My tattoo

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: Vich

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
At least it has sentimental value and you didn?t just pick it out of a book because you thought it was cool.

Thanks Vich, rdubbz420 for the generous comment... This means much to me... Even if I will not be able to see it everyday, but knowing that it's always there will help me remember my dad. Anybody else here have a tattoo and would like to share?

 

[cjgallen]

I came here expecting a crappy cliche tattoo, but I like that one :thumbsup:

 

[imported_malcontent]

Very nice tat. Congrats! :thumbsup:

 

[CKent]

It looks nice. I can't say I see the point of tattoos, but then, I'm free to not get one

 

[daveymark]

nice tat.

I was expecting some tribal junk or chinese symbol garbage

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Looks good. Small world too. I had a few friends who got some ink at MPG. I ended up going to Oregon Tattoo down on Commercial (I think) in downtown. Are you planning to get more? It's addictive...

 

[49erinnc]

Nice tat. If you're going to get a tat, an original is the way to go. I'll never understand why anyone goes into a tattoo shop and chooses one off the flash designs. Why in the hell do you want something etched into your skin that someone else has?

I told my artist the basic theme of what I wanted and he drew it up. We then tweaked it until I was happy. Mine is personal and symbolic as well. I love it but was my first and last.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo
I think a confederate flag is pretty stupid to put on your shoulder.... Do you care to elaborate about the "ideals" that you think the flag represents? Some sort of political statement or something?

Regardless of what you think is stupid or what, it's what I support in general terms on a political ground. The most common view point on the Confederate Flag is slavery while it isn't like that. If you do think so then you need to hit up on a history books or two to learn a tad bit more. After all you are entiled to your own voice here, please stay on topic. Thanks.

Whats off-topic?

Why would you put the flag of a rebel organization on your body if you are a true American?

 

[SampSon]

Looks clean.

I'm going to be getting one this summer for my birthday.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo
I think a confederate flag is pretty stupid to put on your shoulder.... Do you care to elaborate about the "ideals" that you think the flag represents? Some sort of political statement or something?

Regardless of what you think is stupid or what, it's what I support in general terms on a political ground. The most common view point on the Confederate Flag is slavery while it isn't like that. If you do think so then you need to hit up on a history books or two to learn a tad bit more. After all you are entiled to your own voice here, please stay on topic. Thanks.

Whats off-topic?

Why would you put the flag of a rebel organization on your body if you are a true American?

FTW!

The OP is pretty naiive if he thinks we'd only say, "nice tat" or "ugly tat".

You got a tat with a flag remembering slavery, on your body, for the rest of your life. And no, it doesn't matter if that's what you think the flag stands for or not.

That reminds me, I better go get that appointment for that Swatzika tattoo on my forehead, because really, it's was never really about killing millions and millions of people.

 

[SampSon]

That reminds me, I better go get that appointment for that Swatzika tattoo on my forehead, because really, it's was never really about killing millions and millions of people.

You should look up the meaning of the swastika. It was a sign of good luck prior to the nazis using it as their symbol. Historically that still stands true. Also, the nazi party did quite a bit to lift germany from the depths of depression to make it a powerful nation. Yes it ended it hate and destruction, but it took quite a bit of rebuilding and perseverance of a nation as a whole to reach that point.

It's much too easy for people to only focus on the negative aspect of something.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: SampSon

That reminds me, I better go get that appointment for that Swatzika tattoo on my forehead, because really, it's was never really about killing millions and millions of people.

You should look up the meaning of the swastika. It was a sign of good luck prior to the nazis using it as their symbol. Historically that still stands true. Also, the nazi party did quite a bit to lift germany from the depths of depression to make it a powerful nation. Yes it ended it hate and destruction, but it took quite a bit of rebuilding and perseverance of a nation as a whole to reach that point.

It's much too easy for people to only focus on the negative aspect of something.

I agree. If some ppl think that the swazstika was only about the holacaust and that the southern flag is only about slavery.. that is fine. it is up to them to see it as they wish. just as it is for anyone else to see in it what they want.

Just because some ppl see this flag as slavery, doesnt mean that is all it is about or that EVERYone has to see it the same way.

 

[IndieSnob]

Meh. Not bad, but not the best I've seen either. Personally, I'm not into pieces that small, as there are very few artists who can add so much detail into something so small.

Then again, pictures sometime's don't do justice either.

Damn, I need to get more soon.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

The nice thing about this fine country we live in is that while his freedom of speech allows him to have whatever he wants tattooed on his body (or displayed on a shirt or what have you), everyone else's freedom of speech entitles them to ridicule or question his decision. It being his body does not absolve him from any responsibility for the message he chooses to convey.

The message of states' rights over federal rights is a good one, but he chose a particularly controversial way to convey that message. An image that - regardless of what anyone claims its original message to be - has been usurped by bigots. And it makes me wonder why anyone would want to associate with that image. In my opinion there is no better symbol of states' rights than the 10th amendment to the constitution. I wonder why no one wants to prominently display that?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SampSon
You should look up the meaning of the swastika. It was a sign of good luck prior to the nazis using it as their symbol. Historically that still stands true. Also, the nazi party did quite a bit to lift germany from the depths of depression to make it a powerful nation. Yes it ended it hate and destruction, but it took quite a bit of rebuilding and perseverance of a nation as a whole to reach that point.

It's much too easy for people to only focus on the negative aspect of something.

And if you wanted to tattoo a symbol of good luck on yourself, would you pick...
a. a swastika
b. a four-leaf clover
c. a horseshoe


I'm thinking not many people would pick a, for obvious reasons.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SampSon
You should look up the meaning of the swastika. It was a sign of good luck prior to the nazis using it as their symbol. Historically that still stands true. Also, the nazi party did quite a bit to lift germany from the depths of depression to make it a powerful nation. Yes it ended it hate and destruction, but it took quite a bit of rebuilding and perseverance of a nation as a whole to reach that point.

It's much too easy for people to only focus on the negative aspect of something.

And if you wanted to tattoo a symbol of good luck on yourself, would you pick...
a. a swastika
b. a four-leaf clover
c. a horseshoe


I'm thinking not many people would pick a, for obvious reasons.

The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SampSon
The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

Yes, that's exactly my point (read my post previous to the one you replied to for a better explanation)

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SampSon
The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

Yes, that's exactly my point (read my post previous to the one you replied to for a better explanation)

I'm going to get a swastika tatoo on my arm and under it I'll have in words:
"Historically the swastika means good luck, I do not hate jews".

Think that'll cover it?

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

The nice thing about this fine country we live in is that while his freedom of speech allows him to have whatever he wants tattooed on his body (or displayed on a shirt or what have you), everyone else's freedom of speech entitles them to ridicule or question his decision. It being his body does not absolve him from any responsibility for the message he chooses to convey.

Responsibility to whom? To those who demand that he see it as they see it?

The message of states' rights over federal rights is a good one, but he chose a particularly controversial way to convey that message. An image that - regardless of what anyone claims its original message to be - has been usurped by bigots. And it makes me wonder why anyone would want to associate with that image. In my opinion there is no better symbol of states' rights than the 10th amendment to the constitution. I wonder why no one wants to prominently display that?

Perhaps it is only controversial to those who want the symbol to remain in the hands of the bigots. Perhaps the OP made a decision that he did not want to relinquish his views and beliefs in the symbol to those who have mistreated it. I agree with your opinion that the 10th amendement is a good choice for a tattoo... but the OP has a different opinion.

And if you wanted to tattoo a symbol of good luck on yourself, would you pick...
a. a swastika
b. a four-leaf clover
c. a horseshoe

It doesnt bear repeating that the swasticker started out as something totally different than it ended up being.

the 4 leaf clover has legends that include Eve carrying it from the Garden of Eden... to the trinty and God's Grace. Does this mean that atheists should ridicule it, change the meaning and dictate a new meaning?

I am sure the horseshoe has similarlly different legends than percieved now... i am not familiar with them though... however, my point is that the symbol is to the OP what he sees it as. And i cannot agree that he should be questioned, ridiculed and judged because he does not give in to those who see it as something different.

but we can agree to disagree.

 

[FeuerFrei]

OP's tattoo is "ok".
Not up to my standards for a permanent mark on my body, but whatever, as long as you like it that's all that matters.
To me it says the wearer is a southerner who likes ships, and possibly has a naval background.
If that's the impression you are trying to give people, then congratulations.

Some people get carried away with their associations to Confederate flag but frankly I don't. It's just the flag the south chose to fight under and isn't at all pro-slavery.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SampSon
The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

Yes, that's exactly my point (read my post previous to the one you replied to for a better explanation)

I'm going to get a swastika tatoo on my arm and under it I'll have in words:
"Historically the swastika means good luck, I do not hate jews".

Think that'll cover it?

haha
How about: "I <3 Jews" above and "Really" below.

Disclaimers suck but are a necessary evil at times.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SampSon
The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

Yes, that's exactly my point (read my post previous to the one you replied to for a better explanation)

I'm going to get a swastika tatoo on my arm and under it I'll have in words:
"Historically the swastika means good luck, I do not hate jews".

Think that'll cover it?

haha
How about: "I <3 Jews" above and "Really" below.

Disclaimers suck but are a necessary evil at times.

I'm jewish.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SampSon
The meaning of the swastika has obviously been distorted.

The history of the horseshoe as a symbol for good luck also has it's roots in greek times. Had the nazis used the horseshoe as it's symbol the stigma surrounding the horseshoe would be exactly the same as the swastika.

Yes, that's exactly my point (read my post previous to the one you replied to for a better explanation)

I'm going to get a swastika tatoo on my arm and under it I'll have in words:
"Historically the swastika means good luck, I do not hate jews".

Think that'll cover it?

haha
How about: "I <3 Jews" above and "Really" below.

Disclaimers suck but are a necessary evil at times.

I'm jewish.

Ok, so you don't hate yourself then. Great.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Responsibility to whom? To those who demand that he see it as they see it?

That was a poor choice of words on my part. My point was, he doesn't get a pass just because it's his body and he can do what he wants with it (as you suggested). He can do what he wants with his body, and other people can form their own opinions of him based on that and they can express those opinions as they please.

He's free to have "Death to all n!ggers" tattooed on his body if he wants, but you better believe people would tell him how they feel about that, as is their right. (I have no reason to believe the OP is a racist, I was merely offering that as an extreme example)

Perhaps it is only controversial to those who want the symbol to remain in the hands of the bigots. Perhaps the OP made a decision that he did not want to relinquish his views and beliefs in the symbol to those who have mistreated it. I agree with your opinion that the 10th amendement is a good choice for a tattoo... but the OP has a different opinion.

That's valid, but simply using the symbol does nothing to take it back from the bigots. Using it in a way that demonstrates its meaning to him does. I'm not really sure how you can do that, other than explaining the meaning to everyone who sees it.

But again, my point was that people are entitled to their own opinions on his choice of symbols.

And i cannot agree that he should be questioned, ridiculed and judged because he does not give in to those who see it as something different.

And yet everyone has the right to ridicule and judge him as they see fit, and you're welcome to judge them for judging him. It's not like he didn't know it was going to happen when he got the tattoo.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm going to get a swastika tatoo on my arm and under it I'll have in words:
"Historically the swastika means good luck, I do not hate jews".

Think that'll cover it?

Yeah, it probably would. Be sure to post pics.

Or feel free to just get the swastika.