NEC 20WMGX2 pwns all! Come inside...

Zebo

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The NEC 20WMGX2 (NEC 20WGX2 European version) was recommened to me by Xnkight and Dar. They said it uses the next generation 2006 fast AS-IPS form LG/philips - said it hangs with fastest TN's like Veiwsonic VX924/922, has great brightness, contrast and color being an IPS.. I was very skeptical at first, having bought about 15 LCD's over thier existance and always unsatisfied. I currently own the Dell 1905FP, The Dell 2005FPW, the Dell 2001FP, The NEC and a NEC AG CRT 2070. I thought ths would be yet another RMA (YARMA)..I also thought I was crazy for spending $700 on a 20" when there are $350-$500 twentys out there and Dells 24" for $800. All my fears were are laid to rest now. Ths monitor is worth every penny and then some. Right when I opened it it looked like a million bucks.

My test were done with the Dell 2005FPW mostly, also an S-IPS but older generation, in clone mode with NEC 20WMGX².. And let me just say right now to save you trouble of reading further the NEC blows the Dell away... Its blacks are jet black.. It's whites are crystal clear alpine white while Dells is sotra "faded" looking juxtaposed to the NEC. It's colors were far more vibrant, looked "alive" almost 3d. NEC's reponse time is much superior.. Even hangs with those "2ms" lamers from Veiwsonic which I RMA'd due to crap color, crap veiwangles, crap back light bleeding - just garbage.

The 20WMGX² is perfect image wise.

Basic Specs:

Brightness 470 cd/m2 = This is no joke! 50% is a halogen light - 100% will blind you, brightest LCD ever tested at behardware.


Contrast Ratio 1600:1 = With Advanced DV mode again they are serious here - I think the "opticlear" coating helps too.

16.8 million colors (24 bit colors on a 8 bit panel)

Response time 6ms = For real, again hangs with the fastest overdriven TN's..


Viewing Angle: 89U/89D/89R/89L = s-IPS owns veiw angle, always has and it got better!
Try this on your LCD!
http://www.baddass.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tft_central/images/nec_20wgx2/angle2.JPG

Has a neat swivel stand hiding underbase plate like a lazy susan..


Ths NEC 20WMGX², the american version, costs about 10% more than the european counterpart, the 20WGX2. this extra cost is for:

1. Detachable soundbar. Great for office and minimal audio applications.
2. Remote control.
3. HDCP support for Vista
4. every input you can imagine, compsite, S, antenna/cable, CVBS, DVI, D-SUB etc
5. a built in tuner with 68 channels to function as a television if you want

In otherwords it's loaded!


The 20WMGX² has it's problems -

1. no height adjustment (But lukily with it's awesome S-IPS/opticlear veiw angles it's not needed for image to render crystal clear). But I just prefer to look at things straight on.

2. All LCD's even fast ones like this have motion blur. Subtle but it's still there if your looking for it and are critical like me. It's still the fastest LCD out.

3. Third it's "opticlear" technology.. it's a give and take - providing unmacthed contrast but has a mirror effect with any light source in front of monitor. You really need to consider your office space if thinking about this monitor - no windows or lamps in front of monitor or you will see them which can be very distracting. It's not really a problem in my office...

Anyway below linked is to some more thorough reviews. I just think anyone looking for an LCD ATM would be making a huge mistake not looking into this next generation LG-Philips S-IPS's found inside the NEC 20WGX² or NEC 20WMGX² Just awesome! I never been so happy with a tech purchase as with NEC 20WMGX².


The new NEC reviewed in English major photos..
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm]

... and in Norwegian Scores 10/10 in all categories!!! They also claim it's as fast as fastest TNs!!!):
http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=291139

Another detailed eng review:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-...gx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html



Edit: Problems are poping up. Like with Dell 2005FPW back light bleed seems to be poping up with the NEC for some users. I don't have it - pure jet black screen - the majority does'nt have it but some users are experianceing it unfortunatly.:( So I can no longer recommend this monitor unequivically since it suffers form poor QC. http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/fo...208&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=350

 

n7

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Yay for Opticlear! :D

I've been praising that type of finish since it came out over a year ago.

Yes, it adds some glare.
But the richness of color & sharpness it leaves is just visually stunning :D

Nice to see you like it.
Now if only they'd release it in a 1600x1200 format, or 1920x1200, & i'll be sold :p
 

n7

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But there's no Opticlear-style finish on that one is there?

That to me is the biggest selling point...i love it :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: n7
But there's no Opticlear-style finish on that one is there?

That to me is the biggest selling point...i love it :)

Oh I'm sorry n7 misinterpreted what you meant... I though you mean fast S-IPS in those resolutions like this NEC.. Now I see what you mean... they should be coming soon both Sony, AG Neovo and NEC use an "opticlear" type screen in thier monitors. Ths NEC is first monitor I know of based on next gen sips.
 

n7

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Yeah TBH honest, i can't tell the difference between a good 6-bit vs. an 8-bit, so that doesn't matter to me much.
I :heart: Opticlear though.

I know Sony was actually the first company to release the X-Brite screens (it was on laptops first IIRC), but Sony = overpriced, & AG Neovo i've never seen in Canada.

When NEC released the 1770GX/1970GX Opticlear displays, i was hoping they'd come out with a 20" + later, & while they did, it was a bit too late, as i already have my 16x12 Samsung, & now that i'm used to 16x12, there's no way i'd go to the odd WS 16x10 resolution...i dislike having to screw around to get games to work at proper resolutions, etc.

I've went from a 17" CRT @ 1152x864 to a 17" LCD @ 1280x1024 to a 20" LCD @ 1600x1200...so for an LCD, the next natural progression would be a WS 23/24" @ 1920x1200...bring it on NEC :D
 

Topweasel

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Kristopher not working for AT who's writing LCD reviews???

???????? I thought DailyTech was part of Anandtech....
 

NeezyDeezy

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it's reports like these that me doubt the rumors that dell's new 20 and 24 inch monitors will use the same panels as before...

if they do they'll get creamed
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: NeezyDeezy
it's reports like these that me doubt the rumors that dell's new 20 and 24 inch monitors will use the same panels as before...

if they do they'll get creamed

They sell for half what everyone sells for and have fantastic stands.. I would'nt worry about dell. They will use Samsungs PVA's in thier new high end displays - the only IPS they have is in 2005FPW, it's an older one but still very good. Best Dell IMO. Anyway LG/Philips cancelled thier IT contract with Dell so they won't use LG/Philips anymore or vise versa - Dell cancelled first then LG.:p I've also heard Dell monitor factory is next door to Samsung panel factory so logistically it makes more sense for Dell to use samsung...
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Topweasel
Kristopher not working for AT who's writing LCD reviews???

???????? I thought DailyTech was part of Anandtech....

July 2005 was last monitor review:thumbsdown:... no one?
 
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this monitor kicks ass, i believe i had a post in here about it, but the one i posted is only avail in europe. i was told though that the EU and US versions use the same kick ass panel
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: aggressor
I might get flamed..but widescreen? They need a 20 inch 1600x1200 released now :(

WS gaming is the shat. And you really get used to it in everything else... granted 16x12 twenties have more RE... I could go either way personally.

Anyway check out the new LG I mentiioned.

http://www.lgsuperseller.com/product/in...at_id=1000000212&umod_id=192766&flag=1

I'm 99% positive it's next gen as-ips in there since LG tells truth (eg. rise and fall) on specs... unlike some popular brands. And last gen IPS like L2013P and Dell 2005FPW were advertised as 16ms.. this is 8ms
 

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Originally posted by: aggressor
I might get flamed..but widescreen? They need a 20 inch 1600x1200 released now :(

Beside the LG L2000C Zebo mentioned, NEC also has one in the pipeline which, I believe, also uses a fast 8 ms g2g IPS panel:


http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/...e__Details,spec=x__uk__en,docId=145672

However, the specs are slightly different in comparison to the LG (700:1 vs. 800:1, 280 cd vs 300 cd). Therefore, I have sent an e-mail to NEC Poland asking about the panel in the LCD2090UXi as well as other things. Stay tuned.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: Zebo
No love for the Z?
Well, you made a nice, clear review of your display. But it really doesnt help me much.

I've had this bad boy for several months now.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2467

(Note: I didnt pay full retail for it.)

Nothing wrong with that one.. Little slower than i'd like...My second choice would be L2335. Stay tuned for next version, faster, brighter etc since LGP is making a 23" AS-IPS too. It just has'nt found itself inside any monitors yet AFAIK..
 

kmmatney

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Sounds like a sweet monitor. Look like IPS technology is back to being the overall best - hopefully prices will drop a little over the year. This one sounds like a CRT killer for color and black levels.
 

CP5670

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Looks like an awesome LCD especially with that coating, but the Behardware review on this says that the black level still isn't that great compared to the PVA LCDs.