My tattoo

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo
I think a confederate flag is pretty stupid to put on your shoulder.... Do you care to elaborate about the "ideals" that you think the flag represents? Some sort of political statement or something?

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Regardless of what you think is stupid or what, it's what I support in general terms on a political ground. The most common view point on the Confederate Flag is slavery while it isn't like that. If you do think so then you need to hit up on a history books or two to learn a tad bit more. After all you are entiled to your own voice here, please stay on topic. Thanks.

Well, I asked if it was a political statement or something... so what is it?

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Oregon will rise again? (RossMAN leading the charge?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_flag and no Oregon will not rise... Nothing like that... Read the link I posted and hopefully more eyes will be shed on what I'm talking about but I ain't a racist. I'm all for equality and so on forth...

Please also stay on topic... I want comments on my tattoo, those who gave it thanks... I want nothing else. If you want to question my tattoo take it to the PN forum.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo
I think a confederate flag is pretty stupid to put on your shoulder.... Do you care to elaborate about the "ideals" that you think the flag represents? Some sort of political statement or something?

=

Regardless of what you think is stupid or what, it's what I support in general terms on a political ground. The most common view point on the Confederate Flag is slavery while it isn't like that. If you do think so then you need to hit up on a history books or two to learn a tad bit more. After all you are entiled to your own voice here, please stay on topic. Thanks.

Well, I asked if it was a political statement or something... so what is it?

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Oregon will rise again? (RossMAN leading the charge?)

I think he's answering your question with "bolding" his earlier statement. And I believe he feels no further need to explain. Otherwise this thread could get ugly.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Jon855
I ain't a racist. I'm all for equality and so on forth...

Yeah, I'm all for givin' them coloreds all their rights and freedoms and what not and hootenany. Jes stay off mah lawn and let me have mah tatTEW!

 

[KarenMarie]

It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

Yeah, I agree. I don't know why everybody focuses so much on slavery with the whole Confederate flag issue. There are much worse things about the South to be worried about, and according to these folks that flag represents all of them!

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: Pablo
I think a confederate flag is pretty stupid to put on your shoulder.... Do you care to elaborate about the "ideals" that you think the flag represents? Some sort of political statement or something?

=

Regardless of what you think is stupid or what, it's what I support in general terms on a political ground. The most common view point on the Confederate Flag is slavery while it isn't like that. If you do think so then you need to hit up on a history books or two to learn a tad bit more. After all you are entiled to your own voice here, please stay on topic. Thanks.

Well, I asked if it was a political statement or something... so what is it?

?

Oregon will rise again? (RossMAN leading the charge?)

I think he's answering your question with "bolding" his earlier statement. And I believe he feels no further need to explain. Otherwise this thread could get ugly.

Yeah, I don't think the dude's a racist or anything, I just don't 100% understand what the confederate flag symbolizes to people anymore... States rights? Yeah, I understand the want for that, but I would find a better way to symbolize that than that flag I think... Plus, I don't know that I feel so strongly about that that I would get that tattooed on me..

But its his body, and I respect that. Its cool that he respects his dad enough to remember him through a permanant mark on his body. With any art, there will be people who don't quite get it, and in this case, I guess that's me... :beer:

 

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

I would like to point out something from Wikipedia in bold.

What is usually called "The Confederate Flag" or "The Confederate Battle Flag" (actually the Navy Jack as explained above) is still a widely-recognized symbol. The display of the flag is a controversial and very emotional issue, generally because of disagreement over exactly what it symbolizes. To many in the US South it is simply a symbol of regional pride and heritage. Others see it as a symbol of the institution of slavery which the Confederate government defended, or of the Jim Crow laws enforcing racial segregation in the Southern States for almost a century later. According to Civil War historian and southerner Shelby Foote, the flag traditionally represented the south's resistance to northern political dominance generally; it became racially charged during the Civil Rights Movement, when protecting segregation suddenly became the focal point of that resistance. A 1994 Harris poll showed that 68% of blacks nationwide did not find the flag offensive. That same poll showed 92% of southern people, of all races, did not find it offensive. The NAACP and many civil rights groups have attacked the flag despite popular local opinion among all races.

In general I'm all for state's right rather than a national one. That have changed today for most parts.

 

[CheesePoofs]

The reason the south seceded from the union was that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Lincoln had an anti-slavery stance (specifically, he was against the expansion of slavery), and the south clearly disagreed with this. They seceded, forming the confederacy, with that as their flag. Yes, there is a lot more to southern heritage than slavery, but the main reason that the confederacy was formed in the first place was as a direct resulf of their having slavery and the north not having slavery. That would make slavery the one difference that the South had fromthe NOrth that was large enough to cause them to break from the union. And so, the confederate flag is associated with slavery, because it represents the union, which was formed over the issue of slavery.

But about the tatoo ..... personally, I don't like it, but I really don't like tatoos in general. Nothing against yorus in particular. However, I have to say its nice that you got one that actually means somethign to you instead of an asian character that you dont' know the meaning of, or something else equally pointless.

 

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
However, I have to say its nice that you got one that actually means somethign to you instead of an asian character that you dont' know the meaning of, or something else equally pointless.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
The reason the south seceded from the union was that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Lincoln had an anti-slavery stance (specifically, he was against the expansion of slavery), and the south clearly disagreed with this. They seceded, forming the confederacy, with that as their flag. Yes, there is a lot more to southern heritage than slavery, but the main reason that the confederacy was formed in the first place was as a direct resulf of their having slavery and the north not having slavery. That would make slavery the one difference that the South had fromthe NOrth that was large enough to cause them to break from the union. And so, the confederate flag is associated with slavery, because it represents the union, which was formed over the issue of slavery.

You are absolutely and completely wrong in every respect.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
The reason the south seceded from the union was that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Lincoln had an anti-slavery stance (specifically, he was against the expansion of slavery), and the south clearly disagreed with this. They seceded, forming the confederacy, with that as their flag. Yes, there is a lot more to southern heritage than slavery, but the main reason that the confederacy was formed in the first place was as a direct resulf of their having slavery and the north not having slavery. That would make slavery the one difference that the South had fromthe NOrth that was large enough to cause them to break from the union. And so, the confederate flag is associated with slavery, because it represents the union, which was formed over the issue of slavery.

You are absolutely and completely wrong in every respect.

I'm glad someone said it.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

Once he decided to share it here, I think he opened himself up to ridicule or questioning. He didnt have to take a picture, nor did he have to make a post showing the picture.

I wouldnt get a swastika tatooed on me, then be shocked if there was some sort of backlash. As you can see, I can make arguements that I support "general terms" of the symbol.

He can do whatever he wants with his body, but once he starts making it public, he opens things up for discussion.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think it is beautiful.



edit: whoever did that... did an awesome job. hardly any puffiness, not scabbing or bleeding. Well done.

The artist is Joshua Plance down at
MPG Tattoo
141 Lancaster Dr NE
Salem, Oregon, 97306

http://www.shotsiestattoo.com/MotionSite.swf

did mine.

Let's see it then, shall we?

i will have to try to get a pic of my shoulder. give me a few minutes.

HERE is mine. no biggie. got it done in the winter of 1994. Was promised it would not fade in my lifetime , and if it did... he would do it over again for free. it has not faded.

 

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It is his body, his money, his tattoo... he can have whatever he wants and should not be open to ridicule or questioned.

but... just for the sake of argument... there are loads of southern ppl that are proud of their heritage, their history, and what the confederate flag represents to them. slavery is one small part of southern history, but seems to be the first one that ppl think of when they see the confederate flag.

in any case. .. if it is what he wanted to get tattooed on his back, that is his decision.

Once he decided to share it here, I think he opened himself up to ridicule or questioning. He didnt have to take a picture, nor did he have to make a post showing the picture.

I wouldnt get a swastika tatooed on me, then be shocked if there was some sort of backlash. As you can see, I can make arguements that I support "general terms" of the symbol.

He can do whatever he wants with his body, but once he starts making it public, he opens things up for discussion.

True but if anyone here remembers what the mods said couple of weeks ago, we'll all know to stick on topic and please try to be on topic and I've asked for comments so just give me a nay or an aye and then comment on whatever u want to but don't make it a PN thread. Thanks.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
The reason the south seceded from the union was that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Lincoln had an anti-slavery stance (specifically, he was against the expansion of slavery), and the south clearly disagreed with this. They seceded, forming the confederacy, with that as their flag. Yes, there is a lot more to southern heritage than slavery, but the main reason that the confederacy was formed in the first place was as a direct resulf of their having slavery and the north not having slavery. That would make slavery the one difference that the South had fromthe NOrth that was large enough to cause them to break from the union. And so, the confederate flag is associated with slavery, because it represents the union, which was formed over the issue of slavery.

You are absolutely and completely wrong in every respect.

how is he wrong? when you boil everything down, that is essentially the reason... sure they are other reasons, such as the south being against the suppression of power that the north presented...

i am one of the one-minded fools I guess who does not respect the confederate flag in any form, whatsoever. those who want to say the flag does not represent slavery are just trying to create new reasons to wave the flag. southern heritage is one, and its a good one.. but then again, ask most southerners who wave the flag, about their views on 'colored people'. that part of their heritage is still proud and strong.

on to the tattoo
it looks like an awesome tattoo.. and i agree about the comment of having tattoos actually represent something
my first tattoo will likely be something revolving around a bald eagle, or something else patriotic... and likely something revolving around ground troops or the air force.. since i will be in the air force (not sure if i'll be doing their infantry or something more technical yet, can't do anything flight or special ops due to colorblindness)

 

[CraKaJaX]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think it is beautiful.



edit: whoever did that... did an awesome job. hardly any puffiness, not scabbing or bleeding. Well done.

The artist is Joshua Plance down at
MPG Tattoo
141 Lancaster Dr NE
Salem, Oregon, 97306

http://www.shotsiestattoo.com/MotionSite.swf

did mine.

Let's see it then, shall we?

i will have to try to get a pic of my shoulder. give me a few minutes.

HERE is mine. no biggie. got it done in the winter of 1994. Was promised it would not fade in my lifetime , and if it did... he would do it over again for free. it has not faded.

Pretty smart for getting your name and not the person you're with... because then you're screwed if sh!t hits the fan

 

[mrrman]

looks good but I dont care for them on my body

 

[Alchemist99]

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i think it is beautiful.



edit: whoever did that... did an awesome job. hardly any puffiness, not scabbing or bleeding. Well done.

The artist is Joshua Plance down at
MPG Tattoo
141 Lancaster Dr NE
Salem, Oregon, 97306

Hmm that's about a mile away from my house, howdy neighbor? :beer: oh and nice Tat

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Jon855
True but if anyone here remembers what the mods said couple of weeks ago, we'll all know to stick on topic and please try to be on topic and I've asked for comments so just give me a nay or an aye and then comment on whatever u want to but don't make it a PN thread. Thanks.

I pretty much feel like you veered it "offtopic" yourself with this statement in your OP: "the flag stands for my ideals and no I am not a racist so do not bring that up". You sound like you wanted to get your 2 cents in on the flag but don't want anybody else to. Next time berate people for veering your threads offtopic when you have more of a leg to stand on.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Sorry to kind of...steal from your thread, but can anyone link me to some images of a decent tribal tattoo that starts on the shoulder and goes down the arm?

OP, if this requests bothers you, say the word and I'll edit it out and start my own thread.

Nice tattoo, by the way. I've never been one for colour, but it looks good.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Jon855
True but if anyone here remembers what the mods said couple of weeks ago, we'll all know to stick on topic and please try to be on topic and I've asked for comments so just give me a nay or an aye and then comment on whatever u want to but don't make it a PN thread. Thanks.

I pretty much feel like you veered it "offtopic" yourself with this statement in your OP: "the flag stands for my ideals and no I am not a racist so do not bring that up". You sound like you wanted to get your 2 cents in on the flag but don't want anybody else to. Next time berate people for veering your threads offtopic when you have more of a leg to stand on.

He wanted to get it out of the way before everyone started posting "OMFG you fing racist!!!111"

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: BigJ
He wanted to get it out of the way before everyone started posting "OMFG you fing racist!!!111"

You know people are going to do that no matter what. People like me. So it would be better to just not get preemptively defensive so you can get all justifiably defensive later on. Oh yeah, patience. Patience.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: bmacd
is that the only way you can remember your father? How often do you look at your back? Has your father passed away?

-=bmacd=-

My thoughts, too. You want to remember your father by getting a tattoo that you can never see?

 

[John]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: bmacd
is that the only way you can remember your father? How often do you look at your back? Has your father passed away?

-=bmacd=-

My thoughts, too. You want to remember your father by getting a tattoo that you can never see?

He can look at it in the mirror.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
At least it has sentimental value and you didn?t just pick it out of a book because you thought it was cool.