Nasa proves biblical events?????

[DAPUNISHER]

you asre being a judgemental tool! I said I recieved it, nothing more, nor did I proclaim my spiritual belief in said events or higher power.

 

[BD231]

You guy's are crazy, that whole glitch thing was suppose to be a work of God, like a sign, hence the "here's something that shows God's awesome creation and shows that He is still in control". Like it had anything to do with the damn computer

. If you don't believe in God then this "e-mail" means JACK any way you look at it.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
nice link ThePresence thanx Kiyup go piss up a rope for the completely usless comment post count++ huh? :disgust:

I think you should put your weener on a frozen pole for the completely useless thread. That's worse than a post, no?

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Ameesh

i feel sorry for you and your offspring.

again where do I state I believed it? and I fail to see how you addressed the question concerning mathmatical abberations which is the answer I was curious about. another judgemental lifer

and I don'yt need you to feel sorry for me man, I have a beautiful wife and child a nice home and well adjusted life but thanks anyways I think you better save your pity for the lost time you spend in ATOT, it's pathetic :disgust:

where did i state you believe it

 

[Jittles]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

give me a break you dont want to hear anything that would refute your precious book. and math, science, and reason are lost on the people who write and forward these idiotic emails.

the bible says pi is 3, do you believe that?

For reals? Where's it say that pi is 3? I wanna see that

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: justint
It astounds me that anyone would ever give this more than a cursory thought before immediately deleting it. Our educational system at work.

He was simply wishing for someone to either validate or prove the story false. Just because he found it interesting and asked for me information doesn't mean he thought it was true.

Thank you sir someone who's reading comprehension isn't challenged and who doesn't rush to judgement is a refreshing change in this forum. That is precisely why I posted this as I've re-iterated several times already.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Anyone with a decent grasp of mathematics could disprove this in 20 seconds, even disregarding that it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Basically, any computer simulation of the past would be working backwards from current positions of the objects (sun, moon, earth, etc.). If god did happen to freeze the earth rotation and moon's orbit for a day that freeze is already incorporated into the current positions. Without sending an observer back through time to before the event there is no way to see that (for example) the moon is half an orbit off from where the simulation says it should be in 200 BC. Only the time traveller would know to "raise a red flag."

This letter is psuedoscience written by someone who doesn't understand how computer simulations and extrapolation work. Right in there with Creation Science and the sequel Intelligent Design.

Bingo. The only way we could see an aberration in a computer simulation is to have precise readings of the locations of planets and moons both before and after the "stoppage of the sun."

 

[petrek]

it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Say what?

D

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Jittles

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

give me a break you dont want to hear anything that would refute your precious book. and math, science, and reason are lost on the people who write and forward these idiotic emails.

the bible says pi is 3, do you believe that?

For reals? Where's it say that pi is 3? I wanna see that

It's been posted here a number of times. Something about how a room was exactly 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around IIRC.

It was actually in a thread that was about how some state wanted to change the official value of pi back to the biblically correct "3" in all the school books.


edit: formatting

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
nice link ThePresence thanx Kiyup go piss up a rope for the completely usless comment post count++ huh? :disgust:

I think you should put your weener on a frozen pole for the completely useless thread. That's worse than a post, no?

did you have to respond to it then? of course not, and you only bumped it by replying so you are only showing you are illogical and judgemental by posting in such a thread. BTW you haven't said anything intelligent yet so feel free to start anytime

 

[justint]

Well my mathematical idea on this whole thing is based on the fact that no thier is no way to tell if planetary motion is off in the PAST. Unless of course you have that working time travel machine. However, to predict the orbits and motion of bodies for use in spacecraft you would exprapolate future positions from current positions and use known laws of physics to do so. The whole e-mail makes no sense from the point of view of how someone would actually model celestial motion.

The following NASA page does a good job of explaining it.

NASA

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

getting a little personal eh? i hit some buttons? thats your problem because you see, you created the thread.

suck it!

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: petrek

it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Say what?

You locate and navigate satellites, landers, probes based on future positions of objects, extrapolated from current positions (or relatively current). If you're launching a Mars probe what do you care about the position of Mars in 200 BC?

It's actually true that when first writing a simulation package you might use past data and run the simulation "backwards" to check your model, though more likely you would start your model some time in the past and run it forward to see how it matches up with current reality. In either case you'd need extremely accurate data, and any aberration / "red flag" would not show up until your simulation crossed over the time of the event (God stopping the Earth), and only if you had the real data for comparison, which certainly does not exist for biblical times.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Jittles

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

give me a break you dont want to hear anything that would refute your precious book. and math, science, and reason are lost on the people who write and forward these idiotic emails.

the bible says pi is 3, do you believe that?

For reals? Where's it say that pi is 3? I wanna see that

1 Kings 7:23

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: justint
Well my mathematical idea on this whole thing is based on the fact that no thier is no way to tell if planetary motion is off in the PAST. Unless of course you have that working time travel machine. However, to predict the orbits and motion of bodies for use in spacecraft you would exprapolate future positions from current positions and use known laws of physics to do so. The whole e-mail makes no sense from the point of view of how someone would actually model celestial motion.

The following NASA page does a good job of explaining it.

NASA

That was an excellent link and precisely the type of information I find relevent to my initial question thank you

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: petrek

it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Say what?

You locate and navigate satellites, landers, probes based on future positions of objects, extrapolated from current positions (or relatively current). If you're launching a Mars probe what do you care about the position of Mars in 200 BC?

It's actually true that when first writing a simulation package you might use past data and run the simulation "backwards" to check your model, though more likely you would start your model some time in the past and run it forward to see how it matches up with current reality. In either case you'd need extremely accurate data, and any abberation / "red flag" would not show up until your simulation crossed over the time of the event (God stopping the Earth), and only if you had the real data for comparison, which certainly does not exist for biblical times.

Exactly my thoughts. It is the absence of data from those times that makes this story completely unbelievable.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: petrek

it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Say what?

You locate and navigate satellites, landers, probes based on future positions of objects, extrapolated from current positions (or relatively current). If you're launching a Mars probe what do you care about the position of Mars in 200 BC?

It's actually true that when first writing a simulation package you might use past data and run the simulation "backwards" to check your model, though more likely you would start your model some time in the past and run it forward to see how it matches up with current reality. In either case you'd need extremely accurate data, and any abberation / "red flag" would not show up until your simulation crossed over the time of the event (God stopping the Earth), and only if you had the real data for comparison, which certainly does not exist for biblical times.

Excellent post, thanx for the lesson as I know nothing of the subject and it was this type of knowledgable explaination debunking the paper that I was seeking so thank you

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

getting a little personal eh? i hit some buttons? thats your problem because you see, you created the thread.

suck it!

you amuse me dance for us fool

 

[Evadman]

There is evidence of a "great flood". I remember watching a show on it about 10 years ago or so. I think it was on the Medeteranian sea, and the fact that there was a huge underground trough cut by water as it flowed into the sea from the atlantic.

Or it was on the black sea being filled from the medeterainian, with a huge trough cut through the access when the "finger" of land failed.

I don't remember which unfortunately, but I am leaning towards the black sea, since I remember another show where they found buildings and villages on the bottom.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: justint
Well my mathematical idea on this whole thing is based on the fact that no thier is no way to tell if planetary motion is off in the PAST. Unless of course you have that working time travel machine. However, to predict the orbits and motion of bodies for use in spacecraft you would exprapolate future positions from current positions and use known laws of physics to do so. The whole e-mail makes no sense from the point of view of how someone would actually model celestial motion.

The following NASA page does a good job of explaining it.

NASA

Good link, nice to have NASA backing me up

When many Christians get defensive about hoaxes like this, they're missing the point -- the fact that they can't use NASA to prove a biblical event doesn't mean that it didn't happen, it just means there is no proof of it one way or the other.

And trying to bring faith into the classroom (intelligent design, creationism) is a similar mistake. God may well exist and may have created us all (including the dinosaurs, much longer than 5,000 years ago) but you can't prove it through science.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Jittles

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.

Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters

give me a break you dont want to hear anything that would refute your precious book. and math, science, and reason are lost on the people who write and forward these idiotic emails.

the bible says pi is 3, do you believe that?

For reals? Where's it say that pi is 3? I wanna see that

It's been posted here a number of times. Something about how a room was exactly 10 cubits across and 30 cubits around IIRC.

It was actually in a thread that was about how some state wanted to change the official value of pi back to the biblically correct "3" in all the school books.


edit: formatting

The Bible does NOT say that Pi=3
Only people with no understanding of the history of mathematics believe that. As "zero" was not invented in mathematics until the first century AD and the Arabic numeric system until centuries after that, Hebrew, like many ancient languages, used letters for numbers (similar to the Romans) and had no decimal points or decimals. Even at that, they still had one of the most advanced mathematical systems for ~1000 BC (the passage is in reference to building the circular font at Solomon's Temple).
Text

edit: more text

The hunt for pi began in Egypt and in Babylon about two thousand years before Christ. The Egyptians obtained the value (4/3)^4 and the Babylonians the value 3 1/8 for pi. About the same time, the Indians used the square root of 10 for pi. These approximations to pi had an error only as from the second decimal place.

(4/3)^4 = 3,160493827...

3 1/8 = 3.125

root 10 = 3,16227766...

pi = 3,1415926535...

The next indication of the value of pi occurs in the Bible. It is found in 1 Kings chapter 7 verse 23, where using the Authorised Version, it is written "... and he made a molten sea, ten cubits from one brim to the other : it was round about ... and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." Thus their value of pi was approximately 3. Even though this is not as accurate as values obtained by the Egyptians, Babylonians and Indians, it was good enough for measurements needed at that time.

Jewish rabbinical tradition asserts that there is a much more accurate approximation for pi hidden in the original Hebrew text of the said verse and 2 Chronicles 4:2. In English, the word 'round' is used in both verses. But in the original Hebrew, the words meaning 'round' are different. Now, in Hebrew, letters of the alphabet represent numbers. Thus the two words represent two numbers. And - wait for this - the ratio of the two numbers represents a very accurate continued fraction representation of pi! Question is, is that a coincidence or ...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

many historical events are incorporated in to various religious mythos I just find it amusing that if you mention the word bible in ATOT many have an instant knee jerk reaction of "get a rope" as if ready for a good witch burning

 

[BD231]

Exactly my thoughts. It is the absence of data from those times that makes this story completely unbelievable.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT YOU DUMB FVCKS

Someone saying this event happened means that divine intervention is the only possible explanation, open your frikin eyes :frown:.

 

[petrek]

It's actually true that when first writing a simulation package you might use past data and run the simulation "backwards" to check your model, though more likely you would start your model some time in the past and run it forward to see how it matches up with current reality.

That's all I was getting at, the necessity of past data points.

D

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
nice link ThePresence thanx Kiyup go piss up a rope for the completely usless comment post count++ huh? :disgust:

I think you should put your weener on a frozen pole for the completely useless thread. That's worse than a post, no?

did you have to respond to it then? of course not, and you only bumped it by replying so you are only showing you are illogical and judgemental by posting in such a thread. BTW you haven't said anything intelligent yet so feel free to start anytime

Now if that is an example to take your own advice before passing along if I ever did see one!