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[dmcowen674]

9-17-2004 GOP Mailing Warns Liberals Will Ban Bibles

Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November.

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

The mailing tells West Virginians to "vote Republican to protect our families" and defeat the "liberal agenda."

Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said Friday that he wasn't aware of the mailing, but said it could be the work of the RNC. "It wouldn't surprise me if we were mailing voters on the issue of same-sex marriage," Gillespie said

Gillespie said same-sex marriage is a legitimate issue in the election.

"There is a line drawn in America today," one ad says. "On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

"Are you on their side of the line?" the ad asks before making the plea to "support conservative Republican candidates."

Jim Jordan, a spokesman for American Coming Together, described the mailing as "standard-issue Republican hate-mongering."

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Gillespie said same-sex marriage is a legitimate issue in the election.

"There is a line drawn in America today," one ad says. "On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

As usual, you highlight the appeal to emotion in the article and leave out the brunt of it. ^^^ This is what is important. This is the issue at hand.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
As usual, you highlight the appeal to emotion in the article and leave out the brunt of it. ^^^ This is what is important. This is the issue at hand.

Thank you for backing up my point, brainwashed have NO emotion.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

"On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

are you saying that this is false?

yes, anyone who disagrees with dmcowen has no emotion and is brainwashed.

duh.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
As usual, you highlight the appeal to emotion in the article and leave out the brunt of it. ^^^ This is what is important. This is the issue at hand.

Thank you for backing up my point, brainwashed have NO emotion.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you has no emotion and is brainwashed.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
As usual, you highlight the appeal to emotion in the article and leave out the brunt of it. ^^^ This is what is important. This is the issue at hand.

Thank you for backing up my point, brainwashed have NO emotion.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you has no emotion and is brainwashed.

Then, call me as one with no emotion and brainwashed. I hate to say it, but maybe I don't have emotion, but I have a hell of a lot of passion.

Passion for the USA ... and not trying to put our country down like the Libs would make you think.

Passion to make it better.

Passion to take out terrorists.

Liberals ... on the other hand only have one passion. A passion to negate the progress of the conservative party - even though our country is kick a$$ and a better place because of the conservative party.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
9-17-2004 GOP Mailing Warns Liberals Will Ban Bibles

Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November.

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

The mailing tells West Virginians to "vote Republican to protect our families" and defeat the "liberal agenda."

Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said Friday that he wasn't aware of the mailing, but said it could be the work of the RNC. "It wouldn't surprise me if we were mailing voters on the issue of same-sex marriage," Gillespie said

Gillespie said same-sex marriage is a legitimate issue in the election.

"There is a line drawn in America today," one ad says. "On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

"Are you on their side of the line?" the ad asks before making the plea to "support conservative Republican candidates."

Jim Jordan, a spokesman for American Coming Together, described the mailing as "standard-issue Republican hate-mongering."

I find it kind of funny that such a campaign would be directed towards the citizens of West Virginia. Heck, I'm sure plenty of them are quite apposed to gay marriages.

Have you ever been to West Virginia, Mr. McOwen?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
our country is kick a$$ and a better place because of the conservative party.

Oh really? How so? Tell me in detail why the US is a better place right now under Bush's rule than it was 4 years ago under Clinton. I want to hear this.

 

[DealMonkey]

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

West Virginia, you say? The RNC would have been better off with an image of two inbred buck-tooth cousins marrying with the word "BANNED" across it. That would have horrified the conservative populace.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
our country is kick a$$ and a better place because of the conservative party.

Oh really? How so? Tell me in detail why the US is a better place right now under Bush's rule than it was 4 years ago under Clinton. I want to hear this.

Well, we certainly have a lot more going for us at this time in the area of:

- Intelligence
- Military spending

Knock Bush all you want. At least he wasn't getting "Monicas" in the oval office. The economy is cyclical. It will not always be up. However, we have to through the slow times and the good times do return.

In regards to employment, a boatload (no pun intended) of jobs have been offshored. However, all of this started long ago - and can't be completely attributed to the current administration.

I don't look at the glass as being half empty - like most Libs like to do.

 

[ntdz]

a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

I don't see whats wrong w/ this, its totally true...They are for gay marriage...

 

[glenn1]

Has the RNC either confirmed or denied sending this mailing? Sounds like a pretty odd thing for them to send, and a return address showing the RNC isn't proof they mailed it.

If they did however, it was in extremely poor taste and will hopefully backfire on them (if karma cooperates).

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
our country is kick a$$ and a better place because of the conservative party.

Oh really? How so? Tell me in detail why the US is a better place right now under Bush's rule than it was 4 years ago under Clinton. I want to hear this.

Well, we certainly have a lot more going for us at this time in the area of:

- Intelligence
- Military spending

Knock Bush all you want. At least he wasn't getting "Monicas" in the oval office. The economy is cyclical. It will not always be up. However, we have to through the slow times and the good times do return.

In regards to employment, a boatload (no pun intended) of jobs have been offshored. However, all of this started long ago - and can't be completely attributed to the current administration.

I don't look at the glass as being half empty - like most Libs like to do.

So the fact that your government cut taxes while increasing spending had nothing to do with it? Your country is going bankrupt. Do you not believe that your nation's president should at the very least understand basic economics?

If you lost your job tomorrow, I'm certain you wouldn't run out and purchase a Ferarri.

Monica is irrelevant, just like the swift boat and Bush's war service are irrelevant. I still fail to see why the American public sees these sorts of things as major election issues.

 

[SickBeast]

Just by the way, the Canadian economy is massively tied to that of the US, but we are experiencing budget surpluses every year whereas you guys are running massive defecits. Our economy is as strong as it has ever been. To say that the economy is cyclical and not blame Bush even somewhat for the current economic situation is pretty silly IMO.

 

[cmp1223]

"There is a line drawn in America today," one ad says. "On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. [/b]

Thats funny, i always thought that every man was created equal and that every man is equal under the law were traditional values.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Knock Bush all you want. At least he wasn't getting "Monicas" in the oval office. The economy is cyclical. It will not always be up. However, we have to through the slow times and the good times do return.


I don't look at the glass as being half empty - like most Libs like to do.

Maybe if Bush had used his time getting "Monicas" in the Oval Office we wouldn't be in the mess we are in in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere. Certainly would have been a better use of his time than what he did spend it on:disgust:

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I guarantee you that in the next 50 years gay marriages will be legalized in this country.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I guarantee you that in the next 50 years gay marriages will be legalized in this country.

And, as a Conservative, I really don't care. I can't believe it was even an issue this year. Also, I really don't care how religious Bush is. I don't like for it to invade politics, but Bush is just a bit more open about his religion than Kerry is.

I don't mind if Bush (or Kerry for that matter) has to say a little prayer while we're on our way to kick the a$$ of another country that has been harboring terrorists, WMD or anything like that.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ntdz

a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

I don't see whats wrong w/ this, its totally true...They are for gay marriage...

It's sensationalist propaganda that is designed to appeal to these people, thus causing them to base their vote on an issue that many see as irrelevant to the proper functionning of the nation.

I would bet that every single deeply religious person who reads that type of trash would vote Republican based on that single issue.

Many Americans seem to care waaaay too much about what other people do in their lives and what their personal beliefs are.

 

[SickBeast]

I actually asked someone opposed to gay marriage this very question:

"How does it affect you in your own personal life if two guys somewhere run out and get married?"

He paused for quite awhile, and it appeared for a moment that he did not have an answer.

When he finally did reply, he basically said "I don't want my children to live in a society where this type of thing takes place". He went on to state that "the only reasons gay people want to be allowed to get married are strictly monetary". This is complete and utter bull$hit. Ask any gay person, and they will tell you that all that they want is to be treated equally. He has no right to control what others do in their personal lives based on his own personal ideologies.

The irony in it all is that people voting for the Republicans are typically against socialism. By giving marriage-related benefits only to straight couples using money collected from both gay and straight people, is our current system not a form of socialsm? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does not seem fair in the least.

 

[Jhhnn]

Be sure to gloss over and/or completely ignore the Bible-banning part of the message, guys- wouldn't want to talk about that kind of FUD, would we?

Either West Virginians are the kind of inbred hicks that some would represent them to be, or the Republicans are vastly underestimating the collective intellect of the whole state...

Every West Virginian should consider the whole thing to be an insult to their intelligence...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Be sure to gloss over and/or completely ignore the Bible-banning part of the message, guys- wouldn't want to talk about that kind of FUD, would we?

Either West Virginians are the kind of inbred hicks that some would represent them to be, or the Republicans are vastly underestimating the collective intellect of the whole state...

Every West Virginian should consider the whole thing to be an insult to their intelligence...

Small minded people always feel under attack. Everywhere you turn there's reality. It keeps intruding on our small minded dreams. And the smaller the mind the bigger the defense.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Knock Bush all you want. At least he wasn't getting "Monicas" in the oval office.

The economy is cyclical.

I'd take a hundred "Monica's" over the crap that the Dub has done.

Huge difference between cyclical and in the dump for an entire time under one Administration.


Notice how we're no longer hearing from the Fearless Liar that the Recession ended after only 4 months.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED."

West Virginia, you say? The RNC would have been better off with an image of two inbred buck-tooth cousins marrying with the word "BANNED" across it. That would have horrified the conservative populace.

Read your post and realize why WV won't vote in line with you. You've obviously never been to WV - they're probably the nicest people I've met anywhere in the country. Your stereotypes show how petty and bigoted you really are. :/

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I actually asked someone opposed to gay marriage this very question:

"How does it affect you in your own personal life if two guys somewhere run out and get married?"

He paused for quite awhile, and it appeared for a moment that he did not have an answer.

When he finally did reply, he basically said "I don't want my children to live in a society where this type of thing takes place". He went on to state that "the only reasons gay people want to be allowed to get married are strictly monetary". This is complete and utter bull$hit. Ask any gay person, and they will tell you that all that they want is to be treated equally. He has no right to control what others do in their personal lives based on his own personal ideologies.

The irony in it all is that people voting for the Republicans are typically against socialism. By giving marriage-related benefits only to straight couples using money collected from both gay and straight people, is our current system not a form of socialsm? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does not seem fair in the least.

It influences my daily life because I'm paying out of pocket to support an institution (gay marriage) that contributes nothing to society. Heterosexual married couples CAN give something back to society - additional tax payers. The second you find a homosexual couple that conceives within their marriage is the moment I'll change my mind.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

"On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

are you saying that this is false?

I'm saying that the issue isn't clear cut, nor can all of those issues be lumped together. I for one think the institution of marriage has been a joke for decades, and that the government needs to take back its role as a secular authority and endorse civil unions between two consenting adults, not marriages.

Partial birth abortion is abhorrent and a blight upon our nation.

God was put into the PoA in the 50s and while I have no problem saying it people continue to use it to somehow prove that America was founded as a Christian nation and thus should follow Christian principles to the detriment or exclusion of other religions or belief systems.

People flock to Hollywood and idolize celebrities, it is as much the fault of the average American as it is Hollywood's. You would also think that they wouldn't make such a statement considering their recent poster-boy for blind partisan voting.