NBA is no more

[HendrixFan]

As for my opinion, this whole situation was entirely botched by the raging ego's of Stern and Billy Hunter. Both of those guys are nothing more than self serving shysters and have completely fumbled the negotiating between sides.

While there is alot of truth to that notion, only one side of the table has made serious concessions towards making the NBA more profitable.

 

[SP33Demon]

Good riddance NBA. Don't come back plz.

 

[slayer202]

We should be seeing a decent number of high profile players in Europe. That will definitely be interesting to watch.

Huge blow to the game though, very sad

 

[vi edit]

While there is alot of truth to that notion, only one side of the table has made serious concessions towards making the NBA more profitable.

If I could have, I would have dick punched Stern the other day when he did the "take this crappy offer, or I'll force you to take an even worse one" move. These aren't even negotiations. It's a steaming plate of leverage being served to the players by the owners.

 

[cheezy321]

We should be seeing a decent number of high profile players in Europe. That will definitely be interesting to watch.

Huge blow to the game though, very sad

This is also the same reason why an antitrust lawsuit would never work. I dont get it, the NBA players have tons of other places to make money from their skills. They just wont make nearly as much without the NBA

 

[manly]

If I could have, I would have dick punched Stern the other day when he did the "take this crappy offer, or I'll force you to take an even worse one" move. These aren't even negotiations. It's a steaming plate of leverage being served to the players by the owners.

correct, so I don't agree Billy Hunter's ego was part of the problem. The union has clearly F'd up plenty, Derek Fisher even tried to undermine his own boss and they've always lost the PR battle. But at this point, the NBAPA has offered up 6% of BRI so long as owners don't insist on a hard cap. IMO it's up to the owners if they truly desire NFL-style revenue sharing, not the players to guarantee profits regardless of poor management.

I didn't read it, but HendrixFan linked to business performance over the duration of the expired CBA. Considering the economy is just clawing out of The Great Recession, it's not exactly surprising some teams have lost money the past couple years. Many have handed out terrible contracts, and many if not most have taken advantage of accounting loopholes to create paper losses.

 

[HendrixFan]

If I could have, I would have dick punched Stern the other day when he did the "take this crappy offer, or I'll force you to take an even worse one" move. These aren't even negotiations. It's a steaming plate of leverage being served to the players by the owners.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7237512/save-us-nba-commissioner-david-stern

This article does a great job elaborating on that point you just made.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Eventually, something like the big NBA organization is doomed to fail, especially with globalization. It is basically inevitable.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Eventually, something like the big NBA organization is doomed to fail, especially with globalization. It is basically inevitable.

please explain, because I disagree.

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

Good. One less sport to hear everyone tweet & post status update play-by-plays about.

 

[Nebor]

please explain, because I disagree.

How can you disagree before he explains?

 

[IAteYourMother]

How can you disagree before he explains?

I can disagree with the conclusion?

 

[Nebor]

I can disagree with the conclusion?

Aha! I knew it.

 

[lothar]

If only the NFL could have gone with it as well.

 

[cubby1223]

If I could have, I would have dick punched Stern the other day when he did the "take this crappy offer, or I'll force you to take an even worse one" move. These aren't even negotiations. It's a steaming plate of leverage being served to the players by the owners.

Those poor abused players, I really feel deeply for them and their situation
http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

 

[IAteYourMother]

Those poor abused players, I really feel deeply for them and their situation
http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

yes, they shouldn't maximize their own value. What a stupid and tired argument.

 

[HendrixFan]

Those poor abused players, I really feel deeply for them and their situation
http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

The NBA pulls in revenue of $4.5B or so each year on the backs of around 400 players total. That is but a small slice of the pie, especially considering the NBA absolutely cannot exist without them.

 

[MotionMan]

The NBA pulls in revenue of $4.5B or so each year on the backs of around 400 players total. That is but a small slice of the pie, especially considering the NBA absolutely cannot exist without them.

Who can they not exist without?

Considering there are players currently in high school or the college "one and dones", not to mention the able-bodied juniors and seniors, all willing and able to play professional basketball.

The one constant is always change, even in NBA superstars.

MotionMan

 

[HendrixFan]

Who can they not exist without?

The select few elite athletes.

If you want the 400 best basketball players in the world to come play in your league, those league minimums that he posted are more than fair. The league faltered in the late 90s and early 00s when they had a dearth of talent.

 

[RPD]

Who can they not exist without?

Considering there are players currently in high school or the college "one and dones", not to mention the able-bodied juniors and seniors, all willing and able to play professional basketball.

The one constant is always change, even in NBA superstars.

MotionMan

This, just like any other job, they are replaceable.

 

[MotionMan]

The select few elite athletes.

There are plenty of those coming down the pike. They are actually a dime a dozen.

MotionMan

 

[HendrixFan]

This, just like any other job, they are replaceable.

And if you were to clean the slate and add 400 new players they wouldn't come close to generating $4.5B in revenue annually (and growing).

You can always replace anyone in any position. But will the replacement perform as well and deliver good results? When we are talking about top tier athletes, guys who make up the 0.0001% or so, they aren't functionally replaceable.

When Lebron left Cleveland the Cavs' team value dropped $150M. It is estimated Lebron's worth is between $60-80M annually to a team. Grabbing some random AAU guys wouldn't quite work.

 

[HendrixFan]

There are plenty of those coming down the pike. They are actually a dime a dozen.

MotionMan

Honestly, we don't even have enough for a 30 team league. The NBA needs to drop 2-3 teams so there isn't so much subpar talent spread around.

 

[MotionMan]

And if you were to clean the slate and add 400 new players they wouldn't come close to generating $4.5B in revenue annually (and growing).

You can always replace anyone in any position. But will the replacement perform as well and deliver good results? When we are talking about top tier athletes, guys who make up the 0.0001% or so, they aren't functionally replaceable.

When Lebron left Cleveland the Cavs' team value dropped $150M. It is estimated Lebron's worth is between $60-80M annually to a team. Grabbing some random AAU guys wouldn't quite work.

But grabbing the top players from college would do quite nicely.

The revenue might drop off for a short time, but it will turn around soon enough. In fact, I would not be surprised if many college-only fans became NBA fans after a large influx of college players into the "new" NBA over a short period of time.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Honestly, we don't even have enough for a 30 team league. The NBA needs to drop 2-3 teams so there isn't so much subpar talent spread around.

That may be part of the owners plan, too.

MotionMan