Neil deGrasse Tyson reboots Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"

[darkswordsman17]

Well Cosmos got a 2.9 rating across all of Fox's channels, which is 8.5 million viewers. I'm not sure how to take that. Even the addition of the simulcast puts it at the #2 show for that time slot, below a show about dead people coming back to life...

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[Jeff7]

Well Cosmos got a 2.9 rating across all of Fox's channels, which is 8.5 million viewers. I'm not sure how to take that. Even the addition of the simulcast puts it at the #2 show for that time slot, below a show about dead people coming back to life...

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(Sorry, no TV. :\)

 

[Printer Bandit]

that premiere was cancellation worthy....sorry to say.


stuff like this should not be on cable tv....instead netflix or amazon prime.

 

[ViRGE]

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(Sorry, no TV. :\)

A new show on ABC called Resurrection. "Resurrection is an American fantasy drama television series about dead people who return to life"

 

[UglyCasanova]

that premiere was cancellation worthy....sorry to say.


stuff like this should not be on cable tv....instead netflix or amazon prime.

PBS or BBC. Both make top notch science documentaries.

 

[norseamd]

This isn't distortion of facts and whitewashing it to ignore would actually detract from the lesson. In fact, they actually sanitized it compared to what really happened so as to make it less about the Church's evils (which if you actually know history, the church did straight up evil Nazi level shit), plus, you seem to ignore how it wasn't just the Church (actually churches which you ignore as well), even Oxford, one of the most renowned institutions of learning in the world, he got the same treatment. They don't even idolize the guy, they point out that he was a victim of his own flaws, which were actually religious focused (he was in fact arguing religious theology). They even straight up say he wasn't even a scientist and really isn't a scientific figure. But, he played an important role because he questioned things and his ideas opened things for others later. He was just a normal guy with a guess, but eventually he was shown to be right. That whole part served as a lesson for understanding the basis of science. Question, or make a guess, and then test it. But, like they point out, he had not the tools to be able to investigate it, but that changed. Later people were able to, and they got similar treatment from religion, but as science, and our ability to support and prove our theories grew, people changed. That is the greater point, ideas can change as our ability to understand and study them change.

great fact

the inquesition did not have the authority to perform executions. that would likely include both public and private executions. if someone was deemed worthy of execution they were handed over to the civil authorities. however if someone died while being interrogated they were deemed to not have been able to survive the interrogation and that was it.

 

[TwiceOver]

Hrm, wasn't very good IMO. Maybe the next few episodes will be more interesting.

 

[disappoint]

And don't forget the special relativity part of it: The stronger the gravitational field is, the slower time gets.
The satellites are farther from Earth than we are, so their clocks run a little faster because of that.
The special and general effects don't perfectly balance though. If I'm remembering correctly, the high speed's effect is greater.

You've got it backwards. General relativity covers time dilation due to changes in gravitational potential. Special relativity covers kinetic time dilation.

As for which one has a greater effect it depends on a number of factors including the altitude, direction (east or west), and the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment

*Provided the unladen swallow can carry an HP 5061A Cesium beam atomic clock.(it was a big swallow)**

**that's what she said.

 

[disappoint]

Speaking of what she said. "Cosmos" reminds me of what she said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sITzQkfx9E

Fluttermoth by Autumn's Grey Solace

Slipping on the soppy
Ground beneath me
Like a fly
Trying not to die
In water
Over the muddy
Rocks beneath me
I will try
To rise above
In stride
Did you, did you
Did you see that?
Did you, did you
Did you see that?
Flying away in the sky

Circles up in the mountains
Flying high heroes
Fortresses up in the mountains
We will have to go
Together

What are we heading for?

Over a restless
Leafy mess
I will rise
To twirl inside
My cape
Off and away
Off to escape
Like a moth
Fluttering off
In the day
Did you, did you
Did you see me?
Did you, did you
Did you see me?
Flying away in the sky

Circles up in the mountains
Flying high heroes
Fortresses up in the mountains
We will have to go
Together

What are we heading for?

None of this will matter
If we all fall to shatter...

 

[Alienwho]

I'm a sucker for these kinds of shows but I did have a few "...really Neil, you just said that?" moments.

One of them being when he was introducing Copernicus and he said something along the lines how in all the world "only one man thought the earth wasn't the center of the universe" or however he worded it. It may be nitpicky but I wouldn't expect someone like him to make a statement like that. Obviously in our history Copernicus is credited with that but he can't truly believe he was the first man in the history of the world to believe that. To me it's just like saying "Christopher Columbus discovered America".

I just think it could have been more carefully phrased, is all. The reason being because the point of a show like this is to question everything. Hell that exact phrase was in the episode.

I look forward to the next episode. Hopefully they'll really start blowing peoples minds when they talk about "time".

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm a sucker for these kinds of shows but I did have a few "...really Neil, you just said that?" moments.

One of them being when he was introducing Copernicus and he said something along the lines how in all the world "only one man thought the earth wasn't the center of the universe" or however he worded it. It may be nitpicky but I wouldn't expect someone like him to make a statement like that. Obviously in our history Copernicus is credited with that but he can't truly believe he was the first man in the history of the world to believe that. To me it's just like saying "Christopher Columbus discovered America".

I just think it could have been more carefully phrased, is all. The reason being because the point of a show like this is to question everything. Hell that exact phrase was in the episode.

I look forward to the next episode. Hopefully they'll really start blowing peoples minds when they talk about "time".

I noticed that too, although I thought they said that about Bruno? I thought it was especially odd as they also said that he got the idea after reading someone's writings.

Hmm, I really didn't know too much about Bruno, I'd say they kinda did a disservice to him, as they painted him as a fairly mundane guy that became obsessed with one idea, but after looking him up I'd say he was more profound than that. But then them focusing on him rather than say Copernicus or Galileo is giving him quite a bit of weight. Its definitely worth further study, although in many ways I don't know that he really is that prolific insofar as scientific thought goes so maybe they didn't shortchange him that much).

 

[Jeff7]

You've got it backwards. General relativity covers time dilation due to changes in gravitational potential. Special relativity covers kinetic time dilation.

As for which one has a greater effect it depends on a number of factors including the altitude, direction (east or west), and the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele–Keating_experiment

*Provided the unladen swallow can carry an HP 5061A Cesium beam atomic clock.(it was a big swallow)**

**that's what she said.

Durr. Oops.

 

[Anubis]

for those complaining about the show. go back and watch the first ep of the orig series, its not that different

 

[JTsyo]

Mainstream science is dumbed down. I wish someone would have the balls to talk about black project stuff which is hundreds of years more advanced.

Black projects are engineering not science.

 

[Ichinisan]

I noticed that too, although I thought they said that about Bruno? I thought it was especially odd as they also said that he got the idea after reading someone's writings.

Hmm, I really didn't know too much about Bruno, I'd say they kinda did a disservice to him, as they painted him as a fairly mundane guy that became obsessed with one idea, but after looking him up I'd say he was more profound than that. But then them focusing on him rather than say Copernicus or Galileo is giving him quite a bit of weight. Its definitely worth further study, although in many ways I don't know that he really is that prolific insofar as scientific thought goes so maybe they didn't shortchange him that much).

I was watching the original Carl Sagan Cosmos and noticed that he referred to some celestial thing as "Giordani Bruno," so I think the guy has some kind of star/nebula/galaxy or something named after him.

 

[Ichinisan]

What 'Cosmos' Got Wrong About Giordano Bruno, the Heretic Scientist

 

[bguile]

for those complaining about the show. go back and watch the first ep of the orig series, its not that different

I did. Neil degrasse Tyson is a good guy, but he is not near as eloquent as Sagan was. Plus the original covered more material.

 

[Fritzo]

A new show on ABC called Resurrection. "Resurrection is an American fantasy drama television series about dead people who return to life"

That show is based on a French show, which they're showing on the Sundance channel right now. Lots of sex & boobs (gotta love the French)

 

[Perknose]

/win. I have such a man crush on NGT.

Word. Talk about a person (still alive) you'd like to sit down and have a beer with IRL, Neil would pretty much head up my list! :wub:

 

[Pheran]

What 'Cosmos' Got Wrong About Giordano Bruno, the Heretic Scientist

Thanks, very interesting article.

 

[zinfamous]

great fact

the inquesition did not have the authority to perform executions. that would likely include both public and private executions. if someone was deemed worthy of execution they were handed over to the civil authorities. however if someone died while being interrogated they were deemed to not have been able to survive the interrogation and that was it.

also, I'm not aware of an Inquisition convening in Rome during Bruno's time. And I'm not sure if there was ever one in the Italian states, let alone Rome. The closest that comes to mind is Savanorola in Florence and his Bonfire of the Vanities, in the 15th century.

 

[AMDZen]

Hrm, wasn't very good IMO. Maybe the next few episodes will be more interesting.

Agreed, was expecting a lot more

 

[Thebobo]

You're clearly one of the idiots I'm referring to. When you're teaching someone to drive for the very first time, you take them to an empty parking lot -- you don't put them in rush-hour traffic on the 405 just because parking lots are "baby steps".

As was stated, the show isn't for you...you're better off not watching it.

You are getting all pissed off calling me an idiot because I have a different opinion on a TV show? Why do you care why people like it or not, how does that effect your enjoyment of watching the show? Realize how silly that is?

Tell you what, but just for you I will watch every episode and come here and give my opinion on it.

 

[dainthomas]

I did. Neil degrasse Tyson is a good guy, but he is not near as eloquent as Sagan was. Plus the original covered more material.

Come on, you people are so picky. How can you rag on a show like this when they could have easily put out "Real Dancing Sister Wives of Idaho" or something?

I'm a sucker for science shows like this and thought it was great.

 

[Rakehellion]

Suuuuure. What does Fox network TV sanitize? Family Guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8K-LrJkEDc