My solution to the drug problem

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
OMG, We found a topic that n0cmonkey and I disagree on.

Fvck drugs, Fvck drug users, and Fvck drug dealers. Drugs DO ruin peoples lives.. Sure the people made the choice, but the hold these drugs had on the people was too much for them.. Trust me, I know how hard it is to give up nicotine, let alone crack.

No no no. Drugs do not ruin anyone's life. The people that take the drugs choose to let themselves fall into that trap.

You chose to smoke. You knew the consequences, and you did it anyways. Live and learn.

Divert some of the billions of dollars spent on this "war on drugs" to real education. Not the BS "DARE" or other programs designed to scare without imparting knowledge, but give people the real deal. Then, let them make educated choices instead of regulating someone's state of conscousness.

Niccotine is more addictive than most narcotics.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
OMG, We found a topic that n0cmonkey and I disagree on.

Fvck drugs, Fvck drug users, and Fvck drug dealers. Drugs DO ruin peoples lives.. Sure the people made the choice, but the hold these drugs had on the people was too much for them.. Trust me, I know how hard it is to give up nicotine, let alone crack.

Have you had to kick rock?

Just so you know, nicotine is generally regarded as one of the hardest drugs to quit, I've heard it compared to heroin without the really really intense withdrawal.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Biological warfare against the American people. You are a terrorist.

I'd rather be a terrorist than a drug dealer. Who's killed more people? That's right, drug dealers.

Plus we all saw the DEA presentation to congress last year, where direct ties were drawn between heroin and the Taliban, as well as Al Queda. They grow it and sell it to us, and use the money to kill us. I'd say that's more directly support terrorism than your circular logic.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nebor
If there were no drugs available, this wouldn't have been possible.

I have that exact same argument used against me when I defend gun owners.
It is certainly not any more valid in this context.

And I've defended against the argument when dealing with guns as well. "You can't put the genie back in the bottle." Guns are a fact of life. Every attempt at banning and outlawing them has failed, and we have no foreseeable future technology to change this.

Drugs, on the other hand, can be erradicated via biological warfare.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
OMG, We found a topic that n0cmonkey and I disagree on.

Fvck drugs, Fvck drug users, and Fvck drug dealers. Drugs DO ruin peoples lives.. Sure the people made the choice, but the hold these drugs had on the people was too much for them.. Trust me, I know how hard it is to give up nicotine, let alone crack.

No no no. Drugs do not ruin anyone's life. The people that take the drugs choose to let themselves fall into that trap.

You chose to smoke. You knew the consequences, and you did it anyways. Live and learn.

Divert some of the billions of dollars spent on this "war on drugs" to real education. Not the BS "DARE" or other programs designed to scare without imparting knowledge, but give people the real deal. Then, let them make educated choices instead of regulating someone's state of conscousness.

Niccotine is more addictive than most narcotics.

Narcotics provide no positive benefits. There's nothing good about them. Their existance in the world is to ruin human lives.

I'd say the same is true of cigarettes.

I think you fail to understand the raw hatred involved in this argument, n0cmonkey. If you could line up 5 drug dealers in a field, down on their knees, I would feel no remorse in walking down the line of them and shooting them all, one at a time. They're not people, they're monsters, demons even. They've made the choice to ruin other peoples lives in exchange for money.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Biological warfare against the American people. You are a terrorist.

I'd rather be a terrorist than a drug dealer. Who's killed more people? That's right, drug dealers.

Plus we all saw the DEA presentation to congress last year, where direct ties were drawn between heroin and the Taliban, as well as Al Queda. They grow it and sell it to us, and use the money to kill us. I'd say that's more directly support terrorism than your circular logic.

I presented a reasonable solution to the terrorist link, two of them in fact. I also presented two solutions that give the American people the freedom to choose what they put in their own bodies, and inflict less damage on others. Your suggestion solves nothing, and only causes more problems.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nebor
If there were no drugs available, this wouldn't have been possible.

I have that exact same argument used against me when I defend gun owners.
It is certainly not any more valid in this context.

And I've defended against the argument when dealing with guns as well. "You can't put the genie back in the bottle." Guns are a fact of life. Every attempt at banning and outlawing them has failed, and we have no foreseeable future technology to change this.

Drugs, on the other hand, can be erradicated via biological warfare.

No, they can't. There are synthetics. Get rid of ready whip too? And cough syrup. Please, won't happen.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
OMG, We found a topic that n0cmonkey and I disagree on.

Fvck drugs, Fvck drug users, and Fvck drug dealers. Drugs DO ruin peoples lives.. Sure the people made the choice, but the hold these drugs had on the people was too much for them.. Trust me, I know how hard it is to give up nicotine, let alone crack.

No no no. Drugs do not ruin anyone's life. The people that take the drugs choose to let themselves fall into that trap.

You chose to smoke. You knew the consequences, and you did it anyways. Live and learn.

Divert some of the billions of dollars spent on this "war on drugs" to real education. Not the BS "DARE" or other programs designed to scare without imparting knowledge, but give people the real deal. Then, let them make educated choices instead of regulating someone's state of conscousness.

Niccotine is more addictive than most narcotics.

Narcotics provide no positive benefits. There's nothing good about them. Their existance in the world is to ruin human lives.

I'd say the same is true of cigarettes.

I think you fail to understand the raw hatred involved in this argument, n0cmonkey. If you could line up 5 drug dealers in a field, down on their knees, I would feel no remorse in walking down the line of them and shooting them all, one at a time. They're not people, they're monsters, demons even. They've made the choice to ruin other peoples lives in exchange for money.

The same can be said for politicians, the CEOs that approve dumping waste in the waters, manufacturers of guns that are not suitable for hunting food.

People want drugs. Drugs give them pleasure, enlightenment, or an escape (whatever word they use to justify the use). Drug dealers provide that substance people are looking for. It's capitalism at its best. You don't like drugs? Don't do them.

EDIT: One of my solutions puts the drug dealers out of business, the other makes it much less profitable. If it wasn't as profitable, they'd all move over to smuggling cigarettes (which is big trade around here apparently).

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
OMG, We found a topic that n0cmonkey and I disagree on.

Fvck drugs, Fvck drug users, and Fvck drug dealers. Drugs DO ruin peoples lives.. Sure the people made the choice, but the hold these drugs had on the people was too much for them.. Trust me, I know how hard it is to give up nicotine, let alone crack.

No no no. Drugs do not ruin anyone's life. The people that take the drugs choose to let themselves fall into that trap.

You chose to smoke. You knew the consequences, and you did it anyways. Live and learn.

Divert some of the billions of dollars spent on this "war on drugs" to real education. Not the BS "DARE" or other programs designed to scare without imparting knowledge, but give people the real deal. Then, let them make educated choices instead of regulating someone's state of conscousness.

Niccotine is more addictive than most narcotics.

Narcotics provide no positive benefits. There's nothing good about them. Their existance in the world is to ruin human lives.

I'd say the same is true of cigarettes.

I think you fail to understand the raw hatred involved in this argument, n0cmonkey. If you could line up 5 drug dealers in a field, down on their knees, I would feel no remorse in walking down the line of them and shooting them all, one at a time. They're not people, they're monsters, demons even. They've made the choice to ruin other peoples lives in exchange for money.

The same can be said for politicians, the CEOs that approve dumping waste in the waters, manufacturers of guns that are not suitable for hunting food.

People want drugs. Drugs give them pleasure, enlightenment, or an escape (whatever word they use to justify the use). Drug dealers provide that substance people are looking for. It's capitalism at its best. You don't like drugs? Don't do them.

EDIT: One of my solutions puts the drug dealers out of business, the other makes it much less profitable. If it wasn't as profitable, they'd all move over to smuggling cigarettes (which is big trade around here apparently).

Either way you're compromising. You're saying "Oh, we'll just let them kill a few more people, and then they won't make as much money."

Any compromise is unacceptable. The only solution is the complete irradication of the drug culture, one way or the other. The fact that you're willing to compromise while supposedly keeping "good interest" in mind just shows that your principles are weak. This is a black or white issue. You can't say that drugs are bad, but say that legalizing them will help things.

I'm a pretty liberal person, but there is no room for compromise on this issue. Consider me close minded on this one, and proud of it. If I were you, I'd just roll my eyes at me, because usually anyone who admits to being close minded and happy is an idiot. But I'm cool with that.

I'd still be happy to murder drug dealers. :thumbsup:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

And because some people have issues with it, no one should be able to use it? That's the kind of thinking that got "HOT" written around coffee cups.

BAN COFFEE! Would somebody think of the children?!

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

And because some people have issues with it, no one should be able to use it? That's the kind of thinking that got "HOT" written around coffee cups.

BAN COFFEE! Would somebody think of the children?!

coffee doesn't kill people...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nebor
[Either way you're compromising. You're saying "Oh, we'll just let them kill a few more people, and then they won't make as much money."

My first solution was a compromise with the anti-drug people. It has nothing to do with killing anyone, it has to do with freedom. The government has no business telling me what I can put inside my body. I want everyone to have the personal freedom to determine how their lives turn out. As long as they are not hurting anyone else, what's the problem?

The second solution can help save lives. Not only is more money gathered from the populace to help in social services (which should include reasonable drug education), but the people that choose to use these drugs would not have to worry about getting a bit of PCP with their weed.

Any compromise is unacceptable. The only solution is the complete irradication of the drug culture, one way or the other. The fact that you're willing to compromise while supposedly keeping "good interest" in mind just shows that your principles are weak. This is a black or white issue. You can't say that drugs are bad, but say that legalizing them will help things.

I don't say that drugs are bad, you do. I don't think that drugs have any morality or conscience, as they are inanimate objects.

I'm a pretty liberal person, but there is no room for compromise on this issue. Consider me close minded on this one, and proud of it. If I were you, I'd just roll my eyes at me, because usually anyone who admits to being close minded and happy is an idiot. But I'm cool with that.

I might eventually, but this is fun. It'd be a bit more fun if I called you names, but sometimes I respect you so that's out of the question. For now. :evil:

I'd still be happy to murder drug dealers. :thumbsup:

In the current "just say no" culture, you might be praised for such disregard for human life.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

And because some people have issues with it, no one should be able to use it? That's the kind of thinking that got "HOT" written around coffee cups.

BAN COFFEE! Would somebody think of the children?!

coffee doesn't kill people...

Neither do drugs.

EDIT: To clarify, proper use of these drugs (if they are not laced with something nasty) will not kill someone. Caffiene is a dangerous and addictive drug, but it frequently gets ignored.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

And because some people have issues with it, no one should be able to use it? That's the kind of thinking that got "HOT" written around coffee cups.

BAN COFFEE! Would somebody think of the children?!

coffee doesn't kill people...

Neither do drugs.

*sighs*

I'm gonna go watch a movie.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Man, just watch Trainspotting. I know it's just a movie but Tommy's case shows pretty well what can happen when you start doing hard drugs..

And because some people have issues with it, no one should be able to use it? That's the kind of thinking that got "HOT" written around coffee cups.

BAN COFFEE! Would somebody think of the children?!

coffee doesn't kill people...

Neither do drugs.

*sighs*

I'm gonna go watch a movie.

I editted that to clarify:

EDIT: To clarify, proper use of these drugs (if they are not laced with something nasty) will not kill someone. Caffiene is a dangerous and addictive drug, but it frequently gets ignored.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

I'd still be happy to murder drug dealers. :thumbsup:

In the current "just say no" culture, you might be praised for such disregard for human life.

Drug dealers aren't human.

Would you sell drugs, if it were legal, n0cmonkey?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

I'd still be happy to murder drug dealers. :thumbsup:

In the current "just say no" culture, you might be praised for such disregard for human life.

Drug dealers aren't human.

Would you sell drugs, if it were legal, n0cmonkey?

It wouldn't be in my top 10 choices of professions. If I were out of work, totally broke, and couldn't find a warehouse that needed a bitch, I guess I'd work at the local pot retailer.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Nebor
[Either way you're compromising. You're saying "Oh, we'll just let them kill a few more people, and then they won't make as much money."

My first solution was a compromise with the anti-drug people. It has nothing to do with killing anyone, it has to do with freedom. The government has no business telling me what I can put inside my body. I want everyone to have the personal freedom to determine how their lives turn out. As long as they are not hurting anyone else, what's the problem?

So now you're saying that drugs don't hurt anyone else? That has elicited a great deal of laughter from me. I thank you.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Prism

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Nebor
[Either way you're compromising. You're saying "Oh, we'll just let them kill a few more people, and then they won't make as much money."

My first solution was a compromise with the anti-drug people. It has nothing to do with killing anyone, it has to do with freedom. The government has no business telling me what I can put inside my body. I want everyone to have the personal freedom to determine how their lives turn out. As long as they are not hurting anyone else, what's the problem?

So now you're saying that drugs don't hurt anyone else? That has elicited a great deal of laughter from me. I thank you.

What are you laughing about? Second hand pot smoke? Explain how drugs hurt a non-user.

 

You people are some of the most short sighted, hypocritical fools ever. Many of you would make great politicians.

 

[CubicZirconia]

Should We Re-Legalize Drugs?

From the good old libertarian party.

You people are some of the most short sighted, hypocritical fools ever. Many of you would make great politicians.

Ah yes, the vague accusation. Says nothing really, and isn't specific enough to upset any particular person or group. A tool of the politician in its own right.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
And here is another subject where people look at everything emotionally instead of rationally.

This is one of the few subjects I look at emotionally instead of rationally. I've seen friends DIE because of drugs. Good people, who had everything in the world going for them, dragged down by drugs.

Drug dealers who's customer's die should be charged with murder, and sentenced to death. Deterence works.

Yeah, me and about 6-8 of my friends started playing around with speed about a year out of high school. Needless to say, we were hopelessly addicted 6 months later. About half of us kicked it eventually and the other half are still users today (4 years later). These were middle class kids from the suburbs that could have gone to college and been just like you and me, and now they're fvcking bums doing whatever they can to get their fix.

It's amazing how quick the addiction sneaks up on you. Once a month becomes once a week becomes once a day. Anyone that wants to leagalize hard drugs needs to get acquainted with some people who have had their lives destroyed by them.

Exact same thing happened to my friends. If I could find the drug dealer who was selling them the drugs, I'd kill him today; no trial, no jury, just a bullet in the head. Drug dealers are some of the worst people on earth, they sell souls for money.

bah...by that notion you should go put a bullet in the heads of the ceo's of tobacco and alcohol companies as well...

EDIT: so you would put a bullet in the head of someone who sells a little bit of weed to make his smoke free? since he is, after all, a soul selling, satanistic drug dealer...nice to see how you hate drugs and love murder...

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
And here is another subject where people look at everything emotionally instead of rationally.

This is one of the few subjects I look at emotionally instead of rationally. I've seen friends DIE because of drugs. Good people, who had everything in the world going for them, dragged down by drugs.

Drug dealers who's customer's die should be charged with murder, and sentenced to death. Deterence works.

Yeah, me and about 6-8 of my friends started playing around with speed about a year out of high school. Needless to say, we were hopelessly addicted 6 months later. About half of us kicked it eventually and the other half are still users today (4 years later). These were middle class kids from the suburbs that could have gone to college and been just like you and me, and now they're fvcking bums doing whatever they can to get their fix.

It's amazing how quick the addiction sneaks up on you. Once a month becomes once a week becomes once a day. Anyone that wants to leagalize hard drugs needs to get acquainted with some people who have had their lives destroyed by them.

Exact same thing happened to my friends. If I could find the drug dealer who was selling them the drugs, I'd kill him today; no trial, no jury, just a bullet in the head. Drug dealers are some of the worst people on earth, they sell souls for money.

bah...by that notion you should go put a bullet in the heads of the ceo's of tobacco and alcohol companies as well...

EDIT: so you would put a bullet in the head of someone who sells a little bit of weed to make his smoke free? since he is, after all, a soul selling, satanistic drug dealer...nice to see how you hate drugs and love murder...

A drug dealer is a drug dealer is a drug dealer. They could be selling illegal prescription drugs, they're still a fvcking drug dealer that ruins lives.

I don't love murder, but I feel it is justified in the case of drug dealers.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
And here is another subject where people look at everything emotionally instead of rationally.

This is one of the few subjects I look at emotionally instead of rationally. I've seen friends DIE because of drugs. Good people, who had everything in the world going for them, dragged down by drugs.

Drug dealers who's customer's die should be charged with murder, and sentenced to death. Deterence works.

Yeah, me and about 6-8 of my friends started playing around with speed about a year out of high school. Needless to say, we were hopelessly addicted 6 months later. About half of us kicked it eventually and the other half are still users today (4 years later). These were middle class kids from the suburbs that could have gone to college and been just like you and me, and now they're fvcking bums doing whatever they can to get their fix.

It's amazing how quick the addiction sneaks up on you. Once a month becomes once a week becomes once a day. Anyone that wants to leagalize hard drugs needs to get acquainted with some people who have had their lives destroyed by them.

Exact same thing happened to my friends. If I could find the drug dealer who was selling them the drugs, I'd kill him today; no trial, no jury, just a bullet in the head. Drug dealers are some of the worst people on earth, they sell souls for money.

bah...by that notion you should go put a bullet in the heads of the ceo's of tobacco and alcohol companies as well...

EDIT: so you would put a bullet in the head of someone who sells a little bit of weed to make his smoke free? since he is, after all, a soul selling, satanistic drug dealer...nice to see how you hate drugs and love murder...

A drug dealer is a drug dealer is a drug dealer. They could be selling illegal prescription drugs, they're still a fvcking drug dealer that ruins lives.

I don't love murder, but I feel it is justified in the case of drug dealers.

You know... the guy makes a good point about the tobacco executives.

So when are you going to put a slug in the head of the head of Lorillard?