside the echo chamber of left wing lunacy and holding on to every old outrage. The new meds just ain't workin'. I recommend an actual doctor this time in place of your friendly neighborhood "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

[Zebo]

And I don't care if they succeed in the end or not, so long as they fight what's wrong.

POW -= Please don't try and be a recruiter for this revolution...you have no PR/psychology skills. I don't see many signing up for a loss...know what I'm saying?

Uh no basic war theory is arms should not be used in a futile cause aka suicide, you're no better than a suicide bomber. Arms should only be used if there is grave evil and a legitimate shot of eradicating the evil otherwise you just make it worse for people who sympathize with you and soldiers in cause.

 

[JSt0rm]

Entirely off topic to this discussion...in fact even the revolution debate is off topic, but less so than this.

dude they are talking about the recount, does it really matter? ^_^

It very much is on topic. Those people are fighting and dying for what they think is correct politically. but that differs from our interests so how do you feel about the Maoists?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Uh no basic war theory is arms should not be used in a futile cause aka suicide, you're no better than a suicide bomber. Arms should only be used if there is grave evil and a legitimate shot of eradicating the evil otherwise you just make it worse for people who sympathize with you and soldiers in cause.

No, arms are used when there is an injustice with no other way to attempt to correct it. If a 10% chance is the best odds you've got, you take them. Better to die fighting than accept what is wrong.

 

[PrinceofWands]

dude they are talking about the recount, does it really matter? ^_^

It very much is on topic. Those people are fighting and dying for what they think is correct politically. but that differs from our interests so how do you feel about the Maoists?

Every person has a right to try and live under a system they agree with. If it's a super minority they'll be wiped out fairly quickly. If there's enough to put up a fight then hopefully they'll eventually achieve their goals, or some compromise thereof.

What I want doesn't give me the right to force it on another, so long as they're willing to not force their own views upon me if I can't live with them. A revolution isn't about killing those who disagree with you, it's about fighting for the right to live the way you want.

 

[palehorse]

wooo000000ooooooshhhhhhHHH

That sound you hear is the entire concept -- that of an armed populace keeping its government in check through the ever-present chance of a well-armed revolution -- flying wayyyyyyyyy over JStorm's head.

 

[Zebo]

No, arms are used when there is an injustice with no other way to attempt to correct it. If a 10% chance is the best odds you've got, you take them. Better to die fighting than accept what is wrong.

You're only thinking of yourself not future you leave for losers. The American revolution or any other successful one for that matter did not act until they were provisioned and manned with a good shot of winning. Prior proper planning is way smart and moral people act.

 

[bfdd]

Every person has a right to try and live under a system they agree with. If it's a super minority they'll be wiped out fairly quickly. If there's enough to put up a fight then hopefully they'll eventually achieve their goals, or some compromise thereof.

What I want doesn't give me the right to force it on another, so long as they're willing to not force their own views upon me if I can't live with them. A revolution isn't about killing those who disagree with you, it's about fighting for the right to live the way you want.

I like this guy.

 

[bfdd]

You're only thinking of yourself not future you leave for losers. The American revolution or any other successful one for that matter did not act until they were provisioned and manned with a good shot of winning. Prior proper planning is way smart and moral people act.

We as Americans are always supposed to be ready for another revolution. Have you not learned anything from the Founding Fathers?

 

[PrinceofWands]

You're only thinking of yourself not future you leave for losers. The American revolution or any other successful one for that matter did not act until they were provisioned and manned with a good shot of winning. Prior proper planning is way smart and moral people act.

No, I'm thinking of what's right, rather than what's safe. Prepare all you want, in the end it's still going to depend on things beyond your control. Might improve your odds over time, but you might lose any chance at all. In the meantime, you'll be supporting evil.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

[Zebo]

We as Americans are always supposed to be ready for another revolution. Have you not learned anything from the Founding Fathers?

I learned they had a good shot of winning before acting against the Crown. If some 5 million Rednecks decided they want to overthrow Gov't and take country back to 1776 they would not only be crushed Govt would take away all rights in the constitution revolutionaries hold dear for everyone else left over. A total police state would result because more would still value security than concept of 1776. You need popular support AND a good shot of winning. Anything else is just a religious fundi Zealot no better than Taliban.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I learned they had a good shot of winning before acting against the Crown. If some 5 million Rednecks decided they want to overthrow Gov't and take country back to 1776 they would not only be crushed Govt would take away all rights in the constitution revolutionaries hold dear for everyone else left over. A total police state would result because more would still value security than concept of 1776. You need popular support AND a good shot of winning. Anything else is just a religious fundi Zealot no better than Taliban.

Except that a large portion of us are liberal/left/academic/atheist/etc. You're own limited perceptions and biases obscure other possibilities, even when laid out before you.

 

[Zebo]

No, I'm thinking of what's right, rather than what's safe. Prepare all you want, in the end it's still going to depend on things beyond your control. Might improve your odds over time, but you might lose any chance at all. In the meantime, you'll be supporting evil.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Seriously? What's evil about USA? We lived a charmed life compared to most places. Not perfect. Money controls who we get to elect, etc. Certainly nothing to start shooting over and 99.99% feel this way.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Seriously? What's evil about USA? We lived a charmed life compared to most places. Not perfect. Money controls who we get to elect, etc. Certainly nothing to start shooting over and 99.99% feel this way.

Which is why we aren't IN a revolution. Preparing for the possibility, however, is a duty of all Americans. So that should it ever become necessary, we will be ready. Eternal vigilance is the price we must pay for the charmed life you espouse.

 

[Zebo]

Except that a large portion of us are liberal/left/academic/atheist/etc. You're own limited perceptions and biases obscure other possibilities, even when laid out before you.

Teabaggers was presented earlier so I went with that. Chose any revolutionary group you want. Premise is the same. There will be a backlash against them, supporters of them, and they will lose which is immoral and stupid.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Teabaggers was presented earlier so I went with that. Chose any revolutionary group you want. Premise is the same. There will be a backlash against them, supporters of them, and they will lose which is immoral and stupid.

Enduring what is wrong is immoral. Striving against it noble. Always. Of course you do your best to win, including timing your attacks...but you do not just sit and wait for the perfect conditions, because they will NEVER come.

Our revolution wasn't glorious planning and forethought, it was luck and determination more than anything.

 

[Zebo]

Which is why we aren't IN a revolution. Preparing for the possibility, however, is a duty of all Americans. So that should it ever become necessary, we will be ready. Eternal vigilance is the price we must pay for the charmed life you espouse.

No problem with that. I three gun and I still go to tactical retreats every year at almost 40.

 

[JSt0rm]

wooo000000ooooooshhhhhhHHH

That sound you hear is the entire concept -- that of an armed populace keeping its government in check through the ever-present chance of a well-armed revolution -- flying wayyyyyyyyy over JStorm's head.

Swiiiiiiiiiiiiiissshh

Well Armed? lol.

 

[nobodyknows]

but you wont work together. It would just be nutty pockets of wacko texas with hunting rifles and semi auto assault rifles with 100 round drum mags. Against what? Napalm? Predator drones? Fucking tanks? come on man. Get real.

You'd have to be stupid to stand toe to toe with and try to fight the army. There would be other more effective subversive tactics that small, dedicated groups of armed people could pull off.