Netanyahu: No war crimes trials for Israelis

JEDIYoda

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I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

On a side note what is disproportionate force in a war?? You play to win.....you don`t play to draw...lol


By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press Writer ? 21 mins ago

JERUSALEM ? Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday vowed never to allow Israeli leaders or soldiers to stand trial on war crimes charges over their actions during last winter's military offensive in the Gaza Strip, furiously denouncing a U.N. report in a keynote address to parliament.

Netanyahu's fiery rhetoric ? and his decision to open the high-profile speech with remarks on the report ? reflected the deep distress felt among Israeli leaders after a U.N. commission accused Israel of intentionally harming civilians when it launched a massive attack in Gaza to stop years of rocket fire.

"This distorted report, written by this distorted committee, undermines Israel's right to defend itself. This report encourages terrorism and threatens peace," Netanyahu said in his address at the opening of parliament's winter session. "Israel will not take risks for peace if it can't defend itself."

The U.N. report, compiled by a team led by former war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone, accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. It specifically accused Israel of using disproportionate force, deliberately targeting civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, and using people as human shields. It accused Hamas of deliberately targeting civilians and trying to spread terror through its rocket attacks.

Israeli officials across the board have condemned the report, saying their country had little choice but to take harsh action against militants who were terrorizing southern Israel. They also blame Hamas for civilian casualties, saying the Islamic militant group took cover in residential areas during the fighting. However, Goldstone's strong credentials as a respected South African jurist, his Jewish faith and past support for Israeli causes have made it hard for Israel to dismiss the claims.

Netanyahu angrily noted the report's portrayal of Israeli leaders as war criminals. "The truth is exactly the opposite. Israel's leaders and its army are those who defended the citizens of Israel from war criminals," he said, before vowing to defend the country's wartime leaders.

"We will not allow Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak, who sent our sons to war, to arrive at the international court in the Hague," he said.


While Netanyahu has repeatedly lashed out at the U.N. report, Monday's comments appeared to be a direct response to a new Palestinian push for a vote on the report in the U.N.'s Human Rights Council. If the vote takes place, the matter could be referred to higher U.N. bodies that could theoretically push for war-crimes prosecution.

Earlier this month, Abbas' government had agreed to delay the vote for six months. That decision, which came under heavy U.S. pressure, sparked sharp criticism and protests across Palestinian society, particularly from the rival Hamas government in the Gaza Strip.

U.N. spokeswoman Michele Montas said Monday that Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon spoke with Abbas on Sunday about the matter and said he would support Abbas' proposal to reopen discussion of the Goldstone report at the Human Rights Council in Geneva.

In contrast to predecessors who have used parliamentary addresses to speak of bold visions of peace, Netanyahu spoke in far bleaker terms. He focused on past Jewish suffering and criticized the futility of previous peace efforts, blaming Arab adversaries for their failure.
"The right to a Jewish state and the right to self-defense are two of the existential rights of our people," he said. "These basic rights of the Jewish people have been under greatly increasing attack. ... Our prime mission is to stave off this attack."

President Barack Obama has been trying to persuade the Israelis and Palestinians to restart peace talks, which broke down late last year. Even after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, he faces a daunting challenge in just getting the sides to talk, let alone in solving one of the world's longest lasting and most intractable conflicts.

The Palestinians say they will not resume negotiations until Israel freezes all construction in Jewish settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem ? areas they claim as parts of a future independent state.

Netanyahu says some settlement construction must continue to accommodate growth in the Jewish populations. He also says all of Jerusalem will remain in Israeli hands, although Israel's annexation of the eastern part of the city and its sensitive holy sites has never been internationally recognized.

Netanyahu, for his part, has demanded the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state ? a demand the Palestinians criticize as upping the ante from previous negotiations. The Palestinians say it would discriminate against Israel's Arab minority and deprive Palestinian refugees of their rights to lost properties in what is now Israel.

"For 62 years, the Palestinians have been saying 'No' to the Jewish state. I am once again calling upon our Palestinian neighbors; say 'Yes' to the Jewish state." he said. "Without recognition of Israel as the state of the Jews we shall not be able to attain peace."

(This version CORRECTS name to Human Rights Council).)
 

Lemon law

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There are international standards of conduct regarding war, no use of poison gas, no use of white Prosperous in populated areas, no collective punishment, no targeting civilians, its all codified, Israel signed on, and all Netanyihu is saying is that Israelis are special and above all standards of conduct.

Its called thinking you can get away with murder, a common belief among all criminals. Insert justification, I needed the money so I robbed a bank, I need a place to live so I simply deported the former occupant, I am special and above the law, yada yada. Simple arrogance in the extreme.

Maybe Netanyuhu will be happier if he gets to share an adjacent cell with an also extradited Hamas terrorists who also feel they are above the law and special. They can spend many a happy hour comparing stinking justifications for killing people and brutalizing their fellow man.
 

theflyingpig

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The Israelis have committed no crimes. They are simply defending themselves against an enemy who uses unconventional tactics. In order to defeat an enemy like that you must also resort to unconventional tactics. It's that simple. Everyone knows this.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Israelis have committed no crimes. They are simply defending themselves against an enemy who uses unconventional tactics. In order to defeat an enemy like that you must also resort to unconventional tactics. It's that simple. Everyone knows this.
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Funny, the Petersen report compiled by multiple experts disagrees based on real and compelling
evidence. And theflyingpig has only an uninformed opinion.

Once again, not everyone agrees that everyone knows this because those that are informed do not make their judgments lightly.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
There are international standards of conduct regarding war, no use of poison gas, no use of white Prosperous in populated areas, no collective punishment, no targeting civilians, its all codified, Israel signed on, and all Netanyihu is saying is that Israelis are special and above all standards of conduct.

Its called thinking you can get away with murder, a common belief among all criminals. Insert justification, I needed the money so I robbed a bank, I need a place to live so I simply deported the former occupant, I am special and above the law, yada yada. Simple arrogance in the extreme.

Maybe Netanyuhu will be happier if he gets to share an adjacent cell with an also extradited Hamas terrorists who also feel they are above the law and special. They can spend many a happy hour comparing stinking justifications for killing people and brutalizing their fellow man.

As usual your particular brand of bull shit comes at the cost of a nations right to defend itself in whatever manner it chooses. The Isrtaeli`s need no justification for defending there country and their people.

Shalom!!
 

theflyingpig

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Israelis have committed no crimes. They are simply defending themselves against an enemy who uses unconventional tactics. In order to defeat an enemy like that you must also resort to unconventional tactics. It's that simple. Everyone knows this.
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Funny, the Petersen report compiled by multiple experts disagrees based on real and compelling
evidence. And theflyingpig has only an uninformed opinion.

Once again, not everyone agrees that everyone knows this because those that are informed do not make their judgments lightly.

Prove that what I have said is wrong. You can't. The facts which I have stated cannot be denied.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

As usual your particular brand of bull shit comes at the cost of a nations right to defend itself in whatever manner it chooses. The Isrtaeli`s need no justification for defending there country and their people.

Shalom!!

SHOLAM!!!1

Any Nation!! Should have the RIGHt to DEFEND ITselF in WAHTEVER mennear it chooses!!1

The Isrtaeli's and the Irenians need no justification for defending there country and there people!!1 (!!!!1).!
 

Jaskalas

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Israel should surrender for war crimes as soon as its Muslim neighbors do the same.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Israel should surrender for war crimes as soon as its Muslim neighbors do the same.

...and you'll be completely impartial with regard to the prosecution of said war-crimes under international law? I'm asking, because I have a sneaking suspicion that jokers like you will be doing the clown dance of obfuscations and excuses when hammer hits.
 

Lemon law

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Well if any nation has the right to defend itself, surely that applies to terrorists and Palestinians who are equally justified. Just wait for that day when terrorists acquire the means to deliver totally illegal chemical and biological weapons into Israel. Sad to say, that day is fast approaching. Iran probably already has that capacity and is not using it, if Israel bombs Iran, would Iran then have that right to use such illegal weapons against Israel?

And if Israel is above the law, why should not Iran be?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well if any nation has the right to defend itself, surely that applies to terrorists and Palestinians who are equally justified. Just wait for that day when terrorists acquire the means to deliver totally illegal chemical and biological weapons into Israel. Sad to say, that day is fast approaching. Iran probably already has that capacity and is not using it, if Israel bombs Iran, would Iran then have that right to use such illegal weapons against Israel?

And if Israel is above the law, why should not Iran be?

Israelis are the chosen ones... Different rules apply for Israel than their neighbors.

 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

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Just curious: Is agreeing 100%!!! more than 100%!! or 100%!?

Would agreeing 99%!!!!!!!! be more than 100%!?

Thanks in advance for your careful consideration!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

...
Just curious: Is agreeing 100%!!! more than 100%!! or 100%!?

Would agreeing 99%!!!!!!!! be more than 100%!?

Thanks in advance for your careful consideration!

Did you have something to say about the article or were you just being a fucking idiot??
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

...
Just curious: Is agreeing 100%!!! more than 100%!! or 100%!?

Would agreeing 99%!!!!!!!! be more than 100%!?

Thanks in advance for your careful consideration!

Did you have something to say about the article or were you just being a fucking idiot??
Just curious: Is a sentence ending with two question marks more questionable than a sentence with just one? What about one with three question marks? At what point does it becomes an exclamatory interrogative?

Answers to these questions would be very helpful in deciphering your posts.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

...
Just curious: Is agreeing 100%!!! more than 100%!! or 100%!?

Would agreeing 99%!!!!!!!! be more than 100%!?

Thanks in advance for your careful consideration!

Did you have something to say about the article or were you just being a fucking idiot??
Just curious: Is a sentence ending with two question marks more questionable than a sentence with just one? What about one with three question marks? At what point does it becomes an exclamatory interrogative?

Answers to these questions would be very helpful in deciphering your posts.

so your being a fucking idiot..
Nobody died and appointed you grammar policeman!
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

As usual your particular brand of bull shit comes at the cost of a nations right to defend itself in whatever manner it chooses. The Isrtaeli`s need no justification for defending there country and their people.

Shalom!!

This is a pretty awful line of reasoning. So if the Israelis decide in order to defend themselves, they need to irradiate all Palestinian civilian centers, they shouldn't be questioned because it's the "manner it chooses" to defend itself? War crimes are war crimes, period.
 

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totaqlly agree with Netanyahu..100%!!!

On a side note what is disproportionate force in a war?? You play to win.....you don`t play to draw...lol

What do you expect to win, the Hitler Prize for extermination? You laugh out loud? You are as sick as the shameless leader you support. The heinous acts committed by Israel during its last excursion into the Gaza Strip are comparable to the worst war crimes committed in human history. Bombarding civilian areas is not war.

IDF propaganda at its worst.

 

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Hah I love Netanyau. He is like Israel's Reagan, and he drives the anti-semites and liberals bonkers.
 

Red Irish

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Hah I love Netanyau. He is like Israel's Reagan, and he drives the anti-semites and liberals bonkers.

He doesn't do much for people who place value on human life either.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Hah I love Netanyau. He is like Israel's Reagan, and he drives the anti-semites and liberals bonkers.

That would be Sharon, not Netanyahu. Netanyahu is a Sharon-wannabe. But even Sharon, at his advanced age, was able to see the errors of his ways. I guess we should give Netanyahu another 20 years. BTW, what happened to Sharon? Is he still in a coma?
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Hah I love Netanyau. He is like Israel's Reagan, and he drives the anti-semites and liberals bonkers.

He doesn't do much for people who place value on human life either.

Those who are weak and prolong war must not place value on human life either.

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."

"War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over."
-William Tecumseh Sherman
 

Red Irish

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Hah I love Netanyau. He is like Israel's Reagan, and he drives the anti-semites and liberals bonkers.

He doesn't do much for people who place value on human life either.

Those who are weak and prolong war must not place value on human life either.

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."

"War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over."
-William Tecumseh Sherman

Who are you referring to, the women and children killed in their own homes? Netanyahu's entire diatribe can be summed up as follows: Fuck Off World, We Do What We Want.

Sadly, at the time of writing, he is entirely correct.

However, anyone who turned on a television set and witnessed the shelling of urban areas within the Gaza Strip during Israel's last campaign can have no doubt that war crimes were indeed committed. Whilst you choose to wave triumphal flags and criticise what you variously describe as unfounded accusations and anti-Semitism, I condemn you for supporting crimes against humanity. Hopefully, the international community is as tired of Israel's attitude as I am and something will eventually be done to stop the expansion of the illegal housing and the unwarranted slaughter of civilians.