New AFI Top 100 list

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: anxi80

Originally posted by: chuckywang
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a major oversight.

as great as it is and part of the reason why i think these lists are horsesh*t is because one of the main criteria's is that it has to be an american film. great, its the american film institute but i still think its damaging its credibility by omitting some great foreign films. if that wasn't the case im sure leone and kurosawa would be kicking ass all over this list.

I agree, but I have no beef with the AFI releasing their American-biased list (an extended qualifier of "Top 100 American films" would be nice...but I feel the implication is enough)

The international lists are always better, anyway. Raging Bull tends to be #1 (easily Scorsese's best, and well-deserved. Scorsese would have no problem that he tends to share that spot with 8 1/2, the Fellini fan that he is). Godfather is always up there, and Fellini, Kurosawa, Godard tend to get their standard top 10 nods. These are also voted on by critics and international commities.

Citizen Kane is generally top 5 too, and it's well-deserved (film has its own history, too)

 

[dainthomas]

Yay for FOTR! I think it's placed about right, as all the films above it are very deserving. I kind of wish they had grouped all the films as one. I though ROTK was a little better, and should be on the list somewhere.

 

[scrawnypaleguy]

Um, why is Toy Story on the list? And why is it ranked higher than Ben-hur?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: anxi80

Originally posted by: chuckywang
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a major oversight.

as great as it is and part of the reason why i think these lists are horsesh*t is because one of the main criteria's is that it has to be an american film. great, its the american film institute but i still think its severly limiting itself to some great foreign films. if that wasn't the case im sure leone and kurosawa would be kicking ass all over this list.

Lawrence of Arabia being an America production is a bit of a stretch to be honest

Well, Lawrence of Arabia was produced by Columbia.

Wasn't it an all british cast and a british director? At least that's waht I heard

Yep, but it's made by an American studio. David Lean did a lot of work for Columbia, and as long as American money is involved, they will always be considered American-made.

By your logic, "Star Wars" would almost be considered a UK picture. (Pinewood studios, anyone?)

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Raging bull going up +20 into the top 4 is bullsh1t. how can a movie that was top 20 10 years ago be suddenly among the top 5 american films of all time? having THAT much movement within the top is ridiculous, especially by a film that's already been listed. how did it magically get that muc hbetter in 10 years time

Alot of the things you posted I can agree with, however I think you are totally off on this one. The move up is a correction to the low placement of #24 this film was given.

1) This is Martin Scorcese's masterpiece. He is arguably America's greatest filmmaker and this work is his best.
2) This is the greatest performance of Robert DeNiro's career (with Taxi Driver). The best actor of his generation and arguably the greatest of all time. The transformation he makes to his body for this role is nothing short of incredible.
3) Joe Pesci and Cathy Moriarty give perfect perfomances as LaMotta's brother and wife.
4) The dialogue and interaction between Jake and Joey was priceless.
5) The way the film is shot in muted black and white gives the film a beautiful elegance that also conveys the depression and misery of LaMotta.

It didn't get magically better, it was always this good, the critics who vote just pulled their heads out of the arses and got it right this time.

:thumbsup:

not to mention that the improved ranking is more in line with the rest of the world.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: torpid
The searchers is finally up where it belongs. Arguably the best western ever made.

:thumbsup:

 

[scrawnypaleguy]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence

edit: Just saw they added Toy Story. While agree that that is a movie changed animation, i think as time progresses 'The Incredibles' will take its place. By far some the best work when it comes to animated films. within Pixar and outside of Pixar.

I don't get it. Toy Story made the list because it was the first to use computer animation for the whole film? That doesn't make it one of the best movies of all time! Team America: World Police was the first to use puppets for the whole film, you don't see that up there.

 

[foghorn67]

Ben Hur working it's way down? The Good the, the Bad and the Ugly off the list?
Major wtf people!

 

[Crazee]

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is not an American film so it was never on this list and never will be. The production company is Arturo González Producciones Cinematográficas.

This is the American Film Institute's list so they only do American produced films on their lists.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Crazee
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is not an American film so it was never on this list and never will be. The production company is Arturo González Producciones Cinematográficas.

This is the American Film Institute's list so they only do American produced films on their lists.

Okay, but Titanic above Ben Hur?

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Crazee
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is not an American film so it was never on this list and never will be. The production company is Arturo González Producciones Cinematográficas.

This is the American Film Institute's list so they only do American produced films on their lists.

Okay, but Titanic above Ben Hur?

Notice I didn't say anything about that

 

[torpid]

Toy Story made the list because it's a return to greatness for american animation. I don't think any subsequent pixar films were as good but in my opinion toy story is what brought back good animation in the US.

 

[Slick5150]

Oy do I hate lists like this. Movies are so subjective that there is no "best movie ever made". I'd say I've seen 90 of the top 100 on their list, and would agree with some, and disagree with some. Further, there's no way I could even make a list like this, because I can't compare my enjoyment with a movie like Star Wars to my enjoyment with a movie like Citizen Kane or Lawrence of Arabia. They're completely different and I enjoy them for different reasons, I can't compare whether one is better than the other.

 

[scrawnypaleguy]

Originally posted by: torpid
Toy Story made the list because it's a return to greatness for american animation. I don't think any subsequent pixar films were as good but in my opinion toy story is what brought back good animation in the US.

The Incredibles?

 

[DnetMHZ]

Originally posted by: jalaram
I'm recording it on the Replay right now. One thing that ticked me off was that GoodFellas was ranked lower than Sixth Sense and Titanic.

Those 2 movies even being on a top100 list at all completely discredits the list in my eyes.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: scrawnypaleguy

Originally posted by: torpid
Toy Story made the list because it's a return to greatness for american animation. I don't think any subsequent pixar films were as good but in my opinion toy story is what brought back good animation in the US.

The Incredibles?

Not as good. I liked finding nemo and the incredibles quite a bit, but nowhere near as much as toy story.

 

[BDawg]

Doctor Zhivago is a top 10 movie. It's a crime for it to be off the list.

E: And Sound of Music is wayyyyyyy too low.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Doctor Zhivago is a top 10 movie. It's a crime for it to be off the list.

E: And Sound of Music is wayyyyyyy too low.

yeah...no Dr. Zhivago; but Titanic and 6th Sense?

I think they are using Lawrence of Arabia to represent the entire Lean influence...

 

[Syrch]

umm i love movies and own quite a bit, check sig, but is anyone here going to buy half of these movies over new favorites? Whats the real point of this list, and im not starting a flame. Please educate me as this list makes no sense to me. Who is it being catered to?

 

[scrawnypaleguy]

old people.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: Syrch
umm i love movies and own quite a bit, check sig, but is anyone here going to buy half of these movies over new favorites? Whats the real point of this list, and im not starting a flame. Please educate me as this list makes no sense to me. Who is it being catered to?

I'd say it's catered to the movie watcher who either is already interested in classic film or wants to branch out from watching only modern movies. It's a convenient way of knowing what's regarded as "the best" and maybe from there you can find some others that you like, whether it be by the same actor, director, etc.

I used to collect DVDs, I still have about 350, but I stopped hoarding modern releases in lieu of collecting foreign and classic films...films that actually have depth and meaning and supplementary features worth going through. For some, like me, watching movies isn't just about enjoyment, it's about appreciation for the craft as well. I don't know as much as some people do, but watching, enjoying and analyzing movies is one of the most soothing activities I have.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: Syrch
umm i love movies and own quite a bit, check sig, but is anyone here going to buy half of these movies over new favorites? Whats the real point of this list, and im not starting a flame. Please educate me as this list makes no sense to me. Who is it being catered to?

I'd say it's catered to the movie watcher who either is already interested in classic film or wants to branch out from watching only modern movies. It's a convenient way of knowing what's regarded as "the best" and maybe from there you can find some others that you like, whether it be by the same actor, director, etc.

I used to collect DVDs, I still have about 350, but I stopped hoarding modern releases in lieu of collecting foreign and classic films...films that actually have depth and meaning and supplementary features worth going through. For some, like me, watching movies isn't just about enjoyment, it's about appreciation for the craft as well. I don't know as much as some people do, but watching, enjoying and analyzing movies is one of the most soothing activities I have.

:thumbsup:

This is a good list to start from if you are looking to rent a movie but nothing good is out. Rather than bringing home some crappy B movie you barely tolerate, work your way up or down this list. I think many people will like a good percentage of films on this list.

 

[Syrch]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: Syrch
umm i love movies and own quite a bit, check sig, but is anyone here going to buy half of these movies over new favorites? Whats the real point of this list, and im not starting a flame. Please educate me as this list makes no sense to me. Who is it being catered to?

I'd say it's catered to the movie watcher who either is already interested in classic film or wants to branch out from watching only modern movies. It's a convenient way of knowing what's regarded as "the best" and maybe from there you can find some others that you like, whether it be by the same actor, director, etc.

I used to collect DVDs, I still have about 350, but I stopped hoarding modern releases in lieu of collecting foreign and classic films...films that actually have depth and meaning and supplementary features worth going through. For some, like me, watching movies isn't just about enjoyment, it's about appreciation for the craft as well. I don't know as much as some people do, but watching, enjoying and analyzing movies is one of the most soothing activities I have.

I don't know. i do agree with you, i will analyze a film and give my opinions on it but at the same time if i can sit down and be entertained from the start of a movie until the end the movie is a winner. I may not have the top 100 movies on the AFI list but i can sit down and enjoy and relax to all the films in my collection.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Jmman
I don't care how many Oscars that Titanic won, it was about 2 hours and 59 minutes too long for my tastes.........

Better version of Titanic

Go back and watch Titanic again from a visuals point of view. In terms of realism, Titanic is one of the most beautiful VFX films ever produced. Even most films produced today on computers 100x as powerful with improved software are unable to match it. At the same time, the sets and costumes were superb, and James Horner's score was very well done. I agree that the love story is a bit sappy, but Titanic is anything but a terrible film.

 

[torpid]

wow, that wikipedia article has a list of films dropped. Some are totally crazy. Close Encounters, the Manchurian Candidate, The Third Man. Yikes.