NEC 20WMGX2 pwns all! Come inside...

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yes and no. The NEC would probably have better imaqe quality here, and the black levels would be very nice for movies, but if you watch movies with any ambient light, then the glare would probably bug you to death. Tough decision.

Another thing to consider is that the NEC's lower resolution would actually be nicer for current DVDs since it won't have to scale it as much, but with the hi-def movies, it would be nice have it display all of the pixels.

Definitely a tough decision though, as the extra size and resolution would be nice (and it has good image quality too), but the NEC's quality just sounds stellar.

The extra size and res of the HP are the main considerations--I could sit back farther from the monitor for movies. Gaming at a lower res isn't much of an issue since the HP has excellent scaling. And also native 1080p for HD and 1080i for PS2 (GT4) gaming.

OTOH, the NEC is $300 cheaper. I think I would like the image quality better, not to mention gaming at native res, and I could keep my current desk. The built-in speakers are actually a bonus since I could play PS2 without turning on my PC. Still leaning towards the HP at this point.

Originally posted by: gersson
Shiz. Mine was perfect when I first started it up now there's backlight bleeding from all 4 corners like crazy

Give it time... I've heard of bleeding going away on new monitors.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Went for the 20WMGX2 from Page Computer.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: OvErHeAtInG
Went for the 20WMGX2 from Page Computer.

That's where I got mine. They're pretty good -- Newegg has them too, btw.

 

[letdown427]

Best I can do here in the UK is about £410 delivered. Grr. How to justify that to myself...

 

[Heartbreaker]

That coating is amazing too. I haven't seen this screen, but I have seen an NEC with that opticlear screen in a big electronic retailer. There were 20 other screens and the 19" nec with opticlear blew them away. And that was on a crappy TN panel.

I never thought I would love glossy, but I do. This is with blazing store lights, I didnt notice reflects till screen went black and I focused on them. I hope we get more choices with glossy soon.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Yargh... maybe I should get this, -- but I've cancelled my order since I really need a larger screen. Maybe I'll wait until I can see it in person

 

[LittleNemoNES]

It depends on what's more important to you -- huge screen; crappy quality or Medium screen; excellent quality.

BTW, I don't know why the heck people kept warning about the opticlear. Mine doesn't bother @ all. Of course, you need to adjust the brightness to an appropiate level. I'm @ this moment typing this in a room where this thing faces a window and my center room light is on...

No glare. If I switch to dark colors, there is light reflection.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: gersson
It depends on what's more important to you -- huge screen; crappy quality or Medium screen; excellent quality.

BTW, I don't know why the heck people kept warning about the opticlear. Mine doesn't bother @ all. Of course, you need to adjust the brightness to an appropiate level. I'm @ this moment typing this in a room where this thing faces a window and my center room light is on...

No glare. If I switch to dark colors, there is light reflection.

the glare could drive some people nuts depending on the light in their room. my last place had a window on the opposite side of the room and i had to get dark curtains just to tone down screen glare.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Sounds like an LCD that can finally compare to a CRT, but I'm still skeptical. My NEC FE2111SB w/ superbright mode is great for some games (Source games in particular, HL2), but not all. And movie viewing through PowerDVD w/ color set to "Theater" is borderline perfect.

I still don't think any LCD can match or surpass a high-end CRT. Although this one sounds very close. Even thought the price is a punch in the ass.

 

[ScottFern]

Well I just dropped $610 shipped on the black model of this LCD. It better be worth the cash thats all I have to say.

Will I be able to notice a quality difference with the NEC 20WMGX2 next to my Dell 2005FPW ? I am thinking of going duals for now until Vista. That's the only way I was able to rationalize this purchase was the HDCP compliance.

 

[wishbringer15]

Question about NEC 20WMGX2.. I ordered one for my sister who wanted to also use it as a TV and have one big issue with it that I hope can be resolved.

When I turn the computer on, I don't see the BIOS screen or the Windows Black Bootup screen. Once the Windows login screen appears I see that but I need to get into the BIOS. This monitor isn't suppose to do that is it? It might just be a setting. The NEC is hook to an ATI 8500DV using the DVI monitor connection. Any help with this issue would be greatly appriecated.
Thanks!
Dave

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
Well I just dropped $610 shipped on the black model of this LCD. It better be worth the cash thats all I have to say.

Will I be able to notice a quality difference with the NEC 20WMGX2 next to my Dell 2005FPW ? I am thinking of going duals for now until Vista. That's the only way I was able to rationalize this purchase was the HDCP compliance.

Mine is on its way as well. It had also better be worth the money. I'll see how it measures up to the VX2025WM and 2007WFP of mine. I played around with the 19" NEC models in my local Best Buy. They had several monitors up there for display. Samsung, LG, NEC, Gateway, etc. and all of them were connected through VGA though. They were all poorly adjusted too, but after messing with them for a while I had a good idea as to which one I would want to get, the NEC. Ordered it from Newegg (I'm probably could have gotten it cheaper elsewhere, but I like Newegg's shipping and am very comfortable with them if something goes wrong).

 

[Silmatharien]

this monitor looks sick. soo expensive though. I think the only way I can get it is if I can bribe my mom to buy it for me. I am after all building her a computer for essentially nothing ....

 

[farp96]

Question can this lcd do 75hz at its native resolution? It would suck to play games at 60hz with the tearing and all...

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: farp96
Question can this lcd do 75hz at its native resolution? It would suck to play games at 60hz with the tearing and all...

Nah it only supports 60 Hz. What does 60 Hz have to do with tearing though? You can still enable VSync.

 

[farp96]

Can you force it to use 75hz using the nvidia control panel refresh rate override option? Also xtknight is this LCD really all its cracked up to be? I trust your opinion I love your guide too btw...

 

[xtknight]

Nope, 75 Hz is totally out of the frequency range. I really wouldn't recommend pushing it out of spec (can mess up response time acceleration chip).

Yeah, I love it. No regrets at all. Very much worth the price. I have very few minor issues with it (USB hub is shaky and no "centered mode" in DVI/VGA (which isn't an issue for me)). I would have liked >60 Hz modes too but it's no huge loss. I used to use 75 Hz on my 19" and to be honest I hardly notice the difference. Definitely not something that would really affect your usage. All the multimedia options are sweet and totally customizeable (aspect/scaling/expansion modes can be custom for component/composite/S-Video inputs).

 

[farp96]

Is using 60hz in games like BF2 really noticable as opposed to 75hz? Because on my current lcd which is the 90gx2 when it defaults to 60hz, I totally notice a difference between 75hz and 60hz. 75hz to me is alot more easier on the eyes and looks better in games. But maybe at the higher resolution its different. On my laptop lcd running at 1280x800 at 60hz its totally fine.

 

[xtknight]

Actually during gaming you'd probably notice it a bit. But I'd gladly sacrifice that for the stunning image quality it delivers. I used to use the VP930b@1280x1024/75Hz with BF2. I can't say I noticed any decrease in "smoothness" but I didn't try them side by side. There probably was a difference and I'm not a big gamer. The NEC royally kicks the VP930b's butt in every other conceivable fashion however. I'm not aware of any 20" LCD that lets you run over 60 Hz so you don't really have a choice (the LG L2000C may run at 72 Hz but I can't confirm that).

 

[farp96]

Someone over at the widescreen gaming forums said they got their nec to 75hz, I don't remember how but according to the poster he did without a problem. Can you try and do that on yours xtknight to confirm or deny this?

 

[xtknight]

I can't find anywhere in the WSGF thread where anyone succeeded doing it (one noted using VGA may help). I haven't tried PowerStrip yet but pushing a monitor out of spec is a bad idea (especially LCDs). CRTs don't have as much trouble since they are analog to begin with and just "a little over" isn't going to cause much problem. 75 Hz is perfectly in spec and detected for the 19" ones, that's the difference. Nothing is actually being forced at all. If you really want to risk the components you can try but it's a horrible idea to put something this expensive on the line unless it's really causing a problem for you or are ready to eat the cost if something goes wrong. There's still no telling of long term damage. It's much like overclocking, just a lot more risky because it's more obscure. I have always ran 17"/19" LCDs at 75 Hz with no forcing though. Sorry didn't mean for that to be a lecture but it's not worth the possible damage (warranty would be void too).

 

[farp96]

Also I know it has a tv tuner built into it. Could I hook that up to my directv?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: farp96
Also I know it has a tv tuner built into it. Could I hook that up to my directv?

Doesn't the DirectTV receiver output component or S-Video? In that case you could but you wouldn't even be using the TV tuner. If it outputs coax you could use the TV tuner.

 

[topslop1]

Is there anything that comes close to this at $300?

It still seems like LCDS ( even this one ) are so far behind CRTS. I'm coming from a 21'' Sony Trinitrion CRT and I still think that I'd be better off putting my $300 into another CRT until LCDS get their act together. Keep in mind I'm a gamer and my eyes are sensitive enough to notice the difference between 85hz and 100hz.

 

[Zebo]

They don't make a CRT as good as the one you have...everything today is cheap invar shadow mask. And yes LCD's are far behind CRTs in motion blur and you will have to get used to it even with a fast one like this NEC. Sorry that's just the way it is.. I hate when I'm scrolling in a game like titan quest and text becomes slightly blurry..I still notice it!

$300 is really tough... Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP is close to that but you may have to move into a 19" screen which is the about the same size as your 21" CRT so you would'nt be losing much....Lots of fast 19" like LG L1970HR or Veiwsonic 922/924..

Seriously drop $550 for this NEC.. it's worth it nothing comes close and monitor is most important part on computer IMO.. Plus they last years...skimp on harddrive...processor speed something..anything else besides video card or monitor if your a gamer.