NBA is no more

[ElFenix]

Please correct me if I'm wrong... I hear this argument all the time, but logically I think to myself "well, if people didn't spend their discretionary income on basketball, they will just find something else to spend it on. They won't horde it just because there is no bball".


Am I wrong?

no, you're not. even the most pro-new-stadium studies show that the money just shifts from one entertainment venue to another within a region. better studies tend to show slight decrease in regional economic activity due to new stadiums.

 

[HendrixFan]

That may be part of the owners plan, too.

MotionMan

From what I've read and heard the owners are divided on that issue. The Hornets haven't been sold (the NBA took them over) because some powerful owners don't want the team to sell for just $300M, they want their valuations higher. There is alot of petty politics going on, including Stern's stated desire to not see the NBA contract teams.

 

[manly]

There are plenty of those coming down the pike. They are actually a dime a dozen.

But grabbing the top players from college would do quite nicely.

The revenue might drop off for a short time, but it will turn around soon enough. In fact, I would not be surprised if many college-only fans became NBA fans after a large influx of college players into the "new" NBA over a short period of time.

MotionMan

why stop at collegians?

Just offshore these 400 jobs to some Asians who will play for below U.S. minimum wage.. wouldn't that work just like in manufacturing?

 

[JEDIYoda]

This is horrible news!

How is Lebron going to feed his family?!

I don't want to see my champion hero sucking cock under the bridges of Miami to make ends meet to feed his family!!!

That`s OK...you can give him your spot under the bridge...

 

[zinfamous]

The Mavericks won, and The Heavens were not pleased.

...there you go.

 

[RbSX]

Sorry, I had to come troll this thread, I can't say I'm unhappy seeing a bunch of d-bags be unemployed for a year.

The only league that has more scumbags than the NFL, is without question, the NBA players who are too stupid to realize that the current trend will see an overwhelming portion of existing teams go bankrupt given their current trajectory.

Good riddance. Insert epitaph here.

 

[MotionMan]

why stop at collegians?

Just offshore these 400 jobs to some Asians who will play for below U.S. minimum wage.. wouldn't that work just like in manufacturing?

I assume you are joking/trolling, but, I honestly believe that the drop off from the current NBA players to the top collegiate players is not that far and that, after only a couple years, no one will miss any of the old players.

NBA players are not irreplaceable. They get replaced every year.

MotionMan

 

[DrunkenSano]

The rich players and owners are all spoiled brats. I hope the NBA fails and it is replaced by a system where enjoying the game and giving the fans a good show is more important than multi-million dollar paychecks.

 

[BabaBooey]

In celebration ...a sexy party....:thumbsup:

Are we going to do a pool to see which player ends up in prison first now that they have nothing to do ?

 

[slayer202]

The rich players and owners are all spoiled brats. I hope the NBA fails and it is replaced by a system where enjoying the game and giving the fans a good show is more important than multi-million dollar paychecks.

money is not the issue. I hope society is replaced by a system where people understand what they are talking about

if you don't like the NBA, don't pay for it. whining about greed is silly. they aren't taking advantage of you, are they?

 

[MotionMan]

Are we going to do a pool to see which player ends up in prison first now that they have nothing to do ?

Like professional athletes need to to have nothing to do to end up in prison?

MotionMan

 

[preslove]

no, you're not. even the most pro-new-stadium studies show that the money just shifts from one entertainment venue to another within a region. better studies tend to show slight decrease in regional economic activity due to new stadiums.

srsly

Anyone who believes that pro-sports stadiums, which hold games at most ~81 times a year (baseball), actually improve local economies is an idiot. When they're built in downtowns, stadiums (and their obscene amounts of parking) take up HUGE amounts of very valuable real estate that could be used by many, many, many other businesses and leisure spaces. Stadiums are so big that they also interfere with pedestrian and road traffic, which tends to depress the economic activity in the surrounding area.

"Give me your tax money because my stadium will improve the local economy" is such a transparent lie, that if you believe in it, you should seriously just stop voting and trying to think. You're obviously too stupid to do either one well.

 

[MotionMan]

srsly

Anyone who believes that pro-sports stadiums, which hold games at most ~81 times a year (baseball), actually improve local economies is an idiot. When they're built in downtowns, stadiums (and their obscene amounts of parking) take up HUGE amounts of very valuable real estate that could be used by many, many, many other businesses and leisure spaces. Stadiums are so big that they also interfere with pedestrian and road traffic, which tends to depress the economic activity in the surrounding area.

"Give me your tax money because my stadium will improve the local economy" is such a transparent lie, that if you believe in it, you should seriously just stop voting and trying to think. You're obviously too stupid to do either one well.

I do not necessarily disagree with you, but everyone who works at a stadium might.

MotionMan

 

[slayer202]

82 game season = 41 home games.

that's 41 days where hotels aren't housing players/teams/media/fans.

41 days where those people aren't visiting restaurants, bars, or local shopping.

That money isn't being replaced. The jobs at the arena are big too. However, I'm sure most of the arenas will be hosting other events in the meantime, if possible.

 

[preslove]

I do not necessarily disagree with you, but everyone who works at a stadium might.

MotionMan

People lie to themselves all the time

 

[preslove]

82 game season = 41 home games.

that's 41 days where hotels aren't housing players/teams/media/fans.

41 days where those people aren't visiting restaurants, bars, or local shopping.

That money isn't being replaced. The jobs at the arena are big too. However, I'm sure most of the arenas will be hosting other events in the meantime, if possible.

41 days out of 365. Unfortunately, there aren't THAT many events that can fill large arenas. Plus, you only need one venue of that size to meet the demand.

The thing is, if you allow other entertainment options to take the space of the stadium, then you'll have economic activity going on for almost all of a year's 365 days (maybe not Thanksgiving or Christmas). 41/363 = 11%. So, a basketball stadium is only providing economic activity for 11% of the time of the time competing entertainment options.

The math is very basic. Having a huge, bulky building in your downtown that stands empty for most days of the year is a terrible choice.

 

[Paul98]

These stadiums are going to be used for other events while the NBA season doesn't happen.

 

[preslove]

These stadiums are going to be used for other events while the NBA season doesn't happen.

Sure, but not for that many. Most cities don't have stadium concerts every week. There might be 20-30 events that can fill them up in a year.

Using all that valuable real estate for mixed use entertainment, retail, and residences will provide more economic activity for the entire year. 41 games, plus 30 events is still 294 empty days.

 

[slayer202]

41 days out of 365. Unfortunately, there aren't THAT many events that can fill large arenas. Plus, you only need one venue of that size to meet the demand.

The thing is, if you allow other entertainment options to take the space of the stadium, then you'll have economic activity going on for almost all of a year's 365 days (maybe not Thanksgiving or Christmas). 41/363 = 11%. So, a basketball stadium is only providing economic activity for 11% of the time of the time competing entertainment options.

The math is very basic. Having a huge, bulky building in your downtown that stands empty for most days of the year is a terrible choice.

I think you are underestimating how much the stadiums make, and how many jobs they create. They don't sit empty. Big football stadiums are usually in the middle of nowhere so they aren't taking up prime real estate, but for NBA sized arenas that happen to be in a nice location are probably busy most nights. A canceled season might be a problem because I'm not sure how many events they can book on relatively short notice.

And 11% is not a tiny number. Plus, the days that make up that 11% definitely make up a bigger chunk of each business' revenue than 11%

 

[DrunkenSano]

money is not the issue. I hope society is replaced by a system where people understand what they are talking about

if you don't like the NBA, don't pay for it. whining about greed is silly. they aren't taking advantage of you, are they?

You're crazy if you think money isn't an issue. This is just fueled by greed, pure and simple. The rich wants to get richer.

 

[preslove]

I think you are underestimating how much the stadiums make, and how many jobs they create. They don't sit empty. Big football stadiums are usually in the middle of nowhere so they aren't taking up prime real estate, but for NBA sized arenas that happen to be in a nice location are probably busy most nights. A canceled season might be a problem because I'm not sure how many events they can book on relatively short notice.

And 11% is not a tiny number. Plus, the days that make up that 11% definitely make up a bigger chunk of each business' revenue than 11%

Every single independent study on this issue contradicts you. Downtown stadiums are just corrupt boondoggles.

 

[slayer202]

Every single independent study on this issue contradicts you. Downtown stadiums are just corrupt boondoggles.

Any study I should look at? I find it a bit hard to believe

 

[Nebor]

Any study I should look at? I find it a bit hard to believe

They've always been a scam and will always be a scam. That's why when the bond issue ads go on TV the owners are pushing feelings & ideas (don't you love the team? don't you want to be able to go to lots of games?!) And in a few years when they want to move or want a shiny new building, they just abandon the old busted one.

 

[rh71]

this, but imo, the nhl has some issues to deal with other than just air time t make it more popular

yeah people still have trouble following the black puck on white ice.

 

[slayer202]

Well cities giving money to help build the arenas is another discussion.