My tattoo

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

🙂

And if I came on here tomorrow showing off a KKK tattoo, then I would subject to derision, anger, hatred etc etc.. from everyone... Thanks for the moral high ground though...

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

🙂

And if I came on here tomorrow showing off a KKK tattoo, then I would subject to derision, anger, hatred etc etc.. from everyone... Thanks for the moral high ground though...

The KKK aren't racist, they're just proud of their heritage...

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

🙂

And if I came on here tomorrow showing off a KKK tattoo, then I would subject to derision, anger, hatred etc etc.. from everyone... Thanks for the moral high ground though...

If you were in love with a girl named Katherine Karrie Kazlowski or your fave group was Kombined Kinky Kittens... and you got KKK tattooed on your arm... you think it is fair that everyone label you a racist bigot because they see it ONLY as the Klan?

Moral high ground has nothing to so with it.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

🙂

And if I came on here tomorrow showing off a KKK tattoo, then I would subject to derision, anger, hatred etc etc.. from everyone... Thanks for the moral high ground though...

If you were in love with a girl named Katherine Karrie Kazlowski or your fave group was Kombined Kinky Kittens... and you got KKK tattooed on your arm... you think it is fair that everyone label you a racist bigot because they see it ONLY as the Klan?

Moral high ground has nothing to so with it.

Fair enough.,.. I guess my comment was ambiguous enough to be twisted.

let me rephrase... If I were to show off a swastika, I would be labelled a Nazi, even though the swastika itself existed prior to them because people, not all, but most, will immediately jump to their Suffer-by-proxy mats, and call down righteous anger and fire on me.

 

[Mill]

I've never cared for tattoos.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

And if I came on here tomorrow showing off a KKK tattoo, then I would subject to derision, anger, hatred etc etc.. from everyone... Thanks for the moral high ground though...

If you were in love with a girl named Katherine Karrie Kazlowski or your fave group was Kombined Kinky Kittens... and you got KKK tattooed on your arm... you think it is fair that everyone label you a racist bigot because they see it ONLY as the Klan?

Moral high ground has nothing to so with it.

Fair enough.,.. I guess my comment was ambiguous enough to be twisted.

let me rephrase... If I were to show off a swastika, I would be labelled a Nazi, even though the swastika itself existed prior to them because people, not all, but most, will immediately jump to their Suffer-by-proxy mats, and call down righteous anger and fire on me.[/quote]

not all ppl will do so. only those that want to project their ideals, morals and viewpoints on every body else will. and to those that will not look deeper, or ask about it... well, there is no point giving credence to the closed minded.

🙂

to be honest... for me personally... my first instinct to seeing the swasticker would think Nazi. I have been condition from youth to do so. But i like to think that i have matured enough to not be so short sighted, or prejudiced. i would like to think that i would ask about it. or at the very least, find more infomation on it and not just automatically assume the worst.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
not all ppl will do so. only those that want to project their ideals, morals and viewpoints on every body else will. and to those that will not look deeper, or ask about it... well, there is no point giving credence to the closed minded.

🙂

Funny, that's exactly what you're doing.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
not all ppl will do so. only those that want to project their ideals, morals and viewpoints on every body else will. and to those that will not look deeper, or ask about it... well, there is no point giving credence to the closed minded.

🙂

Funny, that's exactly what you're doing.

really? how am i doing that? by not jumping on the 'omg, confederate flag = slavery = racist' bandwagon?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
not all ppl will do so. only those that want to project their ideals, morals and viewpoints on every body else will. and to those that will not look deeper, or ask about it... well, there is no point giving credence to the closed minded.

🙂

Funny, that's exactly what you're doing.

really? how am i doing that? by not jumping on the 'omg, confederate flag = slavery = racist' bandwagon?

No, you're judging anyone who has a negative opinion of him because of his tattoo. You believe that a person should not be open to criticism about the way they decorate their body, because it's his body and he can do what he wants with it. I would venture to say that most people would not agree with that. I would venture to say that you would not even agree with yourself if you thought it through. The way a person decorate's their body, like any other form of expression, is open to criticism. Using my previous example, if someone tattooed "death to all n!ggers" on his forehead, I doubt you would not think to yourself "you know, I really don't agree with that." I really hope you'd think something like that.

I've never called the OP a racist because of his tattoo. I'm merely saying that your assertion that a person "should not be open to ridicule" over the way they decorate their body is absurd. If a sports commentator went on TV and said "Jew agents are ruining professional sports, I wish all the Jews had died in the holocaust," don't you think he should get fired? Free speech is not free from social repercusions.

No one has suggested that the OP should be denied his right to have that tattoo, but you want to deny them their right to criticize him for it. I think your judgement is clouded by your personal opinion on the flag.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: mugs


No, you're judging anyone who has a negative opinion of him because of his tattoo. You believe that a person should not be open to criticism about the way they decorate their body, because it's his body and he can do what he wants with it. I would venture to say that most people would not agree with that. I would venture to say that you would not even agree with yourself if you thought it through. The way a person decorate's their body, like any other form of expression, is open to criticism. Using my previous example, if someone tattooed "death to all n!ggers" on his forehead, I doubt you would not think to yourself "you know, I really don't agree with that." I really hope you'd think something like that.

I've never called the OP a racist because of his tattoo. I'm merely saying that your assertion that a person "should not be open to ridicule" over the way they decorate their body is absurd. If a sports commentator went on TV and said "Jew agents are ruining professional sports, I wish all the Jews had died in the holocaust," don't you think he should get fired? Free speech is not free from social repercusions.

No one has suggested that the OP should be denied his right to have that tattoo, but you want to deny them their right to criticize him for it. I think your judgement is clouded by your personal opinion on the flag.

No, what I am saying is that the OP should be allowed to put whatever he wants on his body without fearing the risk of ppl trying to tell him what it means, or is supposed to mean.

When this thread started... the OP showed off his tattoo... there was a few ppl who automatically decided what the confederate flag meant to them, automatically assumed that it meant the same to the OP and jumped to conclusions about the OP.

I am saying that is wrong.

Not only should the OP decided what he wants as a tattoo... not the general public... but he should not be denied his right to have it mean, to him, what he feels in his heart about it.

Just because of the % of the population sees the confederate flag as meaning slavery to them does not, and should not, make that symbol mean nothing else to everyone else.

I do not think it is right for those who see it as ONLY slavery to critize him if it does not have that meaning to him. If it has a historical and heritage meaning to him, that has nothing to do with slavery, then why should he be called a racist? Because it means slavery to someone else?

Perhaps I am explaining my POV unclearly. But i think that if someone makes it plain that he is racist and thinks slavery is a good thing, so paints the confederate flag everywhere... then it should be his views that are open to critism. But if his beliefs that the confederate flag are historical, then he should not be painted with the same brush by those who choose to see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism.

 

[Brutuskend]

Cue village people... :music:"In the NAVY!!":music:

 

[Juno]

jon wanted a tattoo to honor his dad for what he had served to america during his fighting days in navy. now shut up and respect what he wants.

i'm a good friend of jon and he is not absolutely a racist. that's ridiculous of what you expect him to be.

 

[Baked]

Looks like ones you get from bubble gum wrapper.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Jon855
Check this out Anchor/Flag Tattoo.

The anchor stands for my father. He used to serve in the navy and the flag stands for my ideals and no I am not a racist so do not bring that up. Comments would be nice and if you do have one share?

Artist:
Joshua Plance
MPG Tattoo
141 Lancaster Dr NE
Salem, Oregon, 97306

your tattoo is fine. :thumbsup:

 

[notfred]

The tattoo is too small to tell anything from, anyway. When I looked at it, it looked like an anchor with *something* wrapped around it. I couldn't even tell it was a confederate flag until I read part of the thread. It's pretty small, and the flag is twisted and torn. If you were at the beach or something and I saw you with your shirt off, I would probably jsut think it was somenavy thing, and that you had probably served in the navy.

I think I'd have to be your wife or something to get close enough to it often enough to realize that it was actually a confederate flag, and if I was someone like that, I'd probably know your values already, anyway.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: CraKaJaX

Pretty smart for getting your name and not the person you're with... because then you're screwed if sh!t hits the fan 😀

You do realize KarenMarie is a guy, right?