Need to work for your handout

[cabri]

9,000 Drop Food Stamps After Maine Begins Work Requirements

Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) spokesman tells the Associated Press that 12,000 non-disabled adults were in Maine’s SNAP program before Jan. 1 - a number that dropped to 2,680 by the end of March.

More than 9,000 Maine residents have been removed from the state's food stamp program since Republican Gov. Paul LePage's administration began enforcing work and volunteer requirements.

The new rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months - unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

If you are able to work (for money or volunteer) you will be assisted.

If you want to loaf; better grow your own food.

75% are off the gravy train.

Why can this not be expanded nationwide.

I am sure that some legal challenge has been brought up and shot down :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

Lemme see....

Max SNAP benefits for a single person are $194/mo. At 20 hrs/week work requirement, that's less than $2.43/hr, about 1/3 of minimum wage.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive

If the system can create enough desperately poor people it's cheaper than hiring illegals.

 

[Strk]

9,000 Drop Food Stamps After Maine Begins Work Requirements




If you are able to work (for money or volunteer) you will be assisted.

If you want to loaf; better grow your own food.

75% are off the gravy train.

Why can this not be expanded nationwide.

I am sure that some legal challenge has been brought up and shot down :thumbsup:

I think the problem with your statement is that the people who were kicked off were on the 'gravy train' and getting handouts, while you seem to insinuate that every on these programs are in the same group.

Welfare programs should be for people who need it, not for healthy people with no kids or disabilities.

 

[Subyman]

We should call it "America Works."

 

[cabri]

I think the problem with your statement is that the people who were kicked off were on the 'gravy train' and getting handouts, while you seem to insinuate that every on these programs are in the same group.

Welfare programs should be for people who need it, not for healthy people with no kids or disabilities.

There is no disagreement at all with your statement.

Programs should be for those that need it; not to be taken advantage of.
The 3 month limit provides a floor to ensure that they have food to get themselves keep themselves going.

All these assistance programs need to be evaluated to determine how the abuse can be reduced.

 

[unokitty]

Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to have received food stamps at some point in their lives...

Giving people a choice of volunteering and receiving benefits or not volunteering and not receiving benefits?

The Horror!
Uno:biggrin:

 

[Jhhnn]

There is no disagreement at all with your statement.

Programs should be for those that need it; not to be taken advantage of.
The 3 month limit provides a floor to ensure that they have food to get themselves keep themselves going.

All these assistance programs need to be evaluated to determine how the abuse can be reduced.

All of which is based on the erroneous notion that there are, indeed, enough jobs to go around, that the long term unemployed are merely lazy & should therefore be punished by forcing them to work at 1/3 minimum wage.

You're like the fucking Church Lady.

 

[Strk]

All of which is based on the erroneous notion that there are, indeed, enough jobs to go around, that the long term unemployed are merely lazy & should therefore be punished by forcing them to work at 1/3 minimum wage.

You're like the fucking Church Lady.

There are, but then you get into the issue of them not providing a living wage and therefore needing these programs anyways.

 

[piasabird]

"Those that need it", is very vague and open to interpretation. I knew adults that lived with their parents and got food stamps. They did not need it and they were related to me by marriage through my brother-in-law. I know from dealing with some of these people that they cant keep a job because they don't want to get up and go to work. It is both sad and true.

 

[Jhhnn]

Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to have received food stamps at some point in their lives...

Giving people a choice of volunteering and receiving benefits or not volunteering and not receiving benefits?

The Horror!
Uno:biggrin:

Which is merely a reflection of the economic disparities involved wrt political identification.

"I got mine!" is pretty much the Repub motto.

 

[realibrad]

All of which is based on the erroneous notion that there are, indeed, enough jobs to go around, that the long term unemployed are merely lazy & should therefore be punished by forcing them to work at 1/3 minimum wage.

You're like the fucking Church Lady.

Some are no doubt lazy. I would argue that many are unqualified for the jobs that are out there. Right now we mainly give away goods/services to these people, but we do very little to increase their productivity which would allow them to get better jobs.

 

[piasabird]

I don't think that being able to get pregnant should qualify a person for welfare or food stamps. That seems like a personal problem to me.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are, but then you get into the issue of them not providing a living wage and therefore needing these programs anyways.

Hogwash. Righties act as if offshoring & automation have no effect on employment. A huge part of the reason unemployment numbers being as low as they are is because of the reduced participation rate.

Anybody who thinks that the Job Creators require our services in the same numbers as they once did has shit fer brains.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't think that being able to get pregnant should qualify a person for welfare or food stamps. That seems like a personal problem to me.

Made even harder when republicans cut funding for planned parenthood, shut down abortion clinics, etc.

 

[Jhhnn]

Some are no doubt lazy. I would argue that many are unqualified for the jobs that are out there. Right now we mainly give away goods/services to these people, but we do very little to increase their productivity which would allow them to get better jobs.

In the current employment climate, openings are much more limited than skills, have been for a very long time. Witness the prospects for recent college grads.

 

[sunzt]

I approve of this governor's actions. Similar things should be done nationwide.

 

[piasabird]

I have been thinking lately that a program like (EIC), Earned Income Credit, is better than welfare. The reason I like it is that if you work at least part time for 6 months and make somewhere around $8k-$12k, you can get back about $8,k on your taxes. You get some kind of EIC payment or credit, plus one exemption for yourself and one for each dependent child. However, you have to work for it. It makes that measly part time job look a little better.

 

[realibrad]

In the current employment climate, openings are much more limited than skills, have been for a very long time. Witness the prospects for recent college grads.

I have found that college grads have a harder time finding jobs than I do. Many of the grads could take jobs I take, but because they are so loaded with student loans, they hold out for higher paying jobs. I think college is hurting the market because of how college is done. College at this point has very little to do with teaching skills, and so its adding extra expense and not giving a big reward. its become a filtering system for most companies.

 

[PokerGuy]

Wait, asking people to actually do something, volunteer or look for work before they get free handouts? That's barbaric! Oh, the horror! Surely amnesty international should look into this as a possible crime against humanity!

No problem with those who need assistance, but I have a big problem with those who are just lazy. I don't know what proportion of those receiving aid are in the former category and which ones are in the latter, but requirements that you actually do something, look for work or volunteer (ie, contribute to society in some way) are perfectly reasonable.

 

[theeedude]

Are there jobs waiting for them or are they going to take other low income working people's jobs by working for pennies to qualify for food stamps?

 

[dank69]

Wait, asking people to actually do something, volunteer or look for work before they get free handouts? That's barbaric! Oh, the horror! Surely amnesty international should look into this as a possible crime against humanity!

No problem with those who need assistance, but I have a big problem with those who are just lazy. I don't know what proportion of those receiving aid are in the former category and which ones are in the latter, but requirements that you actually do something, look for work or volunteer (ie, contribute to society in some way) are perfectly reasonable.

Paying them minimum wage is also reasonable.

 

[BoberFett]

All of which is based on the erroneous notion that there are, indeed, enough jobs to go around, that the long term unemployed are merely lazy & should therefore be punished by forcing them to work at 1/3 minimum wage.

You're like the fucking Church Lady.

Which is merely a reflection of the economic disparities involved wrt political identification.

"I got mine!" is pretty much the Repub motto.

Hogwash. Righties act as if offshoring & automation have no effect on employment. A huge part of the reason unemployment numbers being as low as they are is because of the reduced participation rate.

Anybody who thinks that the Job Creators require our services in the same numbers as they once did has shit fer brains.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements.

Are you fucking stupid?

 

[PokerGuy]

Paying them minimum wage is also reasonable.

Paying them? No, you pay employees. They are not employees. They are people looking for assistance. If they are able bodied, they can VOLUNTEER, or they can participate in a work training program, and they can work any job (minimum wage or not) for 20 hours a week to qualify. If they are not actually able to do any of those, then they qualify for aid regardless.

 

[BoberFett]

Are there jobs waiting for them or are they going to take other low income working people's jobs by working for pennies to qualify for food stamps?

Another fucking stupid person who cant read.

participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements

So many illiterate bleeding hearts.

 

[PokerGuy]

Are there jobs waiting for them or are they going to take other low income working people's jobs by working for pennies to qualify for food stamps?

Working for pennies? Aren't there minimum wage laws?