NAIAS 2006 Chevy Camaro Concept

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Vich
Looks hot!!


How much HP did the last gen camaro have the SS version?

355 or so iirc

335 hp actually

sure thats the SS and not the Z28 they listed? because i thought the Aniversary Edition had 355

Hmm.... I'm not sure

There is an SLP version that is rated at 345HP. That being said, a regular Z28 will dyno the same as a SS and SLP packaged Camaro. Same thing with a Formula/Trans Am, they will put down just as much power, and sometimes more than a WS6/Firehawk. As long as they are both the same transmissions(manuals tend to put down more HP consistently). Just remember, an LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1.

False, there are all kinds of tweaks that can be done.

fuel management specifically.

 

[DougK62]

IRS, booo

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Vich
Looks hot!!


How much HP did the last gen camaro have the SS version?

355 or so iirc

335 hp actually

sure thats the SS and not the Z28 they listed? because i thought the Aniversary Edition had 355

Hmm.... I'm not sure

There is an SLP version that is rated at 345HP. That being said, a regular Z28 will dyno the same as a SS and SLP packaged Camaro. Same thing with a Formula/Trans Am, they will put down just as much power, and sometimes more than a WS6/Firehawk. As long as they are both the same transmissions(manuals tend to put down more HP consistently). Just remember, an LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1.

False, there are all kinds of tweaks that can be done.

fuel management specifically.

Well if you "tweak" anything it will no longer be stock and the stock ratings mean nothing. Completely stock for stock, Z28's and Trans Ams can, and have, dynoed more than the SS/SLP/WS6/Firehawk versions.

 

[arcenite]

omghi that car is hot

 

[jjessico]

I was under the impression that the SS camaros differ from the Z28 by bigger fuel injectors and better intake flow. False?

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Specific Changes
Injectors and such changed by year, not by package.

Pretty much everything you need to know.
Lots to learn, if you are curious.

An LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1
Dyno tests.

 

[Salvador]

I agree. They did a great job with the new Camaro concept. Let's see how close the real car is though to the concept. That's been GM's big problem. The production models never end up looking nearly as good as the concepts.

I think that I like the looks of the Challenger a bit better. The side looks a lot cleaner to me. Both cars look like they could've been penned by the same designer though. There are definitely some similarites.

30 mpg out of a LSx isn't a big deal. I get 28 mpg out of my LS6. Remember.. This is only when I'm cruising along on the hiway in 6th gear revving just above idle. Most of the time, I get far less than 28 mpg.

 

[Hammer]

the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

Sky, Solstice, Lucerne, Tahoe...

they are breaking into stride and i swear that people will ignore them, but damnit if hteir vehicles wont become ALL class leaders.

 

[Homerboy]

how the hell are my kids going to fit in that back seat?!

 

[Salvador]

Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

Yeah.. GM is way too conservative. You have to hand to Ford and Chrysler having the balls to put what is pretty close to their concepts into production.

One big advantage that Chrysler is going to have is that the Challenger is slated for production in '07 and the Camaro isn't supposed to be out until '09. GM was late to the game as usual. If GM wanted it bad enough, they could put it into production sooner. Look at how fast Ford put the Ford GT into production after the concept was unveiled.

This all reminds me of 1965. Ford had a huge hit with the Mustang and then every one else wanted a piece of the pie. Same thing is happening now. They can't make the new Ford Mustang fast enough. They had to cut off the orders at one point and tell their customers that they couldn't make any more 2005 models.

Apparently, GM was wrong in thinking that this segment of the market was dead when they discontinued the F Body (Firebird and Camaro) in 2002. It wasn't that the market was dead for this type of car. It was that they needed to build a better car.

Which leads me to the problem with GM. They can complain all they want about this or that, but it all boils down to the product. I blame poor management decisions for GM's problems and nothing else.

 

[SuperSix]

Doesn't have enough retro details to it - doesn't pull me back like the Mustang, Challenger, etc do.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

Sky, Solstice, Lucerne, Tahoe...

they are breaking into stride and i swear that people will ignore them, but damnit if hteir vehicles wont become ALL class leaders.

Not to pick too many nits, but the Lucerne and Tahoe were both unveiled in production trim. The Sky and Solstice were "concepts" before they were announced as official vehicles.

Both the G6 and Lacrosse were dumbed down from their concept form.

 

[NorthRiver]

That Challenger is the SH!T!!

 

[MikeMike]

bump because of the new insanely hot angle found

 

[Kenazo]

Man if the engine bay looks like that in production, that'd be dang sweet.

Still like the Challenger better.

 

[ultimatebob]

Man, those gauges are hideous looking. Cool car, though.

 

[Markbnj]

Hello Ford Mustang, Dodge Charger, Dodge Magnum, etc.

Not a bad looking car, if you prefer the "streamlined brick" motif that is all the vogue in Detroit. And then again, it's made by GM, so it doesn't matter what it looks like...

... it'll be junk .

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DougK62
IRS, booo

So, you like cars that only go fast in a straight line?

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think the hood and the pointy front end look like ass. I hope they tone that down a bit in the production version.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

That is HAWT!!!!

 

[cjgallen]

I love the sharp corners. That's the only problem I had with the new stangs, too round and droopy.

 

[kalster]

ugly looking car, hopefully that is the case only coz its a concept

 

[tbike06]

Originally posted by: Salvador

Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

Yeah.. GM is way too conservative. You have to hand to Ford and Chrysler having the balls to put what is pretty close to their concepts into production.

One big advantage that Chrysler is going to have is that the Challenger is slated for production in '07 and the Camaro isn't supposed to be out until '09. GM was late to the game as usual. If GM wanted it bad enough, they could put it into production sooner. Look at how fast Ford put the Ford GT into production after the concept was unveiled.

This all reminds me of 1965. Ford had a huge hit with the Mustang and then every one else wanted a piece of the pie. Same thing is happening now. They can't make the new Ford Mustang fast enough. They had to cut off the orders at one point and tell their customers that they couldn't make any more 2005 models.

Apparently, GM was wrong in thinking that this segment of the market was dead when they discontinued the F Body (Firebird and Camaro) in 2002. It wasn't that the market was dead for this type of car. It was that they needed to build a better car.

Which leads me to the problem with GM. They can complain all they want about this or that, but it all boils down to the product. I blame poor management decisions for GM's problems and nothing else.

QFT. 2009? :roll: Way late.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: tbike06

Originally posted by: Salvador

Originally posted by: Hammer
the production vehicle will wind up being nothing like the concept, just like every other time for GM

Yeah.. GM is way too conservative. You have to hand to Ford and Chrysler having the balls to put what is pretty close to their concepts into production.

One big advantage that Chrysler is going to have is that the Challenger is slated for production in '07 and the Camaro isn't supposed to be out until '09. GM was late to the game as usual. If GM wanted it bad enough, they could put it into production sooner. Look at how fast Ford put the Ford GT into production after the concept was unveiled.

This all reminds me of 1965. Ford had a huge hit with the Mustang and then every one else wanted a piece of the pie. Same thing is happening now. They can't make the new Ford Mustang fast enough. They had to cut off the orders at one point and tell their customers that they couldn't make any more 2005 models.

Apparently, GM was wrong in thinking that this segment of the market was dead when they discontinued the F Body (Firebird and Camaro) in 2002. It wasn't that the market was dead for this type of car. It was that they needed to build a better car.

Which leads me to the problem with GM. They can complain all they want about this or that, but it all boils down to the product. I blame poor management decisions for GM's problems and nothing else.

QFT. 2009? :roll: Way late.

yea, the others will be passed out drunk at the party while GM scores with everyone.

sorry, but 2009 will be when the new mustang needs a redesign, and not many ppl see where the Mustang can go.