Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
The ignorance is strong with this one.
Originally posted by: Ktulu
30+ MPG's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will this be the first 400+hp car to achieve this?
Originally posted by: jjessico
I was under the impression that the SS camaros differ from the Z28 by bigger fuel injectors and better intake flow. False?
Originally posted by: Salvador
Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM
Yeah.. GM is way too conservative. You have to hand to Ford and Chrysler having the balls to put what is pretty close to their concepts into production.
One big advantage that Chrysler is going to have is that the Challenger is slated for production in '07 and the Camaro isn't supposed to be out until '09. GM was late to the game as usual. If GM wanted it bad enough, they could put it into production sooner. Look at how fast Ford put the Ford GT into production after the concept was unveiled.
This all reminds me of 1965. Ford had a huge hit with the Mustang and then every one else wanted a piece of the pie. Same thing is happening now. They can't make the new Ford Mustang fast enough. They had to cut off the orders at one point and tell their customers that they couldn't make any more 2005 models.
Apparently, GM was wrong in thinking that this segment of the market was dead when they discontinued the F Body (Firebird and Camaro) in 2002. It wasn't that the market was dead for this type of car. It was that they needed to build a better car.
Which leads me to the problem with GM. They can complain all they want about this or that, but it all boils down to the product. I blame poor management decisions for GM's problems and nothing else.
Originally posted by: redly1
Originally posted by: Salvador
Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM
Yeah.. GM is way too conservative. You have to hand to Ford and Chrysler having the balls to put what is pretty close to their concepts into production.
One big advantage that Chrysler is going to have is that the Challenger is slated for production in '07 and the Camaro isn't supposed to be out until '09. GM was late to the game as usual. If GM wanted it bad enough, they could put it into production sooner. Look at how fast Ford put the Ford GT into production after the concept was unveiled.
This all reminds me of 1965. Ford had a huge hit with the Mustang and then every one else wanted a piece of the pie. Same thing is happening now. They can't make the new Ford Mustang fast enough. They had to cut off the orders at one point and tell their customers that they couldn't make any more 2005 models.
Apparently, GM was wrong in thinking that this segment of the market was dead when they discontinued the F Body (Firebird and Camaro) in 2002. It wasn't that the market was dead for this type of car. It was that they needed to build a better car.
Which leads me to the problem with GM. They can complain all they want about this or that, but it all boils down to the product. I blame poor management decisions for GM's problems and nothing else.
Describe to me in detail what is technically wrong with, say, a 2000 Camaro SS with SLP package. I've got a co-worker with a big head. He just happens to own one
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
The ignorance is strong with me.
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Its ugly, and I like Camaros!
Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Saw it at the LA Auto Show - AWESOME![]()
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
The ignorance is strong with me.
Fixed.
IRS offers better handling than a live axle setup. This is a fact.
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
The ignorance is strong with me.
Fixed.
IRS offers better handling than a live axle setup. This is a fact.
Not only is it a fact, but it's common knowledge. Why would you want a solid axle in a car?
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo
So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?
The ignorance is strong with me.
Fixed.
IRS offers better handling than a live axle setup. This is a fact.
Not only is it a fact, but it's common knowledge. Why would you want a solid axle in a car?
Well I would never buy a Camaro/Mustang if I wanted to have fun in twisties. They're way too big for that, IMO. Since I'd only have one for straight-line purposes, I'd want a solid axle, which is much better at putting down power.
Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Saw it at the LA Auto Show - AWESOME![]()
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
That is the kind of thinking that used to prevent American companies from making world class sports cars. There are plenty of high horsepower cars with IRS.. like the Viper. It does fine tuned to 800hp with its IRS. I'm pretty sure a Camaro is going to be fine.