Netanyuhu finally forced to lay his BS on the line.

[JEDIYoda]

I do not see an issue against the OP, nor any evidence since my joining this forum of Lemon Law being anti-semitic. That is a dishonest and forum disrupting charge when applied for the cause of a critique against the state of Israel. Criticising a government for it's actions may not equate to bigotry.

JohnofSheffield's post is a prime example of abusive trolling and reasoning for greater moderation in this forum.

In your opinion...
Earth to Whiskey16 you believe the same way Lemon law does!
For you to even back Lemon Law is to be lumped up with those like yourself and Lemon who are anti-semantic!

Your post is dishonest and misleading and it disrupts the forum when applied for the cause of a critique against the people who call themselves Palestinain having a state of their own.

I find JohnSheffield`s posts to be a prime example of truthfulness and honesty on these forums. JohnofShellield is not afraid to speak the truth on this subject. He calls it truthfully and is more than fair!!

Whiskey16 your post is a prime example of abusive trolling and the reasoning for greater moderation in this forum.

shalom

 

[JEDIYoda]

Son, i've listened to you defend the Taliban even after i told you about them and even after the news came out and the pictures of their handiwork and reports on how they treat young girls...

If there was any form of respect i had for you before that, it's long gone now. All i see is a man who is desperate to claim to be right even though he has to know he's wrong.

I'd pity you if you were worth it but you are not, you are just another fucking terrorist sympathizer and the sooner this world is rid of the likes of you, the better.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Personal threats on an internet forum, ain't cool.

Not a personal threat. Is English your second language by any chance? Serious question.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Oh, yes, LL, you are a terrorist sympathizer. Your posting history will bear that out, especially with regards to Palestine.

Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Lemon law]

The difference is that if someone in NATO were to pull what the Taliban does they would be subject to trial and punishment whereas the Taliban would approve. Terrorizing the populace when it's seen as a useful method of control is SOP.

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While Kyplebisme gave you one version of an answer, I choose to give you another. If you look at it from the eyes of the Afghan people.

Granted, the ruling at the time of 911 Taliban were rather vicious, but they rose to power simply because they were better than the very corrupt government consisting of warlords and drug dealers fighting over turf as a powerful few simply exploited the bulk of the 31 million strong Afghan population. When the Taliban came in, the Afghan people willing to play by Taliban rules at least received protection and governance from what before was total anarchy.

Then Nato came in with a can of whipass and once again destroyed all Afghan governance.
Had the Karzai replaced turned into that even better government to replace the Taliban, I would not be writing this. But sad to say, it was no better than the corrupt government the Taliban replaced. Maybe there is some democracy in Kabul, but it extends no more than 10 miles out of the Kabul. Meanwhile Afghan courts don't function except by bribes, the police and the army are thieves, And there is no way the Afghan people will buy that turd of a government.

Meanwhile Nato has far too few troops to control Afgahistan, but every once in a while so Nato poo-bah gets a wild hair up their butt to pick some given area and have a massive offensive. Forcing the civilians to flee their homes for months, while the Taliban melts away like smoke, at which point Nato comes in and trashes the place, declares it Taliban free, and as fast as the Nato troops leave, the Taliban comes back. After 10 years of Nato accomplishing nothing, yes the Afghan civilians prefer the rule of the Taliban to the anarchy and corruption of Nato. I have been pointing this out ever since I joined this forum, and saying Nato can't win in Afghanistan until Nato altered its policies. And stayed and built stable areas.

I have been roundly vilified for my stance, and lack of rah rah patriotism, but regardless if I shut up or not, Nato is now further from winning in Afghanistan than it was six years ago.

Meanwhile back in Israel, maybe this forum looks at the Israeli Palestinian conflict through only an Israeli viewpoint, but the the bulk of the rest of the world increasing favor a Palestinian State. As Bozo Netanyuhu credibility is now is at dead zero in the international community.

Nor are my views unique, many rational Jews in Israel are saying exactly the same things.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is there a dimes worth of difference between the Nazis and the present Israeli government as both demanded a total win when others like me envision a win win for both sides in mutual co-operation. The entire mideast has a common problem, a lack of water and the engineering to solve the problem. The Israeli idea that anything good for surrounding states is bad for Israel is dead end stinking thinking that is unsustainable for a Israeli State in the fullness of time.

As Hyabusa Rider pointed out -- "If you think there's a real equivalency between how NATO conducts itself and the Taliban there's not a lot of room for discussion. "
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[JohnOfSheffield]

Reports are always boring, you know that

What I'd like to know is how revealing and conclusive they are. I haven't gone through them.

None of them include anything exciting, you'll need our reports for the exciting stuff and even then it's far and in between but when it gets exciting it's exciting enough to last you a lifetime every time...

The really horrible things are put to evidence in Haag, i really wish i hadn't seen it, some of these things you just wonder why and those are not the worst, other things just break you, it's not something anyone should ever do or have to deal with.

The pure evil amongst some people ... after over 20 years, i still felt like i lost all hope in this world in a split second.

I can't explain it and even if i could i wouldn't, suffice to say, the only good taliban is a dead taliban.

 

[Lemon law]

As Hyabusa Rider pointed out -- "If you think there's a real equivalency between how NATO conducts itself and the Taliban there's not a lot of room for discussion. "
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I don't regard ole Hyabausa as a guru and I daresay, no world leader that I know of have even heard of either of us. Or JediY either.

Leaving the scientific test of any contention down to predicting actual events on the ground.

If Hayabusa Riders viewpoints are so spot on, why is not Nato winning in Afghanistan? Why did Saracosy of France call Netanyuhu a lying sack of shit? And what will be the long term consequences of Netanyuhu hypocrisy when he belated said, at the end of the Jordanian brokered talks, that Israel demands to keep the all disputed lands Israeli continues to settle on. Which absolutely does not square with the Netanyuhu position of desiring a Palestinian state as Netanyuhu propaganda has totally unraveled. As crazed Israeli settler parties go on rampages theft and vandalism while the world watches appalled.

But cheer up, JediY, surely JOS and Hayabusa Rider will save Israel! As Most of the EU, 2/3 of world nations, former Israeli allies such as Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt all vote with their feet to distance themselves from Israel.

 

[shira]

I don't regard ole Hyabausa as a guru and I daresay, no world leader that I know of have even heard of either of us. Or JediY either.

Leaving the scientific test of any contention down to predicting actual events on the ground.

If Hayabusa Riders viewpoints are so spot on, why is not Nato winning in Afghanistan? Why did Saracosy of France call Netanyuhu a lying sack of shit? And what will be the long term consequences of Netanyuhu hypocrisy when he belated said, at the end of the Jordanian brokered talks, that Israel demands to keep the all disputed lands Israeli continues to settle on. Which absolutely does not square with the Netanyuhu position of desiring a Palestinian state as Netanyuhu propaganda has totally unraveled. As crazed Israeli settler parties go on rampages theft and vandalism while the world watches appalled.

But cheer up, JediY, surely JOS and Hayabusa Rider will save Israel! As Most of the EU, 2/3 of world nations, former Israeli allies such as Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt all vote with their feet to distance themselves from Israel.

I'm still waiting for your learned analysis as to why you think the differences between the Nazis and the current Israeli government are so small as to be insignificant.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If Hayabusa Riders viewpoints are so spot on, why is not Nato winning in Afghanistan?

Winning and being savages aren't the same thing. If we used the same tactics that the Taliban has employed then this discussion wouldn't have ever occurred because the headlines would be full of daily atrocities and lots of them. NATO doesn't employ terrorism as a standard procedure. You will have a hard time demonstrating otherwise.

 

[woolfe9999]

I've found the opposite, trials seem to the exception rather than the rule, and convictions with fitting punishments a tiny fraction of that. Heck, we've even had a forum member recently brag of killing people in Afghanistan for "shits and giggles".

He clearly stated in later posts that he was talking about Taliban who had been shooting at him. But you knew that very well when you decided to just quote the one post and let it lie at "people in Afghanistan."

 

[JEDIYoda]

He clearly stated in later posts that he was talking about Taliban who had been shooting at him. But you knew that very well when you decided to just quote the one post and let it lie at "people in Afghanistan."

What Kylebisme did falls under the heading og Intellectual Dishonesty!! But he does that all the time..

 

[Lemon law]

I'm still waiting for your learned analysis as to why you think the differences between the Nazis and the current Israeli government are so small as to be insignificant.

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If you were a Palestinian, you would not be asking the question?

After all, America had to fight a giant civil war over that exact question, is the son or daughter of slave born in America doomed to perceptual slavery or is such a child born with the same human rights as any one else in America?

If you support Israel in its giant land thefts against Palestinians, how as an American can I trust you to not import similar denial of my or anyone else human right on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Or should we say, if your parent are republicans, or democrats, or even convicted criminals their guilt means you should have no human rights?

We have to understand almost every Palestinian now trapped in Gaza and the West Bank used to be land owners, or the descendents of land owners in the former British British mandate of Palestine. Yes some Palestinians joined the Arabs but only a fractions of them. But by the Israeli doctrine of common guilt, they were all disenfranchised without due process of law.

I live and breathe my American principles, which is more than I can say about most Israeli fan clubbers who apply selective principles of political standards no true American can trust.

Which is not to say I believe all Israelis should be driven into the sea as the alternative, because the win win is finding ways to share the Holy land of Israel with all men and women on the basis of equal rights. As it is, Israel holds 30% of its population in defacto slavery and inhumane conditions on only the principle of religious supercity. .

 

[shira]

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If you were a Palestinian, you would not be asking the question?

After all, America had to fight a giant civil war over that exact question, is the son or daughter of slave born in America doomed to perceptual slavery or is such a child born with the same human rights as any one else in America?

If you support Israel in its giant land thefts against Palestinians, how as an American can I trust you to not import similar denial of my or anyone else human right on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Or should we say, if your parent are republicans, or democrats, or even convicted criminals their guilt means you should have no human rights?

We have to understand almost every Palestinian now trapped in Gaza and the West Bank used to be land owners, or the descendents of land owners in the former British British mandate of Palestine. Yes some Palestinians joined the Arabs but only a fractions of them. But by the Israeli doctrine of common guilt, they were all disenfranchised without due process of law.

I live and breathe my American principles, which is more than I can say about most Israeli fan clubbers who apply selective principles of political standards no true American can trust.

Which is not to say I believe all Israelis should be driven into the sea as the alternative, because the win win is finding ways to share the Holy land of Israel with all men and women on the basis of equal rights. As it is, Israel holds 30% of its population in defacto slavery and inhumane conditions on only the principle of religious supercity. .

So your point is that any government that denies one or more important human rights to a group of people is indistinguishable from the Nazis?

 

[Abwx]

Son, i've listened to you defend the Taliban even after i told you about them and even after the news came out and the pictures of their handiwork and reports on how they treat young girls...

And what about the way the US treat young girls ???...

Yeah , it was to bring them freedom...

 

[Abwx]

I can't explain it and even if i could i wouldn't, suffice to say, the only good taliban is a dead taliban.

It easy to explain, you are simply a racist....

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And what about the way the US treat young girls ???...

Yeah , it was to bring them freedom...

I'm not American, i'm English and while we were first boots on gound we didn't have to fire a single shot.

If you have a problem with the US forces, you should take it up with them, i am NOT a part of their idiocy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It easy to explain, you are simply a racist....

I may be many things but a racist is not one of them.

If you knew anything about me you'd know that.

But you don't so you assume, a lot of things, all of which makes you misinformed.

I'm not against the Taliban because they are mostly a mix of Indians and Arabs, i am against them because of what they stand for, to me it is unacceptable in every single way, i don't think you understand this at all, but i'm a father of a daughter who has a daughter, if anyone would do anything wrong against them i'd kill them because in this world, real men don't hurt women, only pussy Talibans and other assorted idiots do and the lot of them need to die

Preferred method is neck stab, they won't even feel the blade penetrating the base of the neck, they are dead before their heartbeat stops. I prefer it, not really fair considering that their methods involve a lot of pain but i'm better than them in every single way.

 

[Abwx]

I'm not American, i'm English and while we were first boots on gound we didn't have to fire a single shot.

If you have a problem with the US forces, you should take it up with them, i am NOT a part of their idiocy.

Despite massive use of slavery and genocide of the indians ,
surely that the US has not built her prosperity with so much
murders and humanity exploitation as the UK , although
they are on the "good" road to tie them...

Before branding the Talibans as savages remember that
the evil they did is so few compared to all the lootings
that your country did and is still waging theses days....

 

[Abwx]

I may be many things but a racist is not one of them.

If you knew anything about me you'd know that.

But you don't so you assume, a lot of things, all of which makes you misinformed.

I'm not against the Taliban because they are mostly a mix of Indians and Arabs, i am against them because of what they stand for, to me it is unacceptable in every single way, i don't think you understand this at all, but i'm a father of a daughter who has a daughter, if anyone would do anything wrong against them i'd kill them because in this world, real men don't hurt women, only pussy Talibans and other assorted idiots do and the lot of them need to die

Preferred method is neck stab, they won't even feel the blade penetrating the base of the neck, they are dead before their heartbeat stops. I prefer it, not really fair considering that their methods involve a lot of pain but i'm better than them in every single way.

You re reacting emotionnaly...

Never the Talibans will make suffer as much women as
the UK did in all her colonial adventures.

The difference is that currently most if not all of the witnesses
are dead , but surely that your country did create much more sufferings
in a hundreds years timeline that almost any other western country
if we except France wich has also a sinister record on that matter....

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Despite massive use of slavery and genocide of the indians ,
surely that the US has not built her prosperity with so much
murders and humanity exploitation as the UK , although
they are on the "good" road to tie them...

Before branding the Talibans as savages remember that
the evil they did is so few compared to all the lootings
that your country did and is still waging theses days....

Suck my fucking balls you retarded piece of shit.

No one defends the Taliban or even get to compare them with modern democratic armed forces, i don't know where you are but believe you me, you are not safe.

No terrorist sympathizer ever is.

 

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[Abwx]

Lol , insults as the sole answer...
Your racism just showed up , you just dont realize it...

Whoever do not agree with you must be insulted..??.

Whose the sucker , poor fool ?..

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You re reacting emotionnaly...

Never the Talibans will make suffer as much women as
the UK did in all her colonial adventures.

The difference is that currently most if not all of the witnesses
are dead , but surely that your country did create much more sufferings
in a hundreds years timeline that almost any other western country
if we except France wich has also a sinister record on that matter....

So all those of who you speak are long dead and you want to give the Taliban an opportunity to catch up.

 

[Abwx]

Fuck the Palestinians. If they disappeared today, no one would miss them tomorrow.

It s people like you that are useless in this world and will
not be missed..