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Sid59

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Does Maxthon have PAGE Info? Where it conviently lists all the info about the page:

url, size, links, media (pictures, embedded swf, video)?

one of these days, ill crawl back to IE fully. I still do use IE here and there for some websites.
 

JeffCY

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Originally posted by: simms
BingBongWongFooey, really, it's ok. If you think FF is better, that's fine. I don't want a flamewar nor do I want your opinions pushed on mine. All I want to do is to let people know that there is an alternative out there that ISN'T Firefox.

For FF I'm talking about Tabbrowser extensions. That is a plugin. I realize tabs are built in, but ask yourself... are you using the Tabbrowser extension now? If so, that renders your point moot.. who cares if there are tabs preinstalled with FF if you don't even use them UNTIL you have an extension?
I don't know... you sound like an MyIE2 "fanboi" to me. Sure, you're welcome to introduce an alternative, but if you want to persuade others to use your alternative then you really need to get your facts straight (especially when you make the claim that MyIE2 is "better than Firefox"). Don't get your panties in a bunch when someone shares a different opinion about what you said :).

As for Tabbrowser extensions, no I am not using Tabbrowser extensions, so his point was not moot. Tabs work perfectly fine without tabbrowser extensions.

I've tried MyIE2... didn't like it, it seemed too cluttered with buttons. It probably has some nice features but I'll stick with the clean FF interface which is perfect for me.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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As for my attitude, simms, you started your post with:

Name something this browser doesn't have that IE/FF have.

.. which comes off as some sort of challenge. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how it came off to me, and no doubt others.

Originally posted by: simms
For FF I'm talking about Tabbrowser extensions. That is a plugin. I realize tabs are built in, but ask yourself... are you using the Tabbrowser extension now? If so, that renders your point moot.. who cares if there are tabs preinstalled with FF if you don't even use them UNTIL you have an extension?

As JeffCY mentioned, tabs work just fine and dandy without any extension. I don't use the tabbrowser extension. I tried it once a long time ago, when firefox was phoenix, and I found it to be a buggy and not very useful POS and I uninstalled it.

Netscape would be the same as firefox; they both use gecko. I sure hope you're not talking about Netscape 4, are you? Welcome to four years ago.

As for this quote, you make absolutely no reference to anything, so I can't really say much to this. If you mean load support, Netscape also has its problems.

You said that firefox loads pages correctly "most of the time," while netscape you described as "50/50." You also said that netscape does not have tabs, which is false. This suggested to me that perhaps you were thinking of Netscape 4, which is something like six years old. Ever since 6.0, netscape has been based on mozilla, and has had the mozilla rendering engine (gecko), and tabs.

If you use the middle button, :beer: for you. You really pwned me with this point. :roll: For me, a click slide is a lot faster than moving my index button to the middle one and clicking, then moving my hand back. If you use the middle button, good for you.

In either case, I have a hard time believing that either is much or any faster than the other. It's not like it's an unfamiliar key on your keyboard that you have to search for; it's a button which most people use all the time (they just scroll it instead of pressing it). My point was that the difference is pretty insignificant, not to mention that one could just as easily argue that the middle button is better. It's silly.

You know, undo is an interesting thing. I've wondered about how undo could be applied to things other than document editing, such as window management. It's a nifty idea, Then again, sticking undo into everything gets a bit ridiculous. Is it really that hard to just go back to the webpage? Are you really so uncoordinated that you randomly click things all the time?

If you forget the URL, or if it's just a dynamic ASP page with no correct title, then yes, it's useful. Or if you close a page and need it back it's there... I'm not sure what you imply here, but yes, it's in MyIE2.

Not implying anything, just thinking out loud. It's an interesting idea, but I don't have a firm opinion on whether it's a good or bad one.

I've used a few methods of ad blocking, and in the end, it's pointless. I don't care about ads; my mind tunes them out. Though I suppose if those horrid javascript atrocities worked in my browser, I'd want to block them too.

If you don't care about ads, go stick to IE. Yes, MyIE2 blocks the javascript too.

IE only runs on windows, so I couldn't use it if I wanted to. I don't see how not caring about ads makes me an "IE user." I simply ignore ads, as I'm sure most people do. It's easy, and it works better than software solutions. As for funky javascript ads, they usually only work in IE anyways.

Oh yea, like Firesomething. Really, I need my CPU power to be used creating "Mozilla AquaSheep".
Heh, you totally lost me here.

IMO you look pretty foolish saying that IE is "good."

Good thing it's IYO. :roll:

It's also the opinion of the US department of homeland security. ;)

Get back on topic and stop with the flamewar.
You are right, I was being a bit flamey; it was late and I was a little careless. :p But I'm just pointing out what I see as flaws in your argument for Maxthon. Hard to believe, but in a way, I am trying to help. ;)

Try MyIE2, and if you have problems, address them here.
It only works on one platform, which is one that I don't use.

Otherwise take you and your FF fanboi attitude out of here. If you're so set on FF, what are you doing in this thread that simply lists an alternative?
I'm a fanboi of truth and rationality. I'm only messing with you because I found mistakes/flaws/inaccuracies/irrationality in your post.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: simms
BingBongWongFooey, really, it's ok. If you think FF is better, that's fine. I don't want a flamewar nor do I want your opinions pushed on mine. All I want to do is to let people know that there is an alternative out there that ISN'T Firefox.

For FF I'm talking about Tabbrowser extensions. That is a plugin. I realize tabs are built in, but ask yourself... are you using the Tabbrowser extension now? If so, that renders your point moot.. who cares if there are tabs preinstalled with FF if you don't even use them UNTIL you have an extension?

From everything I've seen, tab browser extensions suck. So I didn't bother.

What? Works like FF? This whole post is a big long explanation of how it is different from firefox.

You get the IE rendering engine along with the IE exploits.

The problem of idiots writing only for IE will be fixed by more people using browsers other than IE. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

This whole post is not about how FF is different from everyone else. Get off your high horse. This is about an ALTERNATIVE that I want to let people nkow about.

This is the same choice that made firefox necessary. This is just IE. And, if it is a true alternative, show me where I can download it for all of my machines.

Netscape would be the same as firefox; they both use gecko. I sure hope you're not talking about Netscape 4, are you? Welcome to four years ago.

As for this quote, you make absolutely no reference to anything, so I can't really say much to this. If you mean load support, Netscape also has its problems.

That was in reference to:
MyIE2: Yes, support for majority.
FF: Most of the time
Opera: Most of the time
Netscape: 50/50
IE: Yes

Netscape should work as often as FF/Mozilla.

Hahaha, they really call it "super"? That's pretty funny.

How often do I use the middle button? Why, all the time actually. And even if I didn't, I don't see how that's a problem. It's not like you have to search for it, it's right there. Pretty obvious. "much better" than a middle button? How? It's pretty hard for me to see how a minute movement with one button is better than a simple click of another. I'd like to know how exactly it's "better."

If you use the middle button, :beer: for you. You really pwned me with this point. :roll: For me, a click slide is a lot faster than moving my index button to the middle one and clicking, then moving my hand back. If you use the middle button, good for you.

My middle finger is on the middle button half the time. It makes scrolling down the page easier as I'm reading. So no movement involved. You just compute wrong. ;)

You know, undo is an interesting thing. I've wondered about how undo could be applied to things other than document editing, such as window management. It's a nifty idea, Then again, sticking undo into everything gets a bit ridiculous. Is it really that hard to just go back to the webpage? Are you really so uncoordinated that you randomly click things all the time?

If you forget the URL, or if it's just a dynamic ASP page with no correct title, then yes, it's useful. Or if you close a page and need it back it's there... I'm not sure what you imply here, but yes, it's in MyIE2.

This is still the neatest feature you've mentioned.

I've used a few methods of ad blocking, and in the end, it's pointless. I don't care about ads; my mind tunes them out. Though I suppose if those horrid javascript atrocities worked in my browser, I'd want to block them too.

If you don't care about ads, go stick to IE. Yes, MyIE2 blocks the javascript too.

Eh? All browsers do that.

Not all browsers will get past stupid non-right clicks, hidden javascripts, iframe and frames with one click. Eh.

Never had a problem with any of those.

That seems pretty random. I'm sure I could go search down random features of firefox that are cooler than that.

Oh yea, like Firesomething. Really, I need my CPU power to be used creating "Mozilla AquaSheep". Downloading Flash movies may be necessary to save to your HD, and MyIE2 makes it easy.

Was it hard before? ^U, ^F, swf, enter, copy&paste URL. 20 seconds worth of work. :p

Who cares? Is typing a g so difficult? Firefox has a dedicated box for google searching and I'm sure there is a keyboard shortcut to get to it too. The whole google-searching-quickness argument seems kind of silly to me. I actually go to google.com every time I want to search, and I do it a lot. I don't see the big deal.

This point was addressed to another member who mentioned that they use 'g' prefix to search in Opera.

IMO you look pretty foolish saying that IE is "good."

Good thing it's IYO. :roll:

Get back on topic and stop with the flamewar. Try MyIE2, and if you have problems, address them here. Otherwise take you and your FF fanboi attitude out of here. If you're so set on FF, what are you doing in this thread that simply lists an alternative?
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Please provide a link to MyIE2 for OpenBSD. Firefox and Mozilla work. :)
 

simms

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
As for my attitude, simms, you started your post with:
....

Much better post. Thanks for your points. :) I realize that it sounded like a challenge, so I'll edit it out.
From my experiences in the past, I have experienced what I've posted about. To each his own.

Thanks.

Please provide a link to MyIE2 for OpenBSD. Firefox and Mozilla work.

You gotta pick a fight with me, don't ya. :p

Good points all. :D
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: simms
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
As for my attitude, simms, you started your post with:
....

Much better post. Thanks for your points. :) I realize that it sounded like a challenge, so I'll edit it out.
From my experiences in the past, I have experienced what I've posted about. To each his own.

Thanks.

Please provide a link to MyIE2 for OpenBSD. Firefox and Mozilla work.

You gotta pick a fight with me, don't ya. :p

Good points all. :D

Just pointing out another way mozilla/firefox are superior. ;)
 

straubs

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Originally posted by: simms
So to name things that MyIE2 doesn't have.

1. Security.
2. Open source code. "Roll your own" browser/extension/anything.
3. Run from USB flash drive.
4. Run the same browser natively on any modern OS.
5. The *choice* of what options are installed.
6. Lack of "browser helper" spyware garbage.

1. Security. It does 128-bit encryption. If that's good enough for my bank, I don't understand why I need CIA-standard encryption. I'm not that important.

3. Have you tried to run MyIE2 on USB? Don't knock till you tried it. Really now, 256MB can hold IE, MyIE and FF combined...

6. Apparantly you didn't try the program out long enough, it has the ad blocker built in with a click of a button...

:confused::confused::confused:

I'm sorry, but with those answers I'm pretty convinced you don't know what your talking about when it comes to web browsers.

1. When the Dept Of Homeland Security recommended not to use IE, they weren't talking about encryption strengths. They meant exploitability... Not many people will argue against IE (and derivatives) being the least secure of any modern web browser.
Then you mention banking online and an "eh, who cares, I'm not worried" attitude in the same sentence. You seem to be saying most criminals would rather get at CIA files than your bank account? :confused:

3. Running Internet Explorer (and thus the whole Windows OS, as Microsoft themselves stated to the DOJ that it is an inextricable part of windows) on USB? Yeah, I'd like to see that. :confused:

6. Ad-blocker? What the heck does that have to do with either BHO (that means Brower Helper Object) or spyware? :confused:

Doesn't anyone else here know this stuff? :p C'mon, IE users should be plenty familiar with the terms exploit, spyware, and BHO... I can't believe no one else said anything! Most of the pro-IE crowd still has intimate knowledge of those subjects, if they are techy folks.

So if you want to brag about features of MyIE2, compared to any other browser, that's one thing. But to neglect to mention the security and spyware problems of IE is like trying to sell someone a nice house with no roof.
 

simms

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Originally posted by: straubs
Originally posted by: simms
So to name things that MyIE2 doesn't have.

1. Security.
2. Open source code. "Roll your own" browser/extension/anything.
3. Run from USB flash drive.
4. Run the same browser natively on any modern OS.
5. The *choice* of what options are installed.
6. Lack of "browser helper" spyware garbage.

1. Security. It does 128-bit encryption. If that's good enough for my bank, I don't understand why I need CIA-standard encryption. I'm not that important.

3. Have you tried to run MyIE2 on USB? Don't knock till you tried it. Really now, 256MB can hold IE, MyIE and FF combined...

6. Apparantly you didn't try the program out long enough, it has the ad blocker built in with a click of a button...

:confused::confused::confused:

I'm sorry, but with those answers I'm pretty convinced you don't know what your talking about when it comes to web browsers.

1. When the Dept Of Homeland Security recommended not to use IE, they weren't talking about encryption strengths. They meant exploitability... Not many people will argue against IE (and derivatives) being the least secure of any modern web browser.
Then you mention banking online and an "eh, who cares, I'm not worried" attitude in the same sentence. You seem to be saying most criminals would rather get at CIA files than your bank account? :confused:

3. Running Internet Explorer (and thus the whole Windows OS, as Microsoft themselves stated to the DOJ that it is an inextricable part of windows) on USB? Yeah, I'd like to see that. :confused:

6. Ad-blocker? What the heck does that have to do with either BHO (that means Brower Helper Object) or spyware? :confused:

Doesn't anyone else here know this stuff? :p C'mon, IE users should be plenty familiar with the terms exploit, spyware, and BHO... I can't believe no one else said anything! Most of the pro-IE crowd still has intimate knowledge of those subjects, if they are techy folks.

So if you want to brag about features of MyIE2, compared to any other browser, that's one thing. But to neglect to mention the security and spyware problems of IE is like trying to sell someone a nice house with no roof.

1. When I was talking about encryption, I meant that if my bank, knowing virtually all non-technical people run IE and still choose to offer online banking, even when my bank is aware of exploits yet still accepts online banking then it should be alright for me. I didn't mention anything about Homeland Security... at least I don't recall.

3. I didn't say running IE, I said MyIE2. MyIE2 is based upon IE, and because MyIE2 runs on Windows you could figure almost all computers are running (or have installed) IE. You can fit MyIE2's dir on 2 floppies (3.2MB for my dir, with plugins and ad blocker).

6. Ad blocker can block the pop up pages and pop unders which install ActiveX. Sometimes through exploits, like CoolWebSearch. But I haven't been hit by variants of CWS or anything like that, and while I acknowledge and fully accept that IE has its flaws.

So if you want to brag about features of MyIE2, compared to any other browser, that's one thing. But to neglect to mention the security and spyware problems of IE is like trying to sell someone a nice house with no roof.

I'm not trying to brag, just trying to list an alternative. IE itself has a weaken foundation, and yes there are spyware/security problems with IE. But as far as the MyIE2 coding works, it works seamlessly with IE. You can't blame MyIE2's devs for MS' mistakes. This is just an alternative for people who aren't ready for FF yet, nor want Opera's ads or Netscape.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: simms
I'm not trying to brag, just trying to list an alternative. IE itself has a weaken foundation, and yes there are spyware/security problems with IE. But as far as the MyIE2 coding works, it works seamlessly with IE. You can't blame MyIE2's devs for MS' mistakes. This is just an alternative for people who aren't ready for FF yet, nor want Opera's ads or Netscape.

It isn't an alternative though, it's the same crap with a different mask. I can blame MyIE2's developers for using a weak foundation, so there is no need to blame them for Microsoft's mistakes. They've accepted the mistakes and consider them worthwhile.

Opera doesn't have ads, if you pay a couple of dollars, so that's just silly.
 

Sunner

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simms, I won't argue which is better since it's been done to death, Netscape vs IE vs Mozilla vs Opera vs Firefox vs Mr.T
However, you really should update your original post since it's contains alot of false information, as has been pointed out by others.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
simms, I won't argue which is better since it's been done to death, Netscape vs IE vs Mozilla vs Opera vs Firefox vs Mr.T
However, you really should update your original post since it's contains alot of false information, as has been pointed out by others.

Mr. T > *

:heart:
 

simms

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Originally posted by: Sunner
simms, I won't argue which is better since it's been done to death, Netscape vs IE vs Mozilla vs Opera vs Firefox vs Mr.T
However, you really should update your original post since it's contains alot of false information, as has been pointed out by others.

YGPM.
 

simms

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edmicman

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heh didn't myie2 or crazybrowser or whatever allow you to use the gecko engine or something?
 

Sid59

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better. the OPost is much better and less attackful.

the only 1 thing i always hated about IE was the UI. Always seemed crowded.
 

Mem

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I loved Opera, but it randomly hung when loading pages. Not just me, it's a rampant problem according to the Opera forums. Until that's 100% fixed, I'll have to settle with FF

I`m using Opera 7.54 as my main browser which works great,what version was you using and did you try a clean install by removing the old Opera version first?

I`ve tried most browsers but Opera is still my favourite period, especially for speed,as to other browsers well you know that everybody is going to have their favouite browser and whatever works best for you is fine in my books,it`s nice to see quite a few people trying other browsers rather then staying with IE .


:)
 

NightCrawler

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Originally posted by: simms
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Originally posted by: Sid59
Does Maxthon have PAGE Info? Where it conviently lists all the info about the page:

url, size, links, media (pictures, embedded swf, video)?

one of these days, ill crawl back to IE fully. I still do use IE here and there for some websites.

Answer: YES

LINK: http://maxthon.tarapages.com/plugins/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=433

Hey cool, thanks! :) Neat little thing.

Wow it's more robust then I thought it would be, I knew it existed and even downloaded it before but never got around to installing it.
 

straubs

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: simms
I'm not trying to brag, just trying to list an alternative. IE itself has a weaken foundation, and yes there are spyware/security problems with IE. But as far as the MyIE2 coding works, it works seamlessly with IE. You can't blame MyIE2's devs for MS' mistakes. This is just an alternative for people who aren't ready for FF yet, nor want Opera's ads or Netscape.

It isn't an alternative though, it's the same crap with a different mask. I can blame MyIE2's developers for using a weak foundation, so there is no need to blame them for Microsoft's mistakes. They've accepted the mistakes and consider them worthwhile.

Exactly. Why can't we list IE as MyIE2's main fault? It's the truth! No one forced them to extend IE instead of writing their own browser or using another.

I don't care what anybody uses for their browser, as long as you agree that IE has an absolutely terrible security record and no add-on is going to change that.
 

straubs

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Originally posted by: Sid59
better. the OPost is much better and less attackful.


Agree. The edited post is better, but still lacking some key topics that are hard to leave out of any serious web browser comparison. (and you ARE comparing them)

Security record/Exploitability

Standards support The web is for everyone, not one company.
Developers gripe about IE standards

PNG anyone? Sorry, IE users, your browser doesn't support this standard.

Web site dedicatied to browser compatibility for the serious web developer
[from the above site] "Explorer on Windows has the worst CSS support of all modern browsers."

I know I'm really going over the top in my replies, but when someone RECOMMENDS an IE-based browser, and thusly all of the flaws it contains, it just blows my mind. :)

Really, you need to browse the spyware info forums if you have the idea that blocking pop-ups is what it takes to stop spyware from entering IE. That site will open your eyes. They aren't all problems related to IE, but a good amount of them are.
 

simms

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Straubs, you bring up some good points. I don't like how IE doesn't support PNG, but it's not like I see a lot of them around the net.

I updated the title to make it seem less subjective towards FF as well. PM me if there's information you'd like me to include in the main post.
 

straubs

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Originally posted by: simms
I don't like how IE doesn't support PNG, but it's not like I see a lot of them around the net.

That's the problem with a monopoly and their disregard for following standards, isn't it? You won't see things like PNG and decent CSS because Microsoft is not willing to make that happen. Even though this would benefit their customers and everyone else.

Originally posted by: simms
PM me if there's information you'd like me to include in the main post.

Just support for standards and security. I outlined this already.
BTW, Here's the IE exploit of the day to test with.
Not sure that it will work on MyIE2 or not. I'd be interested to know. :)

Be sure to check your startup folder after you try the demo. ;)