Nasa proves biblical events?????

DAPUNISHER

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I recieved this chain e-mail today and found it interesting though the veracity of the data is dubious, so I'm submitting it to so that some of the members here who have a backround in astro-physics, astronomy or other relevent sciences can affirm or debunk the data the message claims NASA provided. the biblical passages need no comment as they are clearly referenced so that only the DATA about the missing day ect. needs to be examined. For those who will undoubtedly voice an opinion without the expertise to validate it I say to you
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EDIT: helps if I include the e-mail
NASA and the Bible

For all the scientists out there and for all the students who have a
hard time convincing these
people regarding the truth of the Bible...here's something that shows
God's awesome
creation and shows that He is still in control.

Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has been
called "myth" in the
Bible is true? Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company
in Baltimore Maryland
and a consultant in the space program, relates the following
development.

"I think one of the most amazing things that God has for us today
happened recently to our astronauts
and space scientists at Greenbelt, Maryland. They were checking the
position of the sun, moon, and
planets out in space where they would be 100 years and 1000 years from
now. We have to
know this so we won't send a satellite up and have it bump into
something later on in its orbits.

We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite and
where the planets
will be so the whole thing will not bog down.

They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries and
it came to a halt. The
computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant that there was
something wrong either with
the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the
standards. They called in the service
department to check it out and they said, "What's wrong?" Well, they
found there is a day missing in
space in elapsed time. They scratched their heads and tore their hair.

There was no answer.

Finally, a Christian man on the team said, "You know, one time I was in
Sunday School and they talked
about the sun standing still. "While they didn't believe him, they
didn't have an answer either, so they said,
"Show us."

He got a Bible and went back to the book of Joshua where they found a
pretty ridiculous statement
for any one with "common sense." There they found the Lord saying to
Joshua, "Fear them not, I have
delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man of them stand before
thee."

Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy and if
darkness fell they would
overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still!

That's right-"The sun stood still and the moon stayed-and hasted not to
go down about a whole day!"
(Joshua 10:12-13)

The astronauts and scientists said, "There is the missing day!" They
checked the computers going back
into the time it was written and found it was close but not close
enough. The elapsed time that was missing
back in Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes - not a whole day.

They read the Bible and there it was "about (approximately) a day"
These little words in the Bible are
important, but they were still in trouble because if you cannot account
for 40 minutes you'll still
be in trouble 1,000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found
because it can be multiplied many
times over in orbits.

As the Christian employee thought about it, he remembered somewhere in
the Bible where it said the
sun went BACKWARDS. The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but
they got out the
Book and read these words in 2 Kings that told of the following story:
Hezekiah, on his deathbed,
was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he was not going to
die. Hezekiah asked for a
sign as proof. Isaiah said "Do you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees?"
Hezekiah said "It is
nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let the shadow return
backward 10 degrees."
Isaiah spoke to the Lord and the Lord brought the shadow ten degrees
BACKWARD!

Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes! Twenty-three hours and 20 minutes in
Joshua, plus 40 minutes in
Second Kings make the missing day in the universe!" Isn't it amazing?

References: Joshua 10:8 and 12,13 and 2 Kings 20:9-11.
 

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This story has been circulating in its NASA version at least since the 1960s, largely due to its promulgation by one Harold Hill, who says that he was present at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center when the above events allegedly took place. NASA denies that this ever occurred, and Hill, the former president of the Curtis Engine Company of Baltimore, was involved in diesel engine operations at Goddard and had no involvement with any computer operations. The story predates Hill's NASA version, and goes back to Charles A. L. Totten's _Joshua's Long Day and the Dial of Ahaz: A Scientific Vindication_ (1890). Hill published his version in Harold Hill, as told to Irene Burk Harrell, _How to Live Like a King's Kid_, 1974, Logos International. (Logos International was a Christian publisher with no qualms about publishing phony testimonies--it also published Mike Warnke's _The Satan Seller_, Michael Esses' _Michael, Michael, Why Do You Hate Me?_, and Fernand Navarra's _Noah's Ark--I Touched It_, all of which have been debunked.)

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don't people know to check out snopes
before forwarding emails to all their friends

snopes.com says this is false

just search for 'nasa'
 

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nice link ThePresence thanx :)Kiyup go piss up a rope for the completely usless comment ;) post count++ huh? :disgust:
 

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Well you can't make the sun stop, you have to stop the rotation of the Earth.
 
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So All the mathmatical computations and equasions put into the computer program, had the Bible in mind when it computed the prob. This is a chain email, it's praying on the weak minded, like all mass mailings and religon does.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well you can't make the sun stop, you have to stop the rotation of the Earth.
Of course we can't but if there is a omnipotent/omnipresent being I'm sure it would be doable ;)

 

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10 degrees is not EXACTLY 40 minutes, otherwise we wouldn't have leap years.

Also, they're computing 100 years and 1000 years into the FUTURE. It doesn't matter if the whole universe froze in place for 3 weeks at some point in history. They're calculating what's going to happen in the future. If they didn't know the universe had frozen, they wouldn't account for it happening again.

Here's a link debunking the letter.

Also, there is freely available software that can predict the position of celestial bodies well itno the future without raising any "red flags"
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
So All the mathmatical computations and equasions put into the computer program, had the Bible in mind when it computed the prob.
That's poorly reasoned, it states no such thing perhaps your reading comprehension is challenged :p

 

Mookow

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If you believed that BS, even for a moment, please do the world the favor of not reproducing.

Note this isnt aimed at DAPUNISHER specifically
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well you can't make the sun stop, you have to stop the rotation of the Earth.

Well since love makes the world go 'round, to do that you have to stop loving your fellow man. This is the first step to that end. Lying and decieving mankind.

Having said that, I wonder what would have happened if a solar eclipse happened back in the day when no hewmon knew what the hell was going on. They probably thought the Lord had stopped the sun from shining.
 

0roo0roo

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wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.
 

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It astounds me that anyone would ever give this more than a cursory thought before immediately deleting it. Our educational system at work.
 

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.
Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters ;)
 

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Originally posted by: justint
It astounds me that anyone would ever give this more than a cursory thought before immediately deleting it. Our educational system at work.
show me the mathmatical model for the celestial mechanics and why there can be no abberant statitical phenomenon genius or join the others at the rope :)
 

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Anyone with a decent grasp of mathematics could disprove this in 20 seconds, even disregarding that it would have been pointless to locate a satellite based on past positions of celestial objects.

Basically, any computer simulation of the past would be working backwards from current positions of the objects (sun, moon, earth, etc.). If god did happen to freeze the earth rotation and moon's orbit for a day that freeze is already incorporated into the current positions. Without sending an observer back through time to before the event there is no way to see that (for example) the moon is half an orbit off from where the simulation says it should be in 200 BC. Only the time traveller would know to "raise a red flag."

This letter is psuedoscience written by someone who doesn't understand how computer simulations and extrapolation work. Right in there with Creation Science and the sequel Intelligent Design.
 

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Originally posted by: justint
It astounds me that anyone would ever give this more than a cursory thought before immediately deleting it. Our educational system at work.

He was simply wishing for someone to either validate or prove the story false. Just because he found it interesting and asked for me information doesn't mean he thought it was true.

 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, a chain email, great source for legit information.

yesterday my bsod proved the validity of 0roo0roos new testament.
Did I state I believed it? typical judgemental response from the ATOT pimple farmers who think of nothing but post count++. I wanted to hear in explaination for the celestial mechanics that would refute or affirm wether there are mathmatical irregularities and if it's considered a reasonable margin of error or abberation with no mathmatical answer thus propitiating the continued claims by religious people or shutting down their claims catagorically. Feel free to piss up a rope with the other useless posters ;)

give me a break you dont want to hear anything that would refute your precious book. and math, science, and reason are lost on the people who write and forward these idiotic emails.

the bible says pi is 3, do you believe that?
 

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Heh, it's kinda funny cause a full day is ~ 23hrs 56 minutes + a little change + a few varying sine curves...
 

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
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i feel sorry for you and your offspring.
again where do I state I believed it? and I fail to see how you addressed the question concerning mathmatical abberations which is the answer I was curious about. another judgemental lifer
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and I don'yt need you to feel sorry for me man, I have a beautiful wife and child a nice home and well adjusted life but thanks anyways I think you better save your pity for the lost time you spend in ATOT, it's pathetic :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: CubicZirconia
Originally posted by: justint
It astounds me that anyone would ever give this more than a cursory thought before immediately deleting it. Our educational system at work.

He was simply wishing for someone to either validate or prove the story false. Just because he found it interesting and asked for me information doesn't mean he thought it was true.

I didn't say he believed it. Nowhere in this thread did he say that he believed it. I was simply stating that it astounds me that people would believe that. A previous poster already showed that it was apocryphal. The people who would go for this strike me as the same types who would fall for the Nigerian money scam.