Nancy Pelosi refuses to yield

[Moonbeam]

I was responding to an apparent poll number that YOU cited to support your opinion. Screw to polls...it's now so blatantly obvious that this country needs more "real Americans"...just like you.

If I understand this, the only poll number I gave was a guessed at 87% made up of real Americans and voters and I did so because the republicans have taken a stand so morally outrageous as to leave only likely White Supremacist satisfied. I didn't give a percentage of that 87% showing the percentage of voters vs real Americans. I do know that no real American would want the parents of children who have grown up American returned at this late date. It would be too much for a bleeding heart liberal to deal with. I believe the average American is ignorant of what chain migration actually amounts to, having instead bigoted and distorted right wing media fanned horse shit opinions instead. I also believe that immigration numbers should be rationally based and dependent on the number of low information bigoted and racists republicans we can simultaneously deport to China, or the China sea if arrangements can't be negotiated. It's hard to find a place that wants criminals and other forms of worthless scum in their country. On the last point, good news, the number of Trump colon polyps is down to 36% That would be sufficient for a Real America that didn't have a blocked colon to impeach. I mean, we have to take these poll numbers seriously.

 

[brandonbull]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/us/politics/pelosi-dreamers-budget-deal.html

Nancy Pelosi stood and spoke non-stop for 8 hours today on behalf of DACA recipients. That is a very respectable amount of time and I salute her for standing up for these soon-to-be Americans. I hadn't thought much of Pelosi before, but wasting 8 hours of Pual Ryan's time is exactly what I want my representatives in congress to be doing. She is accomplishing amazing things here.


We can only hope that we will get more congressional representatives like Pelosi. The democrats have good representation right now with Pelosi and Schumer. As long as democrats don't fall for concern trolling bernie bots and throw them out we will do great.

Where is that energy when it's time to support Americans? I guess granny still has some left in the tank when it's prime time news making day. I guess 8 more hours of wasted time is a drop in the bucket to the Progressheviks.

 

[brandonbull]

And I'd venture that 95% of those 65% didn't give a shit about 'chain migration' (aka family reunification) until the White House turned it into the boogeyman. This has got to be the dumbest immigration proposal on record (would stop 66-75% of legal immigration) and the only reason I can think of it is that it's a poison pill to prevent Democrats (and many Republicans) from taking any action on the WH proposal. Family reunification helps ensure that American taxpayers are not funding immigrants--their families are. It helps ensure that the people coming over will work harder to build something or create something in order to have a legacy for their families. Cherry-picking people who could have done just as well at home but come here solely for personal financial gain doesn't honor the legacy of those who came before us.

Pass DREAM Act - Yes
Increase funds for border security - Yes (even with funding for the wall) but appropriate the funds properly--don't turn it into an entitlement which is what the WH wants.
Eliminate the visa lottery - Yes
End family reunification - No. Can compromise by putting caps on family reunification but eliminating it altogether is stupid.

Why?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If we cared what all "real Americans" and most of the voting public (by a wide margin) really wanted, then a ~30% approval and ~34% of all eligible voters (Actually, I think it is more like 27% considering the turnout?) candidate would have never been elected.

"Real Americans" vote and they made their choice. I'm not particularly happy about it either...but crybaby posts like yours are pathetic.

 

[Vic]

"Illegal immigrants are a blessing, they are doing what the Founding Fathers would wish, they are the best of the best, more American than Americans, reinvigorating, they are fabulous, beautiful, and patriotic, yes, very patriotic."

We get it Nancy. Message received. Illegals good, the rest of us bad.

As usual, you're an idiot. I usually try to avoid namecalling, but in your case that's not possible.

 

[UNCjigga]

Why?

So we can pass a bill, end this debate and move on to other things?

Trump's whole issue with this is that he thinks one person can bring an unlimited # of relatives...this is stupid. Green card holders are already limited to spouse and unmarried children. Once they are citizens (7-10 years later) they can bring other relatives (parents/grandparents, adult siblings, etc.) but the process still takes time and it's expensive to sponsor, and few will put forth the effort for someone who won't do well here, because who would want someone mooching off of them?

Oh, and because one of these people turned out to be a terrorist, we need to end 66-70% of legal immigration? Want to put a cap or extra vetting requirements on certain countries? Fine. Don't throw baby out with the bath water.

 

[Vic]

Text from the US Declaration of Independence, the 7th indictment against the King:
"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Pass DREAM Act - Yes
Increase funds for border security - Yes (even with funding for the wall) but appropriate the funds properly--don't turn it into an entitlement which is what the WH wants.

The rub here is that funds were previously promised and were never appropriated. A mere promise isn't going to fly on this one.

Eliminate the visa lottery - Yes

Agree. We need to transition to a merit based system imo.

End family reunification - No. Can compromise by putting caps on family reunification but eliminating it altogether is stupid.

I'm OK with immediate family. Republicans will compromise on this if given a chance imo.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Text from the US Declaration of Independence, the 7th indictment against the King:
"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."

According to Google we average some 1,000,000 new legal immigrants a year, or about 2740 a day. So it would seem your argument is worthless.

 

[Vic]

According to Google we average some 1,000,000 new legal immigrants a year, or about 2740 a day. So it would seem your argument is worthless.

My argument has nothing to do with the numbers. It's about how the anti-immigration crowd fancies themselves patriots, in the same mold as the Founding Fathers, while being seemingly being ignorant of the fact that the Founding Fathers were all strongly pro-immigration.
BTW, if you bother to look it up (which I know you won't), you might find out that the Founding Fathers' primary grievance against King George with regards to immigration wasn't just that he prevented immigration to the colonies, but that he passed laws preventing immigrants already residing in the colonies from becoming legal colonial citizens. Sound familiar?
BTW, a personal note, your ongoing use of straw men, false generalizations, and outright lies reflects poorly, not just on your character, but on your arguments. You appear intellectually lazy and rabidly partisan. Such persons aren't worth arguing with, and should rightly be disregarded. So if you're acting that way because you feel disregarded, you might want to consider your own involvement there.

 

[dyna]

Pelosi, the new face for Depends for women. That was an amazing endurance speech, good for her. She also told a story about her grandson wanting to have brown skin/eyes. She better watch out, that might be interpreted as racist!

 

[zinfamous]

"Real Americans" vote and they made their choice. I'm not particularly happy about it either...but crybaby posts like yours are pathetic.

So if "real americans" are the ones that vote--and that means only 42% of our population...and as you would prefer to get all of those "not-real Americans!" out of this country...we should deport 58% and maybe more of our entire population?

What a strange claim for you to make.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So if "real americans" are the ones that vote--and that means only 42% of our population...and as you would prefer to get all of those "not-real Americans!" out of this country...we should deport 58% and maybe more of our entire population?

What a strange claim for you to make.

Yeah...that's exactly what I meant! /s

You're not very bright it seems....just saying.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah...that's exactly what I meant! /s

You're not very bright it seems....just saying.

I'm just having fun here, DSF.

 

[Jhhnn]

I love the way the anti-immigrant stiff dicks manage to make it so abstract, so depersonalized.

Who are the Dreamers? They're people brought to this country as children & raised as our own. They went to the same schools as our children, played on the same sports teams, joined the same clubs. It's the only life many of them have ever known.

What do they want? The right to keep living their lives. We can argue that they never should have been here or that Obama should not have created DACA & blah, blah, blah forever. That's not the way it it is, however.

Will we do right by these people, or not? Why wouldn't we? Why is it even up for debate?

 

[Vic]

I'm just having fun here, DSF.

Not really. Being against LEGAL immigration is the same as being against the proposition that all persons are created equal. The conservatives are trying to turn the Shining City on a Hill into just like every other country.