Regarding glossy screens, there is an interesting article at Behardware (a bit old though) comparing CRTs to LCDs. At the bottom of this page, the autor tried to show that the CRT Black deepness could be worse than the LCD under some lighting conditions.
It is the Farcry loading screen.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/511-6/screen-comparative-test-crt-vs-lcd.html
Is this similar to the effect on the NEC glossy screen discussed on this thread?
I'm considering buying the NEC, but I saw some glossy monitor today during lunch time (Sony 23") and it makes me wonder......I cannot have a 100% dark room to use it.
Any pics around showing a side by side comparison to other monitors?
It is the Farcry loading screen.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/511-6/screen-comparative-test-crt-vs-lcd.html
Is this similar to the effect on the NEC glossy screen discussed on this thread?
I'm considering buying the NEC, but I saw some glossy monitor today during lunch time (Sony 23") and it makes me wonder......I cannot have a 100% dark room to use it.
Any pics around showing a side by side comparison to other monitors?
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Blacks are worse on my Mit/NEC 2070 than this LCD.. Check out what he says there..
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Visually, even if the Mitsubishi screen is given as the more accurate by our measuring tool, the BenQ picture seems better, brighter and more vivid."
Then read what he says in the 20WMGX review...
"The majority of people prefer glossy as colors are more vivid and images brighter. It?s the same for monitors as color on a glossy display seems to have a higher level of contrast. This is only an illusion though, as measurements prove, and comes from the shiny panel. "
It seems - dispite instrumentation stating the opposite - the human eyes seems to detect things much differently. In both cases the LCD "wins over" the eyes and fails the electronics.
As far as 100% dark - you don't need that - just no lights behind you, above you, glossy walls reflecting light to LCD or windows... You don't notice it at even so with screen on. That's why they turned monitor off during review to show the point to readers. Misleading if you ask me.
Originally posted by: remagavon
Did you get your 3007 yet Zebo? I really want a quality comparison between the two.
There's some tests here: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?...o1=92&p1=946&ma2=52&mo2=95&p2=969&ph=1
Different tests under "Etape 3".
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$714 plus $50 rebae brings it to OK price..
Vendors are getting more in
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__NEC_20WM..._1_LCD_Monitor,__16752678/search=wmgx2
No, no one offered to broker for me on canada deal. I'm really happy with this NEC display but size is a bit small looking into new 23" philips S-IPS but I'll wait for a real review..no hurries. I have like 10 monitors around here...
Vendors are getting more in
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__NEC_20WM..._1_LCD_Monitor,__16752678/search=wmgx2
No, no one offered to broker for me on canada deal. I'm really happy with this NEC display but size is a bit small looking into new 23" philips S-IPS but I'll wait for a real review..no hurries. I have like 10 monitors around here...
The US NEC 20WMGX2 does have HDCP support on the DVI connector. There is no HDMI connector and the European LCD20WGX2 does not have HDCP support.
Except for its 6 bit panel I am pretty happy with my 70GX2 for now. Guess am gonna wait till NEC comes out wth a Widescreen that supports 1600 X 1200 and HDMI/HDCP to upgrade to . . . any idea if this might happen?
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I was actually considering this monitor as a secondary until I read about the banding on various forums.. Maybe one of these days they'l come up with a fast / true 8bit panel...the sad thing is 8bit isnt even 100% dither free either , 10bit would be ideal if you wanted CRT like gradients.
I thought I'd give you guys an update. I've had my NEC 20WMGX2 for about 2 months now (or at least it seems like it). I just have one complaint about this monitor...
WHY DIDN'T THEY INVENT IT SOONER!?!?!?!?!? THIS MONITOR PWNZ ALL!!!! 6MS response time and perfect blacks! I would highly reccomend this monitor over any other monitor in that price range.
WHY DIDN'T THEY INVENT IT SOONER!?!?!?!?!? THIS MONITOR PWNZ ALL!!!! 6MS response time and perfect blacks! I would highly reccomend this monitor over any other monitor in that price range.
Zebo or Crescent....how is it for gaming (FarCry and HL2) if you play FPS.
...and how is the text on Word.
These are the most imporatant to me. as I don't watch movies on monitors or do any photowork.
Thanks!
...and how is the text on Word.
These are the most imporatant to me.
as I don't watch movies on monitors or do any photowork.Thanks!
Argh. This monitor would be perfect for me, but I need something with component inputs. Hmm, still thinking about it...
I'll probably be getting one in a few weeks (European version though).
The price is pretty staggering, but it should have good resale value.
The price is pretty staggering, but it should have good resale value.
Gorka
FPS PWNZ ON THIS MONITOR!!! That's pretty much all I play, and I'm pwning more n00bs than ever now. No blur is good. The text quality is wonderful too, as long as you don't turn the sharpness up to high. I have it at 16.6% and it looks beautiful! BTW Did I mention that the colors are extra wonderful in HL2?
FPS PWNZ ON THIS MONITOR!!! That's pretty much all I play, and I'm pwning more n00bs than ever now. No blur is good
. The text quality is wonderful too, as long as you don't turn the sharpness up to high. I have it at 16.6% and it looks beautiful! BTW Did I mention that the colors are extra wonderful in HL2?Whoah... my bad. Now I have to find another excuse not to get this. I'm about to get the HP L2335... which I think is better for me since I'll be watching movies.... hard decision tho.
Originally posted by: Zebo
The NEC 20WMGX2 (NEC 20WGX2 European version) was recommened to me by Xnkight and Dar. They said it uses the next generation 2006 fast AS-IPS form LG/philips - said it hangs with fastest TN's like Veiwsonic VX924/922, has great brightness, contrast and color being an IPS.. I was very skeptical at first, having bought about 15 LCD's over thier existance and always unsatisfied. I currently own the Dell 1905FP, The Dell 2005FPW, the Dell 2001FP, The NEC and a NEC AG CRT 2070. I thought ths would be yet another RMA (YARMA)..I also thought I was crazy for spending $700 on a 20" when there are $350-$500 twentys out there and Dells 24" for $800. All my fears were are laid to rest now. Ths monitor is worth every penny and then some. Right when I opened it it looked like a million bucks.
My test were done with the Dell 2005FPW mostly, also an S-IPS but older generation, in clone mode with NEC 20WMGX².. And let me just say right now to save you trouble of reading further the NEC blows the Dell away... Its blacks are jet black.. It's whites are crystal clear alpine white while Dells is sotra "faded" looking juxtaposed to the NEC. It's colors were far more vibrant, looked "alive" almost 3d. NEC's reponse time is much superior.. Even hangs with those "2ms" lamers from Veiwsonic which I RMA'd due to crap color, crap veiwangles, crap back light bleeding - just garbage.
The 20WMGX² is perfect image wise.
Basic Specs:
Brightness 470 cd/m2 = This is no joke! 50% is a halogen light - 100% will blind you, brightest LCD ever tested at behardware.
Contrast Ratio 1600:1 = With Advanced DV mode again they are serious here - I think the "opticlear" coating helps too.
16.8 million colors (24 bit colors on a 8 bit panel)
Response time 6ms = For real, again hangs with the fastest overdriven TN's..
Viewing Angle: 89U/89D/89R/89L = s-IPS owns veiw angle, always has and it got better!
Try this on your LCD!
http://www.baddass.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tft_central/images/nec_20wgx2/angle2.JPG
Has a neat swivel stand hiding underbase plate like a lazy susan..
Ths NEC 20WMGX², the american version, costs about 10% more than the european counterpart, the 20WGX2. this extra cost is for:
1. Detachable soundbar. Great for office and minimal audio applications.
2. Remote control.
3. HDCP support for Vista
4. every input you can imagine, compsite, S, antenna/cable, CVBS, DVI, D-SUB etc
5. a built in tuner with 68 channels to function as a television if you want
In otherwords it's loaded!
The 20WMGX² has it's problems -
1. no height adjustment (But lukily with it's awesome S-IPS/opticlear veiw angles it's not needed for image to render crystal clear). But I just prefer to look at things straight on.
2. All LCD's even fast ones like this have motion blur. Subtle but it's still there if your looking for it and are critical like me. It's still the fastest LCD out.
3. Third it's "opticlear" technology.. it's a give and take - providing unmacthed contrast but has a mirror effect with any light source in front of monitor. You really need to consider your office space if thinking about this monitor - no windows or lamps in front of monitor or you will see them which can be very distracting. It's not really a problem in my office...
Anyway below linked is to some more thorough reviews. I just think anyone looking for an LCD ATM would be making a huge mistake not looking into this next generation LG-Philips S-IPS's found inside the NEC 20WGX² or NEC 20WMGX² Just awesome! I never been so happy with a tech purchase as with NEC 20WMGX².
The new NEC reviewed in English major photos..
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm]
... and in Norwegian Scores 10/10 in all categories!!! They also claim it's as fast as fastest TNs!!!):
http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=291139
Another detailed eng review:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-...gx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html
Edit: Problems are poping up. Like with Dell 2005FPW back light bleed seems to be poping up with the NEC for some users. I don't have it - pure jet black screen - the majority does'nt have it but some users are experianceing it unfortunatly.
hey I just got mine in the mail too!
Seriously. I just hooked it up -- looks AMAZINGOMGBBQ
Ahem.
I have no dead pixels and no back bleeding! I'm so happy. Just finished playing oblivion for a sec (4xAA, HDR, 16xAF) and came here to brag. Beat me to it Zebo ;-)
Yes and no. The NEC would probably have better imaqe quality here, and the black levels would be very nice for movies, but if you watch movies with any ambient light, then the glare would probably bug you to death. Tough decision.
Another thing to consider is that the NEC's lower resolution would actually be nicer for current DVDs since it won't have to scale it as much, but with the hi-def movies, it would be nice have it display all of the pixels.
Definitely a tough decision though, as the extra size and resolution would be nice (and it has good image quality too), but the NEC's quality just sounds stellar.
OK, this monitor sounds awesome. One question, does it come in all black yet?
If it does, then that's it, I'm buying it! Anymore reviews/comparisons would be appreciated
If it does, then that's it, I'm buying it!
Anymore reviews/comparisons would be appreciatedShiz. Mine was perfect when I first started it up now there's backlight bleeding from all 4 corners like crazy
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