Need help with computer randomly crashing

[ClutchAutomatic]

If it fails again, I will let you guys know. Even though after this I would be stumped!

 

[Virgorising]

If it fails again, I will let you guys know. Even though after this I would be stumped!

My take, is you are now finally good to go.

EXCELLENT JOB!!!!:biggrin:

 

[professorman]

Uuugghh... I am having the exact same issue with my desktop.. I normally leave it on 24/7, however I am having hints of problems, so i started allowing it to go to sleep. I was using it this evening, then I went outside to work. When I came back it, it was doing the exact same cycle power that the OP computer is doing. It comes on 2 seconds, then cuts out for about 10 seconds, then cuts on 2 seconds and continues this cycle.

I am fearing that it might be the power supply unit. I am water cooled as well.

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

Yep my problem still exists. However I do not have a new power supply I can test out.

It has to be the power supply right? I mean that is what is making the clicking on and off sounds.

 

[Virgorising]

Yep my problem still exists. However I do not have a new power supply I can test out.

It has to be the power supply right? I mean that is what is making the clicking on and off sounds.

OMG. This......is SICKENING. While PSU was my first take, the more I learned in the thread the more I felt, no way could it be that brand new, excellent, powerful PSU!!!

Should U not make sure that's really the issue? I dunno....this is now above my pay grade and I will leave it to the helpers who know more than I.

Even for those to have a supply of spare PSUs, even I have a mini supply--- how many would be that powerful or more powerful to try????

HANG IN!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

The way I was able to get it back just now was to unplug the 1 psu cable that runs to my hard drives not sure if it was the ssd or hdd, but the lack of powering 1 more thing helped it boot.

 

[Virgorising]

The way I was able to get it back just now was to unplug the 1 psu cable that runs to my hard drives not sure if it was the ssd or hdd, but the lack of powering 1 more thing helped it boot.

So can U test things next by removing the power cables from the drives one at a time?

Amazing, but it does again, now, look like a PSU issue despite what a beast yours is. Well, to me, it is. I guess, beast is subjective.

Ever think of using REVOSLEEP to put yr backup drives to sleep? Yr mechanical one, which, I would think draws more power, especially. But I think it's not compatible yet with W8....assuming U R running it.

Edit: Jus looked, yes U R....8.1 64.

http://revosleep.realspooky.de/

Yep, only still compatible with 7; pls disregard this suggestion. Just another of infinite reasons I will go on running 7.

 

[Ketchup]

I think Virgorising hit the nail on the head, but I too am surprised by the excessive power needs. ClutchAutomatic, did you ever see power requirements listed for your water cooling unit? I did some searching the other day and found nill.

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

So can U test things next by removing the power cables from the drives one at a time?

Amazing, but it does again, now, look like a PSU issue despite what a beast yours is. Well, to me, it is. I guess, beast is subjective.

Ever think of using REVOSLEEP to put yr backup drives to sleep? Yr mechanical one, which, I would think draws more power, especially. But I think it's not compatible yet with W8....assuming U R running it.

Edit: Jus looked, yes U R....8.1 64.

http://revosleep.realspooky.de/

Yep, only still compatible with 7. Just another of infinite reasons I will go on running 7.

I am not sure what you want me to test, after I got it running it crashed on me again while browsing the internet. So again I removed that one psu cable and it booted, it gave me an overclock failed message but I am thinking that is irrelevant, because I did downclock it. It also wasn't the first time I saw the overclock failed message. If it was an overclock failed clear cmos would fix the boot cycle and it doesn't. I am pulling the psu cable for my two ssd in raid 0 though.

 

[Virgorising]

I think Virgorising hit the nail on the head, but I too am surprised by the excessive power needs. ClutchAutomatic, did you ever see power requirements listed for your water cooling unit? I did some searching the other day and found nill.

Unless he's got a microwave and a hair blower hooked up to that PSU he is not telling us about.....it's shocking. Well, I think.

 

[Virgorising]

I am not sure what you want me to test, after I got it running it crashed on me again while browsing the internet. So again I removed that one psu cable and it booted, it gave me an overclock failed message but I am thinking that is irrelevant, because I did downclock it. It also wasn't the first time I saw the overclock failed message. If it was an overclock failed clear cmos would fix the boot cycle and it doesn't. I am pulling the psu cable for my two ssd in raid 0 though.

All I meant, if I am seeing this accurately in my head, was, I guess I would pull all the power cables from all three drives, and hook up one at a time and monitor the results.

Then, if things OK, two at a time. The goal would be to get clear on which is stressing the PSU most, Or, which two.

Exactly as when we suspect an issue might be a RAM stick.
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Afterthought: Could it be the WIRING OF YR PSU???? Sounds as if U have one lead with multiple plugs to power yr HDDS? Maybe that is just not getting the job done normally?

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

Okay, but the thing is it shouldn't be stressing this psu! Next time it crashes I will try to pull the other HDD cable.

 

[Virgorising]

Okay, but the thing is it shouldn't be stressing this psu! Next time it crashes I will try to pull the other HDD cable.

I know! But "shouldn't be" and IS are different. We need to get to the bottom of what IS.

Pls see my afterthoughts above re the wiring of this unit. Maybe it is simply INADEQUATE RE delivery, maybe it's not the overall wattage, but that.

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

It crashed but was able to boot back up with no errors this time.

 

[Virgorising]

It crashed but was able to boot back up with no errors this time.

But.....did you change anything before this last boot???

Listen, I relate, but the definition of (I am stuck in self created quicksand) insanity, is trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

And that....is the opposite of troubleshooting, right?

It is possible U are having normal expectations, but just maybe, you and this complex rig are giving this PSU assignments it can not fulfill! We need to unearth the details, and if that's what's going on here, get to the bottom of WHY.

 

[Virgorising]

Yo! check out wut I just found!!! My intuitive take re the one lead to all the HDDs might have been right! THIS COULD BE A RAIL ISSUE! I jus din know to call it that, but who cares?

Your PSU has several wires coming out of it (some modern PSUs have contacts where you can plug wires yourself, but that makes no practical difference). Each of these wires constitute a “rail”. Each of these rails provide a fixed voltage (typically 5V, 12V etc.). An example of such a rail is one of the wires, with several plugs attached to it, that powers your disk drives, CDROM, fan etc.Now for the important bits: each of these rails have a maximum current rating (measured in ampere/”amps”, and thus often called “amperage&#8221. If your components on a single rail tries to suck too much current, i.e. too high total amperage, they will not get enough and fail (typically crash, often your whole system). The required amperage of a modern GPU is quite high under full load. This is the reason the adapter below have two white molex plugs. This is so you can distribute the load across two different rails. Thus, when you connect an adapter like this, you must connect it to two different rails (wires) on your GPU!
For reasons that are somewhat complex, this might not be true for your particular PSU. Please read the addendum at the bottom of this entry to get the full story.
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PS: Pls use link and read the whole thing:

http://www.systemagnostic.com/faqs/my-psu-doesnt-have-the-6-pin-plug-for-the-gpu-what-can-i-do/
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[ClutchAutomatic]

Yeah I didn't change anything, I just came back and I was at the log in screen so I know it turned off. I have the GPU on 2 rails as well. 2 ssd on 1 rail, 1 hdd on 1 rail, and the corsair pump on 1 rail. CPU on its own rail and same with motherboard.

 

[Virgorising]

Yeah I didn't change anything, I just came back and I was at the log in screen so I know it turned off. I have the GPU on 2 rails as well. 2 ssd on 1 rail, 1 hdd on 1 rail, and the corsair pump on 1 rail. CPU on its own rail and same with motherboard.

Well this is helpful! The rail info. Maybe first, pull the power from the mechanical drive and then try to boot.....even tho, it's a separate rail.

I do not know enough about RAID setups (I can now do them but choose not to, I like two separate drives, not related) to know if you pulled the power plug from one SDD at a time and then tested, if that would mess things up or not.

This is a logical process of elimination and trying to identify and isolate the offending component(s). Well, that's the way I see it.

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

I am running sleeping dogs, been about 30 minutes now and no crashes. If I pulled the power ribbon from one ssd I might be able to get past the bios but it won't load into windows. So I am trying to get my computer to fail again.

 

[Virgorising]

I am running sleeping dogs, been about 30 minutes now and no crashes. If I pulled the power ribbon from one ssd I might be able to get past the bios but it won't load into windows. So I am trying to get my computer to fail again.

OK, but, trying to get it fail again will not give us the INFO WE NEED. Your defiant, current premise via cummulative frustration is, any second now, things will be normal., and if not, Bring it ON, dude!

That's cause U R human, and you are Throwing Down to the rig as if it were an Enemy.....but we need to troubleshoot.

Pls sign this virtual document that u agree.()

PS: I think I am now clear on WHY you can't pull the power from one SDD in yr RAID setup re yr two SSDs (I will never do RAID), but why can't you start troubleshooting by first pulling the power lead to just yr mechanical drive? I mean, doesn't IT demand the most juice from the PSU than yr SDDs combined?

PPS: I just delved and while SSDs draw less power than mechanical drives, I think it may not be that much less.

but no harm in trying it anyhow.

And, I now think Ketchup79 having focused and taken the time to try to get data re the power demands of yr water cooler were dead on.

And, U said you have two rails going to yr GPU. I have no clue which is demanding more juice: the cooler or the GPU. but I think we should try to find out.

 

[Virgorising]

Jeeze. Your card needs and has three fans?

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_lightning_review,29.html

Edit: OMG

Power Consumption

Again not bad, the card is rated at as having a 250 Watt TDP, we measure pretty much 233 Watts. From the top of my head that's roughly the number as GeForce GTX 580 had a two years ago. Compared to that product you have nearly double the performance at the same wattage. That 250 Watt TDP also will make running multi-GPU solutions a bit more easy. With two card we think an 800 Watt PSU would be sufficient. So while it's not great to have a GPU sucking up 250 Watt it could have been a lot worse. So, perspective is the word I like you to keep in mind.

Amazing. Wicked scary, even. If that card needs that kinda juice.....then, factor in your water cooler... all the drives, even tho you don have 32 GBs of ram.....I think you may well need need an even beastier PSU.

 

[ClutchAutomatic]

definitely the GPU, I don't think the cooler is pulling that much power.

 

[Virgorising]

definitely the GPU, I don't think the cooler is pulling that much power.

That feels right to me.

Now, I have been trying to learn more about yr pump and what is Less Than in yr setup. Often, something just pops out as being relevant. In reading the reviews of this puppy, I focused on system specs re those who posted.

See this:

Overall, if you are looking for the best closed liquid cooler and don't have the time or money to build your own custom water cooler then the H100i will go above and beyond to satisfy your needs. Just make sure this unit will fit in your case because I have seen many people on forums who have purchased one of these and then realize it won't fit. I highly recommend this closed liquid cooler to anybody who's looking to overclock their CPU and there's no other company that can come close to Corsair's customer service.

My full rig:

Case: Corsair 650D
GPU: EVGA GTX 780
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.8 GHz
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W
Ram: Kingston 16GB of RAM
SSD Samsung 840 Pro 256GB
MB: ASUS Sabertooth Z77
OS: Windows 7 64bit

And that guy with yr identical cooler has only one drive, an SSD!
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Too bad most reviewers did not put up their system specs.

I am more and more thinking you need a beastier PSU. (My new fav word is "beastier.)
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OK that guy with yr cooler and the 100W PSU....HIS GPU goes for $520 on Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...131119221232:s

And, from the Mfg's site, for his card:

Power Consumptionup to 300Wadditional 6+8 pin PCIe power required​

Wut???

 

[Virgorising]

Here's the one that guy chose on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817438013
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Edit: My God....there are 1600W PSUs.

http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

One thing for like a hair blower, I have an 1800W one, but, you use that briefly, but something that remains on for hours and hours?

But you just might need BEASTIER.

 

[Virgorising]

Sorry to make this a new post, but it might help crunching numbers to arrive at the most accurate more info on exactly how much beast U really need in that rig re PSU.

I do not mean to insult yr savvy re custom builds, but this looks like a really thorough, in depth calculator, and that you can key in everything:

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Wut would be the harm is using it, and seeing what it comes up with?????